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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2018 8:17:28 GMT -5
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Post by rberman on Nov 25, 2018 9:23:46 GMT -5
Normally, I detest these slide show "listicles" which mainly exist to outrage people enough to come read the list and get advertising exposure for the hosting web site. However, this particular list is actually baserd on Metacritic scores and thus is much more objective than the usual listicle. Also, I mostly agree (for the ones that I have seen) that these are the bad super-hero movies, except that I liked Thor 1 and (gasp) Watchmen. Here is the list (in order of increasing badness) so you don't have to read the article: Spider-Man 3 (Maguire) X-Men: The Last Stand (3) Thor 1 Iron Man 2 Watchmen Man of Steel Thor: The Dark World (2) Hulk (Bana) The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Garfield) X-Men: Apocalypse Blade 2 Batman Forever (Kilmer) Constantine Blade Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Superman 3 Supergirl Daredevil Suicide Squad X-Men Origins: Wolverine Fantastic Four (Chris Evans, Ioan Gruffudd) Green Lantern Blade: Trinity Red Sonja Ghost Rider Elektra Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance Jonah Hex (I did not realize this movie was ever made) The Punisher (Thomas Jane) Punisher: War Zone (Ray Stevenson) Howard the Duck Batman and Robin (Clooney) Fantastic Four (Michael B. Jordan) Catwoman Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2018 9:26:27 GMT -5
I'm all in on most of these movies and I consider Watchmen to be a classic. As for worst? I think Superman 3 takes the prize.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 25, 2018 9:45:45 GMT -5
Thing about this list is that most of these movies either occurred before the current heyday of comic book movies or were not made as part of a cohesive universe. It's mostly crappy 80's versions of superheroes, poor efforts from Fox just milking the properties without having any real plan, smaller budget films (like the Blade trilogy, of which I happen to like the first two, or Constantine, which I also happen to like), and a lot of output from DC because they can't get out of their own way.
Conversely, the highest MCU movie on this list is #30, and there are only 3 MCU movies on the list as a whole, all way down at the bottom. By and large, the folks in charge of the MCU know what they are doing, although, truth be told, I have been less thrilled with most of their recent offerings. GotG 2 was not great, Dr. Strange was passable, Thor: Ragnarok was a mish-mashed mess, but Black Panther and Infinity War were both pretty good movies, so they still can get the job done when they want to.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 25, 2018 11:17:37 GMT -5
I can't comment on movies I haven't seen. Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance is definitely the worst of those remaining, so awful I couldn't stay with it for longer than fifteen minutes.
Cei-U! I summon the stygian stinker!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 12:54:37 GMT -5
20 to 11
Man of Steel Fantastic Four (Chris Evans, Ioan Gruffudd) The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Garfield) Daredevil Suicide Squad X-Men Origins: Wolverine Blade: Trinity Red Sonja Ghost Rider Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
10 to 1
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace Howard the Duck Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Batman Forever (Kilmer) Batman and Robin (Clooney) Green Lantern Superman 3 Fantastic Four (Michael B. Jordan) Catwoman Punisher: War Zone (Ray Stevenson)
The ones in BOLD are the worst Superhero Movies ever made, especially Punisher the War Zone and I saw this movie and I wanted to walk out on my friends and they all loved it and I could not leave -- it was that painful.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 25, 2018 13:00:23 GMT -5
I'm all in on most of these movies and I consider Watchmen to be a classic. As for worst? I think Superman 3 takes the prize. In the same way that Plan Nine From Outer Space is a classic.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2018 15:54:15 GMT -5
Slam Slam Slam, Watchmen was a faithful telling of the 12 issue saga only with a better ending.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 25, 2018 17:45:22 GMT -5
Slam Slam Slam, Watchmen was a faithful telling of the 12 issue saga only with a better ending. Zack Snyder is a one-trick pony and that trick was never particularly interesting. I don't need a "faithful" telling (though I'd dispute that it is) because I can re-read Watchmen. If I am going to watch an adaptation I want it to give me something interesting. And at least one of the problems is that Watchmen is intimately tied to its format. There is simply no way that you can present Watchmen #5 onscreen. It can't be done. So rather than give me a superficial adaptation that pretends to be faithful, either do something interesting or don't do it at all.
