bran
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Post by bran on Feb 19, 2019 13:37:07 GMT -5
Marvel was actually pretty good steward of Conan and Star Wars back in the 70s. That was Roy Thomas, now there is a committee. The worst thing about committees is not their dumb decisions - it's that there is no singular person responsible. Bunch of schemers, Marvel World 101, Marvel World 102.. please! That type of useless rationalizing won't help - You have a name recognition + interesting and comprehensive Hyboarian world - just go on and make good comics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:07:19 GMT -5
Marvel was actually pretty good steward of Conan and Star Wars back in the 70s. That was Roy Thomas, now there is a committee. The worst thing about committees is not their dumb decisions - it's that there is no singular person responsible. Bunch of schemers, Marvel World 101, Marvel World 102.. please! That type of useless rationalizing won't help - You have a name recognition + interesting and comprehensive Hyboarian world - just go on and make good comics. There is a question of name/brand recognition for Conan though-how many under the age of 30 (i.e. your prime 18-35 demographic that all entertainment companies seek) know Conan as a barbarian and fantasy character and don't immediately think of a red-haired late night talk show host or an anime character first? How many in that demographic have seen or read a Conan story outside of the Momoa movie that was a box office flop. The Dark Horse books were selling under 10K copies (closer to 5K), so weren't reaching a very large (or broad audience). Maybe (though doubtful) the know the Arnie movies, but likely view them as camp comedies that run on cable every so often, not serious adventure films. So what kind of name recognition does Conan really have outside of the hardcore fanbase that has been following it for decades and is aging out of relevance as customers for an entertainment company? As a business, they want to increase awareness of the Conan brand by putting new eyes on it. Crossovers with better known properties are a way to do that. As a Conan fan, I don't like it. Buy when I take off my Howard purist and fan rose colored glasses, I can understand it from a business and marketing perspective. I don't like it, I am not going to buy it, but I see why they might feel the need to do it. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 17:04:06 GMT -5
Besides, is it any worse a cross-over idea than this just announced series...  because Riverale and Hyborian Age go so well together... or this form a year or two ago...  -M |
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bran
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Post by bran on Feb 19, 2019 17:38:47 GMT -5
Marvel was actually pretty good steward of Conan and Star Wars back in the 70s. That was Roy Thomas, now there is a committee. The worst thing about committees is not their dumb decisions - it's that there is no singular person responsible. Bunch of schemers, Marvel World 101, Marvel World 102.. please! That type of useless rationalizing won't help - You have a name recognition + interesting and comprehensive Hyboarian world - just go on and make good comics. There is a question of name/brand recognition for Conan though-how many under the age of 30 (i.e. your prime 18-35 demographic that all entertainment companies seek) know Conan as a barbarian and fantasy character and don't immediately think of a red-haired late night talk show host or an anime character first? How many in that demographic have seen or read a Conan story outside of the Momoa movie that was a box office flop. The Dark Horse books were selling under 10K copies (closer to 5K), so weren't reaching a very large (or broad audience). Maybe (though doubtful) the know the Arnie movies, but likely view them as camp comedies that run on cable every so often, not serious adventure films. So what kind of name recognition does Conan really have outside of the hardcore fanbase that has been following it for decades and is aging out of relevance as customers for an entertainment company? As a business, they want to increase awareness of the Conan brand by putting new eyes on it. Crossovers with better known properties are a way to do that. As a Conan fan, I don't like it. Buy when I take off my Howard purist and fan rose colored glasses, I can understand it from a business and marketing perspective. I don't like it, I am not going to buy it, but I see why they might feel the need to do it. -M
So presumably they want to popularize Conan among children/teenagers? Well in you infantilize Conan then you loose adult audience, they can't have it both ways. All we know they play safe, they want affirmations for their own properties. Conan/Hyborian Age was not created by Marvel or Disney anyway so it can be discarded down the line if it doesn't work. No idea why it would thought, bare-chested guy, a womanizer, a thief, with no super-powers, no costume, no World-saving intentions. Say they succeed, for the sake of the argument - that character will be Conan in name only. It's like Hollywood rose-colored glasses version of [you fill the blank here]. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 17:40:32 GMT -5
And if they fail and the "adult audience" ages out and dies without finding a new audience to replace them wither Conan then?
