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Post by String on Dec 8, 2018 10:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 8, 2018 11:00:26 GMT -5
I think a modern Shang-Chi would make an amazing film.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 12:35:55 GMT -5
One of my favorite Marvel characters.
I wanted a Shang-Chi series from Netflix and I'd still love a limited series on Disney Plus, but movie works as well. It'll be interesting to see how and if they plant seeds for the project as Phase 4 moves along.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 13:56:58 GMT -5
It'd be great to see characters of lesser renown get some movies. Now, can we please have films for Nova and Man-Thing?  |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 8, 2018 14:22:46 GMT -5
It'd be great to see characters of lesser renown get some movies. Now, can we please have films for Nova and Man-Thing? Well...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 14:35:50 GMT -5
I'd been trying to forget that one.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 14:46:43 GMT -5
It's already posed to be a PR disaster for Marvel in the Chinese market. I don't think Marvel expected the backlash, but they forgot (or chose to ingore) the fact that Fu Manchu represents a history of anti-Chinese racism and yellow peril stereotypes that will not be accepted in the Chinese market and Shang's ties to Fu Manchu have already marked the production as racist propaganda in the eyes of the Chines market. Since the Chinese market is the second biggest market for Marvel studios, I expect either radical changes to the film or abandoning the film in production hell before all is said and done. These multi-hundred million dollar productions need revenue from the Chinese market to succeed in the current marketplace and I don't see Marvel studios risking that market for 1 film or 1 character.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 19:07:49 GMT -5
I think a modern Shang-Chi would make an amazing film. So do I, it would be a great film to watch ... |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 8, 2018 19:10:30 GMT -5
It's already posed to be a PR disaster for Marvel in the Chinese market. I don't think Marvel expected the backlash, but they forgot (or chose to ingore) the fact that Fu Manchu represents a history of anti-Chinese racism and yellow peril stereotypes that will not be accepted in the Chinese market and Shang's ties to Fu Manchu have already marked the production as racist propaganda in the eyes of the Chines market. Since the Chinese market is the second biggest market for Marvel studios, I expect either radical changes to the film or abandoning the film in production hell before all is said and done. These multi-hundred million dollar productions need revenue from the Chinese market to succeed in the current marketplace and I don't see Marvel studios risking that market for 1 film or 1 character. -M That's precisely why they stated it would be a modernization, and I don't think it's that difficult either. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 8, 2018 22:33:04 GMT -5
I notice the article doesn't mention Fu Manchu by name, only as The Devil Doctor. This suggests they may dump the Sax Rohmer connection altogether and create a new character without all the "yellow peril" baggage to be Shang's evil father. Rename Nayland-Smith and Petrie and you're good to go.
Cei-U!
That's what I'd do anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 22:38:01 GMT -5
It's already posed to be a PR disaster for Marvel in the Chinese market. I don't think Marvel expected the backlash, but they forgot (or chose to ingore) the fact that Fu Manchu represents a history of anti-Chinese racism and yellow peril stereotypes that will not be accepted in the Chinese market and Shang's ties to Fu Manchu have already marked the production as racist propaganda in the eyes of the Chines market. Since the Chinese market is the second biggest market for Marvel studios, I expect either radical changes to the film or abandoning the film in production hell before all is said and done. These multi-hundred million dollar productions need revenue from the Chinese market to succeed in the current marketplace and I don't see Marvel studios risking that market for 1 film or 1 character. -M That's precisely why they stated it would be a modernization, and I don't think it's that difficult either. You can try to sanitize the Fu Manchu connections, but it's not going to work. The Chinese market is already well aware of the roots of Shang Chi and want nothing to do with the film. Just announcing the film was in production cost Marvel Studios a PR hit in the Chinese market. There already been anti-Marvel editorials because of it in some of the English language newspapers in Hong Kong and elsewhere (supposedly the Chinese language papers are even harder on Marvel but I haven't seen those, I have seen some of the stuff in the English language papers linked at Bleeding Cool and elsewhere). Modernizing it isn't going to make a damn bit of difference, the blueprint is already there and already causing Marvel problems. They are not going to be able to white wash it away by modernizing Fu Manchu into something else. It would be seen as pouring salt in wound in some quarters. -M |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 9, 2018 8:09:59 GMT -5
While I would rather have the real Shang-Chi on the silver screen, I guess a “modernization” would make sense for marketing’s sake.
If Marvel wants its film to overcome the unavoidable pre-emptive outrage 2.0, it could replace the entire “yellow peril” aspect by apolitical criminal activities. Fu Manchu can be replaced by a new modern crime lord, and since Shang-Chi is only half Chinese, why not make his mom the Chinese parent? His dad could be a western villain named Furman Chew* or something. We’d then have a Chinese hero defeating a western bad guy, something Chinese audiences can hardly object to.
The two important things IMO, considering that I won’t get the “real” Shang-Chi, is that the character be true to his comic counterpart as far as philosophical development is concerned and that they get a real martial artist to play the role instead of an actor with three weeks of training. Someone like a younger Donnie Yen, say.
*This is obviously not serious. I’d avoid any reference to Fu Manchu and Sax Rohmer.
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Post by String on Dec 9, 2018 12:15:47 GMT -5
That's precisely why they stated it would be a modernization, and I don't think it's that difficult either. You can try to sanitize the Fu Manchu connections, but it's not going to work. The Chinese market is already well aware of the roots of Shang Chi and want nothing to do with the film. Just announcing the film was in production cost Marvel Studios a PR hit in the Chinese market. There already been anti-Marvel editorials because of it in some of the English language newspapers in Hong Kong and elsewhere (supposedly the Chinese language papers are even harder on Marvel but I haven't seen those, I have seen some of the stuff in the English language papers linked at Bleeding Cool and elsewhere). Modernizing it isn't going to make a damn bit of difference, the blueprint is already there and already causing Marvel problems. They are not going to be able to white wash it away by modernizing Fu Manchu into something else. It would be seen as pouring salt in wound in some quarters. -M Well, I'm not going to single out Marvel solely as the reason why there hasn't been a 'well-rounded' positive portrayal of a Chinese industrialist or even citizen before now in Hollywood. Nor would I envy their attempts to create such a portrayal against such long-time racial caricatures as they are seemingly facing here. However, I do question the comment over why, of all the Asian characters that Marvel displays, did they choose to go with Shang first? What other Marvel Asian character/hero could they use that wouldn't face possible similar criticisms of racism? |
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 9, 2018 14:26:59 GMT -5
Done right, Sunfire could potentially work as a standalone movie. Or is he tied up with the X-Men rights?
Cei-U!
I summon the sizzling samurai!
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Post by Randle-El on Dec 9, 2018 21:34:10 GMT -5
Setting aside the Fu Manchu associations, a Shang Chi film is still going to be a hard sell in China for the same reason Taco Bell was a hard sell (that failed) in Mexico. Not too hard to see the math here.
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