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Post by chaykinstevens on Mar 1, 2019 15:56:06 GMT -5
It’s structured as a series of vignettes, giving first person accounts of the Nukeface incident from various denizens of Houma, Louisiana, including a cop, a kid, and all the named characters relevant to the story. I think this issue was Moore's homage to Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon.
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Post by rberman on Mar 1, 2019 17:22:21 GMT -5
It’s structured as a series of vignettes, giving first person accounts of the Nukeface incident from various denizens of Houma, Louisiana, including a cop, a kid, and all the named characters relevant to the story. I think this issue was Moore's homage to Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon. Hm. I see the connection in terms of multiple narrators, but Kurosawa's point was that the narratives don't match because narrators are inherently unreliable, whereas the narrators in this story supplement each other rather than contradicting. I think it was just Moore's way of showing the same story without an omniscient narrator.
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Post by rberman on Mar 1, 2019 17:25:12 GMT -5
Swamp Thing #38 “Still Waters” (July 1985)Creative Team: Writing by Alan Moore. Pencils by Stan Woch. Ink by John Totleben. The Story: A lake in Rosewood, Illinois is infested with aquatic punk vampires who feed on Nicky, a swimming teen; his friends are afraid to rescue him. The vampires swim deep down to their bloated queen in a submerged town, allowing her to feed off of them to further her gestation of a new brood of blood-suckers. That night Howard, one of the teens marshals the courage to return for Nicky, who greets him with a vampire attack. Against Abby’s wishes, Swamp Thing abandons his body in Louisiana and grows a new one in Illinois. Constantine meets him there and convinces him to venture into the lake, where a thousand vampire eggs are hatching… My Two Cents: “Still waters run deep” is the saying from which the title comes. This issue is of course a sequel to issue #3, in which Rosewood’s vampire infestation was solved by a determined dad who sacrificed himself and his teen son to explode a nearby dam, flooding the town below it. Moore finally makes the “Your husband’s a vegetable” double entendre, connecting comatose Matt Cable with Swamp Thing. Notice how the picture of the plant contains dialogue taking place elsewhere, yet germane to the image at hand? This overlapping/ironic use of text was a hallmark of Moore in this era. Watchmen, which Moore was working on at the same time as this story, overflows with it. Moore uses another horror technique, speaking in first person from the villain’s perspective. The mating of two vampires, from their perspective, is a sacred and beautiful moment rather than a terrible moment which presages human suffering to come. The vampires thrive in the underwater environment because oxygen harms them, OK. Did they always spawn like fish, or is this a new adaptation? Stan Woch’s pencils blend very well with the Bissette/Totleben style; I hardly notice a difference.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Mar 1, 2019 17:32:15 GMT -5
Steve Woch’s pencils blend very well with the Bissette/Totleben style; I hardly notice a difference. I think you mean Stan Woch.
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Post by rberman on Mar 1, 2019 18:29:13 GMT -5
Steve Woch’s pencils blend very well with the Bissette/Totleben style; I hardly notice a difference. I think you mean Stan Woch. I did indeed! I'm not familiar with his other work, if any.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 1, 2019 18:44:07 GMT -5
I think you mean Stan Woch. I did indeed! I'm not familiar with his other work, if any. Probably best known for working on Eclipse's Airboy. Also pencilled Sandman #29 the "Thermidor" story.
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Post by MDG on Mar 1, 2019 20:29:17 GMT -5
I did indeed! I'm not familiar with his other work, if any. Probably best known for working on Eclipse's Airboy. Also pencilled Sandman #29 the "Thermidor" story. He was also another Kubert School graduate.
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Post by rberman on Mar 1, 2019 21:28:33 GMT -5
Probably best known for working on Eclipse's Airboy. Also pencilled Sandman #29 the "Thermidor" story. He was also another Kubert School graduate. <iframe width="24.460000000000036" height="5.0800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 24.460000000000036px; height: 5.0800000000000125px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_16955827" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.460000000000036" height="5.0800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 24.46px; height: 5.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1163px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_48821397" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.460000000000036" height="5.0800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 24.46px; height: 5.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 193px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_7312241" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.460000000000036" height="5.0800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 24.46px; height: 5.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1163px; top: 193px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_67228123" scrolling="no"></iframe> That explains why he blended in so well with the other guys.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 2, 2019 1:19:43 GMT -5
Woch worked a bit on the superhero books, too.
Here's the rundown of Kurbert grads working, around this time:
Stephen Bissette John Totleben Rick Veitch Tim Truman Tom Mandrake Jan Duursema Tom Yeates
Karl Kesel also attended with one of the early classes, as did Dave Dorman, though I know Dorman only attended one year, having spoken to him about the school.