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 25, 2018 22:59:26 GMT -5
I can't understand the hate Punisher: War Zone gets. It's two hours of The Punisher doing exactly what The Punisher does - killing an insane number of bad guys to work off the frustration that he can't kill them any faster or in larger numbers. Stevenson nails the determined, single-minded rage put to good use that characterizes Frank Castle; Dominic West plays Jigsaw as he's usually been presented in the comics - over-the-top one moment to chillingly real the next; Loony Bin Jim was a new addition to the storyline but certainly, the coked up sociopath with a death wish is exactly the type of adversary that works best against The Punisher. Tossing in a scene where Castle kills an undercover agent nicely highlighted a key aspect of the character - the more he deteriorates; the more focused he gets. I can certainly find a few faults with the film - The Punisher suspending himself upside-down from a chandelier as seemingly the best vantage point from which to kill a roomful of guys with guns is perhaps the most noticeable - but overall, it took an approach to the character which embraced who he is rather than change things for the sake of change like most of the other "Worst Superhero" films on this list. In other words, where is War Zone's equivalent to getting Superman drunk and surly in Superman III, giving Jonah Hex magic powers in his film, putting nipples on the Bat costumes in Schumaker's messes?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 8:02:59 GMT -5
Normally, I detest these slide show "listicles" which mainly exist to outrage people enough to come read the list and get advertising exposure for the hosting web site. However, this particular list is actually baserd on Metacritic scores and thus is much more objective than the usual listicle. Also, I mostly agree (for the ones that I have seen) that these are the bad super-hero movies, except that I liked Thor 1 and (gasp) Watchmen. Here is the list (in order of increasing badness) so you don't have to read the article: Spider-Man 3 (Maguire) X-Men: The Last Stand (3) Thor 1 Iron Man 2 Watchmen Man of Steel Thor: The Dark World (2) Hulk (Bana) The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Garfield) X-Men: Apocalypse Blade 2 Batman Forever (Kilmer) Constantine Blade Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Superman 3 Supergirl Daredevil Suicide Squad X-Men Origins: Wolverine Fantastic Four (Chris Evans, Ioan Gruffudd) Green Lantern Blade: Trinity Red Sonja Ghost Rider Elektra Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance Jonah Hex (I did not realize this movie was ever made) The Punisher (Thomas Jane) Punisher: War Zone (Ray Stevenson) Howard the Duck Batman and Robin (Clooney) Fantastic Four (Michael B. Jordan) Catwoman Superman IV: The Quest for Peace Any worst lst which doesn't include Justice League is automatically very suspect
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Post by rberman on Nov 27, 2018 8:13:38 GMT -5
Normally, I detest these slide show "listicles" which mainly exist to outrage people enough to come read the list and get advertising exposure for the hosting web site. However, this particular list is actually baserd on Metacritic scores and thus is much more objective than the usual listicle. Also, I mostly agree (for the ones that I have seen) that these are the bad super-hero movies, except that I liked Thor 1 and (gasp) Watchmen. Here is the list (in order of increasing badness) so you don't have to read the article: Spider-Man 3 (Maguire) X-Men: The Last Stand (3) Thor 1 Iron Man 2 Watchmen Man of Steel Thor: The Dark World (2) Hulk (Bana) The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Garfield) X-Men: Apocalypse Blade 2 Batman Forever (Kilmer) Constantine Blade Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Superman 3 Supergirl Daredevil Suicide Squad X-Men Origins: Wolverine Fantastic Four (Chris Evans, Ioan Gruffudd) Green Lantern Blade: Trinity Red Sonja Ghost Rider Elektra Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance Jonah Hex (I did not realize this movie was ever made) The Punisher (Thomas Jane) Punisher: War Zone (Ray Stevenson) Howard the Duck Batman and Robin (Clooney) Fantastic Four (Michael B. Jordan) Catwoman Superman IV: The Quest for Peace Any worst lst which doesn't include Justice League is automatically very suspect Yes, Justice League had a metacritic score of 45, so it should have been tied with Blade and FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer. I wonder why it was omitted.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 27, 2018 11:34:11 GMT -5
While I am seldom excited by this new age of superhero films, and while quite a few made decisions that bothered me, the fact is that I find pretty much any superhero film watchable, even including the Roger Corman Fantastic Four film. Each did something right that made the experience worthwhile, even in spite of numerous wrong turns along the way.
With all that being said, the ONLY superhero film that I doubt I would ever sit through again is Supergirl (1984) because I can't think of a single thing the film did right.
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Post by rberman on Nov 27, 2018 22:37:56 GMT -5
I just saw the first two Christopher Reeve movies again in the last week. It's been many years since the last time, so I was watching them with new eyes. Boy, what a contrast. The first one is still majestic, like a comic book-themed Lawrence of Arabia. Sweeping shots of scenic vistas with soaring music. It really takes its time getting him to Metropolis. By the time he meets Lex Luthor, the movie is mostly over. The ending still doesn't really make sense-- he turned back time to undo the effects of the second missile without actually stopping the second missile, or something? But it's still mostly great. Reeve does a perfect Cary Grant impersonation, capturing both pratfalls and nobility.
Superman II has not aged well. Or perhaps I am the one who has aged. There's too much slapstick. He spends way too little time exploring being human. The fight scene in Metropolis is interminable, as is the villains' flight to the North Pole. Lex Luthor seems more like a smarmy used car salesman than a supergenius. Too many non-canonical powers appearing from nowhere: Telekinesis rays, illusory duplicates (one which shatters!), the infamous cellophane "S" symbol, amnesia kiss, and teleportation. It was funny that they thought Earth was called "Houston," but then they managed to somehow land in "East Houston, Idaho." Kidder was dressed in oddly billowy dresses for a tough-as-nails reporter. Superman's petty revenge on the trucker bully. Dialogue holes -- when he gets beat up in the diner, he says he should have listened to "them." Who's "them?" Probably something his parents said in a deleted scene, and then Brando's scene couldn't be used. I'm aware of the troubled production, and it may be that this is a better movie than might be expected out of the mess behind the scenes, and Terrence Stamp and Reeve are both great, but overall it was much more disappointing today than it was in the 80s when I watched it many times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 23:07:37 GMT -5
Your thoughts on Superman II ... is pretty well sums up the silliness of that film that I forgot and yet I did liked that movie rberman and that alone you point out the obvious. And, for you shaxper, I did find Helen Slater almost a near perfection of Supergirl and I did like that movie and what you said it was bad and I can see why. I had a very hard time enjoying Roger Corman's Fantastic Four and I did watch it a couple of times and I just felt it was not that cracked up to be. Most of the movies on that list are so bad it's laughable. Right now, I pretty much lost faith in these movies and at my age -- my days of watching them are pretty much done with.
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