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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 10:29:51 GMT -5
Could be clickbait: cosmicbook.news/disney-shutting-down-marvel-comicsAs a reader, I do have ideas about what I'd prefer. I don't subscribe to the 'theory' that all modern Marvel titles are bad. What, Dan Slott's Silver Surfer is bad? Who knew? And as the "Hunted" story begins (Kraven hunting Spidey's animal-themed opponents), there can still be excitement and awe in comics. I still feel enthusiastic about them. What I would like, though, is for DC and Marvel to re-examine their business model. Yes, I am reading Immortal Hulk and The Amazing Spider-Man, but in all honesty, the "writing for the trade" method means there feels like little incentive to pick up monthly books. Why would I pay £3+ for 6 issues (costing £20+ possibly) when I could wait for the trade and pay £14-15 for a complete story? I would not pay £3+ for an episode of a six-episode mini-series when I could wait for the mini-series' episodes to be collected in one box set? I'm gonna wait for the boxset, right? I don't pretend to know the logistics/semantics, but are there perhaps some readers who might just prefer a graphic novel/trade than 6 issues that are building towards a complete tale for trade?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 2, 2019 10:37:20 GMT -5
I still that that at some point comics are going to end up more like the Japanese model.. with large, cheap to print anthology titles as the first print, then trades.
It's hard to justify $4 for a comic that takes less than 10 minutes to read and is only a bit of a story, it's true. At some point, people are going to give up on trying to flip variant covers to other collectors and things are REALLY going to crash.
I wonder, are the DC giants selling well? I don't really go to Walmart ever... I made a special trip when they first came out and saw no sign of them at my local store, and didn't try again. I'd love to see Marvel try something similar.
I did click on the article.. it is just clickbait... it references a panel where Marvel brass talked about low sales, and then quotes Bryan Hibbs in one of his many rants about the direct market (which are generally correct), but no sort of evidence.
IMO, even if Disney is losing a bit of money on the publishing, it seems like a small advertising price to pay for the mega-movies.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 2, 2019 10:53:58 GMT -5
At this point, I don't think anything is going to save the comic book printing industry, at least not as the Big Two are doing it. I only know of one kid under 18 who reads comics (he's on my daughter's swim team), but he only does it by buying TPBs at Half-Price Books or similar discount outlets; he's never stepped foot inside a traditional comic book shop, and he has no interest in buying monthly issues (he sees me sitting in the stands during their practices, reading individually-bagged floppies, and wonders why I bother with that format). Kids know the characters from the ancillary products, but not the monthly comic books. My own daughter has an entire shelf on her bookcase of Marvel Essentials that I've picked up for her on the cheap, and she's read them all multiple times, but she has never shown the slightest inkling that she wants to read anything new that's being put out by Marvel or DC. However, she rushes out the day that a new Raina Telgemeier graphic novel is released and buys it, then reads it before the end of the evening, and then rereads it 100 times over, on car trips or between events at a swim meet or just sitting in her room. Even myself, with an entire room devoted to my collection, has little interest in what Marvel and DC are putting out today. I only get three monthly books from those publishers, along with one other independent title (Firefly, and I am on the fence about picking up the new BTVS series). Announcements like War of the Realms or the Kraven event don't excite me, and I don't even recognize the Avengers or X-Men any more. At this point, I'm happier reading the backlog of books that I already own and letting the industry die its slow and inexorable death than trying to keep it afloat buying things I don't really care about. Something like Marvel Comics Presents works for me, because I can get self-contained, quick stories (although the Wolverine one that spanned the first two issues has been good, and I don't even like Wolverine) without having to wait another month to get more of a decompressed story that they're planning to put out in a TPB. This should be the future of the industry, with as wildfire2099 put it, with anthology-style books becoming the norm, maybe cheaply printed at first, then collected in a TPB later.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 2, 2019 11:26:18 GMT -5
IF Marvel shuts down, it will be temporary. There is a built-in audience demanding content and offering to pay for it, and many of them aren't going to be satisfied with characters from another company.