-M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:03:41 GMT -5
I dunno. . wonder woman / Conan makes a sorta sense to me: Amazon/Barbarian.
and Gail had been doing a good job writing Red Sonia, so I was willing to give it a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:11:13 GMT -5
And if Conan can survive being turned into a kid's cartoon...  without destroying the property by infantilizing it or losing the adult audience, I think any worry about an Avengers cross-over doing it is unfounded and pure hyperbole. -M |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 19, 2019 19:03:41 GMT -5
It's not as if Conan has always been an "adult" property. Weird Tales, while its readers probably skewed a bit older wasn't a pulp that was directly aimed at an adult audience. The Lancer paperbacks brought Conan back to awareness because they were being read in high schools and on college campuses. Conan the Barbarian by Thomas/Smith/Buscema was subject to the comics code (albeit a relaxed code).
At this point the audience for Avengers is probably older than the audience that Conan has had for most of his existence.
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Post by sacorn on Feb 20, 2019 4:17:57 GMT -5
I don't know whether it's good idea or not, but I think I'm going to give it a try. I like Conan, and have 300+ issues between Marvel and Darkhorse, along with getting the two new series now. I kinda like the Avengers, so think it might be a bit of light entertainment.
It won't matter in a couple of years anyway.
I also got the recent Wonder Woman/Conan and Red Sonja/Tarzan minis too and they were decent.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 20, 2019 6:58:44 GMT -5
This old fan to Marvel’s Conan:
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 20, 2019 8:49:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure I get the teeth gnashing. I mean, either the book will be entertaining or it won't. Worst comes to worse and it doesn't entertain you...but it would hardly be the first time there was an uninteresting Conan book out on the stands...or the second...or the third...or even probably the hundredth and yet none of them ruined anything so I doubt this will either.
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Post by String on Feb 21, 2019 22:49:56 GMT -5
Meh, I'm on the fence about it. I really don't see the reasoning behind trying to connect/fit the Hyborian Age itself to the MU. The notion allows for the underscoring of sliding in elements of the MU into that age which seems ridiculous on the surface (such as mutants and cosmic visits).
Avengers No Road Home started last week, it's being done by the same creative team that did Avengers No Surrender, an event that I thoroughly enjoyed. So far, No Road Home is just as good and entertaining. So I'll wait and see how they'll present Conan and his age and go from there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 23:09:20 GMT -5
For those who are interested, Marvel subscriptions is offering a print subscription to Savage Avengers for 40% off cover price. I got the e-mail as I have print subs to Conan and Savage Sword now, but the offer is open to anyone who visits their website and subscribes.
-M
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Post by String on Feb 22, 2019 16:23:02 GMT -5
Good grief. I guess that means the poor security guard in MTU #79 was a descendant of Kulan Gath. It's been almost 10 years since I read it, so details are fuzzy, but the MJ Sonja connection keeps getting mentioned whenever the topic of Conan/Marvel Universe ties is brought up om just about every Conan or comic forum I have ever participated in. MTU 79 is included in the trade collection of that mini too. For me, I'd prefer the Hyborain Age to be its own thing with no connections to Marvel at all, but that's not what Marvel does, just about everything they have ever published original or licensed, with the exception of Star Wars and GI Joe and special imprints (Star Comics, Marvel Select, ICON, EPIC), has been woven into the MU as a whole from the 70s onward. ROM, Shogun Warriors, Transformers, Crystar, Micronauts, ad infinitum...it's just what they do. No one should be surprised by it at this point. -M Is that the mini from '07 by Avon Oeming? I never knew this existed and it was the only one I could find listed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 22:55:14 GMT -5
It's been almost 10 years since I read it, so details are fuzzy, but the MJ Sonja connection keeps getting mentioned whenever the topic of Conan/Marvel Universe ties is brought up om just about every Conan or comic forum I have ever participated in. MTU 79 is included in the trade collection of that mini too. For me, I'd prefer the Hyborain Age to be its own thing with no connections to Marvel at all, but that's not what Marvel does, just about everything they have ever published original or licensed, with the exception of Star Wars and GI Joe and special imprints (Star Comics, Marvel Select, ICON, EPIC), has been woven into the MU as a whole from the 70s onward. ROM, Shogun Warriors, Transformers, Crystar, Micronauts, ad infinitum...it's just what they do. No one should be surprised by it at this point. -M Is that the mini from '07 by Avon Oeming? I never knew this existed and it was the only one I could find listed. Sounds about right. -M |
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