Around 1980, the students were the artists on the Winnie Winkle comic strip and they also had at least one feature comic at DC. Kubert's connections got them wok at DC, with the early grads, though that wasn't necessarily an in-road in laters years. The school was very good about teaching students about professionalism and hitting deadlines, which gave a lot of alumni a leg up over the competition.
Mike Chen was another ealy graduate who did a little work at DC; but, ended up on the faculty there, for years. I had my interview with him, when I applied to the school, in 1992, when I was leaving the Navy
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Post by rberman on Mar 2, 2019 8:16:38 GMT -5
Swamp Thing #39 “Fish Story” (August 1985)Creative Team: Writing by Alan Moore. Pencils by Stephen Bissette. Ink by John Totleben. The Story: On the surface of the lake, Nicky holds his playmate Howie captive in anticipation of a coming vampiric feast. The parents of Rosewood bicker and prepare their firearms to defend against a threat they do not understand. Under the lake, the vampires lead Swamp Thing to the submerged football stadium where a thousand vampire eggs are hatching; the emerging creatures each each other in a Darwinian frenzy until one huge survivor remains. It tears Swamp Thing into pieces, then swims to the surface to menace Howie and the assembled parents. Swamp Thing merges with The Green and uses the power of plant life to open a huge rent in the hillside that separates sunken Rosewood from a nearby river. The sudden oxygen exposure catches the vampires unprepared; they all perish. Constantine congratulates Swamp Thing on the rapidity with which he can now reconstitute his form. Next assignment: Kennescook, Maine. My Two Cents: It’s a tale of two communities. As the humans rally to fend off the vampires, so too the vampires congregate to defend their undersea habitat against Swamp Thing’s incursion. In the process, Moore questions whether "I was doing it for my children" is really an acceptable defense for doing things that should not be done at all. The geography of this story can’t be squared with the previous Rosewood story, in which the town lay in the shadow of a dam. That would imply a river flowing from the dam, right? But in this iteration, the town is at the top of a tall hill, with the river far below, and there’s no hill above the town into which the dam could have been built. Oh well. This was also the month that Swamp Thing had an adventure with Superman in DC Comics Presents #85, but it’s not included in my trade paperback. In that story (by Moore, with pencils by Rick Veitch), a meteorite infects Superman with a fungus that causes madness and eventually death. Swamp Thing extracts the virus from Superman, who is insane at the time and thus doesn't know that Swamp Thing helped him.
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Post by rberman on Mar 2, 2019 18:39:41 GMT -5
Swamp Thing #40 “The Curse” (September 1985)Creative Team: Writing by Alan Moore. Pencils by Stephen Bissette. Ink by John Totleben. The Story: In Kennescook, Maine, beleaguered housewife Phoebe (=”bright”) buys menstrual pads and groceries, passes an adult bookstore that sells domination fantasies to men, and trudges home. Her husband Roy (=”king”) isn’t violent, but he’s quite obnoxious and treats her like a servant, not a partner. Their home is built upon an old Indian menstruation lodge where women were confined during their periods of flow. The generations of female resentment have congealed into a lycanthropic curse that consumes Phoebe. She transforms into a werewolf and chases her husband. In the Louisiana swamp, Abby apologizes for being possessive two issues ago when she tried to guilt Swamp Thing away from his trip to Illinois with Constantine. Swamp Thing travels to Kennescook, arriving just in time to see Phoebe-werewolf closing in on her defenseless husband. She overpowers Swamp Thing but spares Roy, taking her rage out on items surrounding her home. Then she attacks the bridal boutique (Based on her experience of marriage as a way that men dominate women) and the XXX store (another bastion of male power). But she can’t change the dynamic of men and women in the world. Frustrated and hopeless, she flings herself upon a display of kitchen knives in the grocery store and dies. Swamp Thing shambles away, once again an observer rather than a protagonist in a story which has now ended. Constantine is there with his next “mission.” No thanks, says Swampy; I’m going back to Louisiana. Fine, that was the next mission anyway. My Two Cents: “To the woman he said, ‘I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.’” (Genesis 3:16) This curse spoken from God to Eve upon the occasion of sin entering the world speak of the frustration of any hope of domestic bliss and idyllic parenting. Moore takes his writing to the next level in this story. “The Curse” is lycanthropy, but also the stigma attached to menstruation’s inconvenient discharges and odors in a world that expects women to be pristine as an alabaster by Michaelangelo. And more generally still all the big and little ways that men mistreat women because they can. “He shall rule over you.” Moore weaves these themes together seamlessly, blood stains becoming a lupine rictus, images and captions overlapping in a cascade of double and triple entendres. He surely deserves credit for the brilliant writing that ties it all together. Yet he did have some thematic help. Bissette recalls: Jim Shooter (the Marvel editor-in-chief in question) discussed this claim on his blog: Abby and Swamp Thing’s gentle relationship seems like a counterpoint to the story of Phoebe and Roy. But it’s an idyllic fantasy paradise of a world without house payments or grocery bills or kids (and apparently free of mosquitos as well… have you been to a Louisiana bog?) that need to get to school or alarm clocks. And Moore swiftly runs out of things for Abby and Swampy to do in their Eden-swamp; hence this new story arc that takes Swampy constantly away from Abby, because their story of coming together is done, and as in a soap opera, all that can be left now is their story of coming apart. But that hasn’t started quite yet.
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Post by rberman on Mar 3, 2019 7:55:10 GMT -5
Swamp Thing #41 “Southern Change” (October 1985)Creative Team: Writing by Alan Moore. Pencils by Stephen Bissette. Ink by Alfredo Alcala. The Story: On an antebellum plantation, a tryst between the lady of the house and a male slave is discovered, and the slave is flayed. We only hear the scene in dialogue captions displayed over the empty plantation house in present day. A television crew comes to shoot a high budget drama on location at the old plantation house. Billy, the cocaine-addicted black man playing the slave, is embittered toward whites. Angela, playing the lady of the house, is a racist harboring a secret attraction to Billy. Richard, playing the plantation owner, fancies himself racially “woke” but really just wants to look good. These imperfect people get gradually possessed by the ghosts of this racially charged plantation and begin to re-enact the old scenes instead of the script of their TV show. The extras playing slaves get caught up by the spirits as well, practicing voodoo rituals around bonfires. When Richard catches Billy snuggling with Angela, he takes the black man to the basement to re-enact the antebellum climax… Covers that Lie: It’s more of a thematic cover really, just intending to say “Voodoo is in this story.” At no point does anyone make a voodoo doll of Swamp Thing. Nice painting though! My Two Cents: This story steeps not only in the horrors of antebellum chattel slavery but also in Yoruba spiritism carried from Nigeria to Haiti to Louisiana by the slave trade. Moore marks the passage of days in the story by holidays in the Voodoo calendar, and by traditions like surrounding a cemetery with a protective line of salt. Moore is an avid reader and knew more about Louisiana culture than most Americans by the time he wrote this story. Swamp Thing and Abby’s doomed relationship is beginning to fray as the differences between them hit home. It’s very similar to what Moore was writing at the same time between Laurie and Doctor Manhattan in Watchmen: the attempt at romance with a man who’s losing his humanity every day. Abby is secretly repulsed to see Swamp Thing press a dead bird into his trunk, and she frets that his body is just a sock puppet for a consciousness with interests elsewhere which she can’t share or comprehend. It’s the sort of thing that alienates lovers.
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Post by rberman on Mar 3, 2019 22:17:32 GMT -5
Swamp Thing #42 “Strange Fruit” (November 1985)Creative Team: Writing by Alan Moore. Pencils by Stephen Bissette. Ink by John Totleben. The Story: Walking through the surreal voodoo campfire area, Abby enters the plantation house where Richard, possessed by the spirit of the antebellum slaveholder, has just flayed Billy the black actor. Abby tries to intervene and gets stabbed in the gut for her trouble. Psych! A few pages later, we see it’s just a stage blade with a retractable blade, which is a cheat; that’s definitely not what we’re shown on the page depicted below. For one thing, stage blades have handles longer than the blade. Swamp Thing, having survived a shotgun blast from Richard, determines that the best way to deal with the haunted plantation house (which is full of possessed humans, mind you) is to burn it down. During all this mess, a graveyard’s worth of zombies arose from their graves and wandered around the plantation. At least one survived and wandered into town, where he successfully applies for a job in a new “coffin”: the ticket booth of a cinema showing Blaxploitation and horror films. My Two Cents: Up until the last few pages, this was pretty much a straight horror tale without the moral ambiguities the actors were displaying last issue when they were in their right minds. But Moore has a new moral punchline for this issue, raising the uneasy and much-debated moral question of whether slavery-themed films such as “The Legend of Nigger Charley” (1972), “The Soul of Nigger Charley” (1973), “Mandingo” (1975), and “Drum” (1976) were social goods or ills, and in what proportions. I wonder what Moore thought of Quentin Tarantino’s “Django Unchained” which homages such films with its tale of a former slave seeking vengeance. The issue title comes from the 1939 song made famous by Billie Holliday. It concerns lynchings in the South during the Jim Crow era. Today the song is considered a landmark protest song, a harbinger of the Civil Rights Movement yet to come. Early reprints miscolored page 20, missing the detail that Billy has been flayed. Obviously later editions corrected the error. Remember how Abby’s presence in the story of Matt Cable seemed forced? She didn’t really have a reason to go along on all his dangerous missions. Moore has the same problem here. Abby’s presence on the film set is justified by saying that she’s taken a role as an extra. But once zombies are rising and knives are flying and flames are fanning, what’s there for her to do except get hurt? Swamp Thing too is just a bystander until his decisive moment of action, but at least he can’t be hurt.
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Post by rberman on Mar 4, 2019 6:29:22 GMT -5
Swamp Thing #43 “Windfall” (December 1985)Creative Team: Writing by Alan Moore. Pencils by Stan Woch. Ink by Ron Randall. The Story: Houma, Louisiana’s resident drug dealer Chester finds one of Swamp Thing’s tubers in the bayou. He’s tempted to eat it, but afraid. So when his regular customer David comes by, looking for drugs to ease his terminally ill wife Sandy, Chester offers 1/3 of the Swamp tuber. It gives David’s wife a pleasant hallucinogenic experience, and they make love, just before she dies. Later, brutish Milo Flynn comes by Chester’s apartment and bullies a piece of the Swamp tuber for himself. He imagines himself as Swamp Thing and everyone around him as the various antagonists we’ve seen throughout this series, culminating with Arcane. He is terrified, stumbling into traffic, where he is hit by a truck. Chester hears about Sandy and Milo’s experiences and speculates that the tuber is a “cosmic litmus test” that gives good people good trips, and bad people bad trips. (Jason Woodrue's experience suggests he is wrong.) He’s afraid to consume the final portion and find out just what kind of person he is. As he slumps in a chair, he casts a Swamp Thing-shaped shadow on the wall, perhaps a clue of what experience he would have if he consumed the tuber, or maybe just a comment that he lives in the shadow of Swamp Thing. Covers That Lie? The real Swamp Thing only appears in this issue on page 1, when the tuber falls off him as he walks. Close enough, I guess. My Two Cents: A whole fill-in issue about drugs! Paraphenalia is everywhere, including a close-up of Chester and Dave reflected in Chester’s bong as seen below. The centerpiece of the issue is a series of two page spreads in which the left page shows Dave and Sandy’s pleasure, while the right page shows Milo’s terror. I bet some drug users do have a karmic notion about the origin of bad trips. The irony is that Milo’s trip was no less true than Sandy’s. It’s just not as pleasant to walk in Swamp Thing’s shoes. Chester is reading a significant book which Moore and Woch are careful to show us clearly: “The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge.” Its author Carlos Castaneda lived with a Toltec shaman in Mexico from 1960-65 and submitted this book, his personal experience of shamanic practices and psychogenic consumption, as the thesis paper for his Masters degree in Anthropology from the University of California. Its critics have derided it as a work of fiction rather than scholarship. Castaneda’s work will be an influential strand in the Brujeria story which awaits us from Moore. Chester is also reading “The Doors of Perception: Heaven and Hell.” This is Aldous Huxley’s 1954 memoir about mescaline consumption, and the beautiful and terrifying experiences he had under its influence. How nice of Moore to work his bibliography into the story! Stan Lee is seen guffawing while reading this book in his cameo in the 2016 Doctor Strange film, as seen at the 5:00 minute mark in this compilation video of his cameo appearances: “The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers” was Gilbert Shelton’s underground comic book about stoners, published sporadically 1971-1997. Chester is shown living on the third floor of a four story apartment building. Maybe if he lived in NYC, but I doubt Houma, Louisiana has four story apartment buildings. More likely he’d live in a trailer park. This character, or one who looks very similar, first appeared way back in Swamp Thing Vol 1 #2 as an unnamed paramedic watching Swamp Thing get flown away by Arcane in a seaplane. Since Totleben was the creative team member most familiar with the original series, I bet connecting Chester to that bit character was his idea. Chester must be the most benign drug dealer ever to grace fictional pages. His only customer are Bad People Who Deserve To Die, and the Terminally Ill Who Deserve Relief. We don’t get to see him selling cocaine to a disheveled teen who hocked his mom’s wedding ring to get the cash. Or heroin to a pregnant woman who pleads with him not to turn her in or “they’ll take my baby.” When he lists his sins while contemplating eating the tuber, “I’m a drug dealer” doesn’t even make the list.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Mar 4, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -5
I don't remember whether you've mentioned it, but Chester is named after Bryan Talbot's head trip character Chester P. Hackenbush.
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