One way or another, Disney will eventually decide to sell to this audience again, either directly or by leasing out property licenses. If they dp it directly, they can shut down for a few months, build up demand, and then start up again in a different format, giving them the opportunity to scrap everything and start anew. If Marvel, itself, shuts down, what replaces it can toss out existing contracts and agreements, which would screw over the talent but save them a fortune.
Otherwise, license out to IDW.
In short, I have no doubt there will still be comics starring Marvel characters, but there could be an interruption for a short time, and the comics themselves may be drastically different, both in terms of content and in terms of how they are produced.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 2, 2019 11:45:30 GMT -5
Cosmicbook is a Comicsgate site. That’s really all you need to know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 11:52:59 GMT -5
Cosmicbook is a Comicsgate site. That’s really all you need to know. I have no idea what that even means - or what Comicsgate is. Care to elaborate?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 2, 2019 13:13:09 GMT -5
Cosmicbook is a Comicsgate site. That’s really all you need to know. I have no idea what that even means - or what Comicsgate is. Care to elaborate? It's a pretty ugly alt-right movement made up of comic book fans.
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Post by rberman on Mar 2, 2019 13:51:50 GMT -5
It's been more than thirty years since I was a buyer of monthly books. That format existed for the benfit of advertisers, not because it was the best way to sell stories longer than a single issue could hold. There are already more good old stories to read than I have time for. I have not yet read a page of Sandman, or Sandman Mystery Theater, or any other comic book related to sand or even small particles of gravel, for instance.
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 2, 2019 15:18:41 GMT -5
Marvel toyed with the idea of subbing out the characters in the 90's, hence, we got Heroes Reborn.
The characters won't go away, that's for sure.
If I were Marvel, I'd probably blow it all up and re-start.
Seriously
The continuity practically doesn't exist now and is such an impenetrable mess, how many people can keep track of it ?
Call it Marvel 2.0.
I think way more people would be excited about it than not.
I would.
The only Marvel I'm buying is Fantastic Four.
Cherry pick the best ideas / concepts / whatever, wipe the slate clean, and move forward
or
make a separate imprint going forward without re-telling old stories like Ultimate sort of did.
Make it a whole new universe and tell your own stories but keep them in the new continuity without slavish devotion to the old.
Wolverine Avengers, X-Man, Secret Defender, Patch, ....
Make the character great again and keep the silly crap out.
Wanda and Pietro both Avengers and X-Men ? Let's pick one and stick with that.
What if Dark Phoenix destroyed the planet of aliens ? What then ?
Marvel could own the whole she-bang again if they did this correctly, which I'm pretty sure they won't.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 2, 2019 16:19:54 GMT -5
Cosmicbook is a Comicsgate site. That’s really all you need to know. I have no idea what that even means - or what Comicsgate is. Care to elaborate? As Guardian said it’s an alt-right “fan” group. More particularly it’s a group of sad little incels, misogynists and racists who like to stalk creators on social media and threaten them because they aren’t creating funnybooks “in the right way”. The name is derived from Gamergate, if that means anything to you. See also, the “Sad Puppies” in SF fandom. This article is nothing but baseless speculation from sad little man-children.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Mar 2, 2019 17:34:11 GMT -5
Modern Marvel and DC comics are all but irrelevant I'm afraid, even in the context of functioning as R&D for movies and TV. The vast majority of concepts that Marvel/Disney are mining for movies/TV were created during the peak period of 1961-1991--the period that I consider to be the "real" Marvel Universe that we all think about when we consider the world building, strong characterization, relative lightheartedness, history and continuity that appealed to many of us in the first place (I'm well aware that some would cut Marvel's peak period off long before 1991, but there was still great stuff in the late 80's/early 90's that still "felt" like an extension of what Stan, Jack and Co. started. The exist of Claremont from X-Men and the unfortunate rise of the original Image artists, getting far more creative control than they deserved, is the perfect end to the Marvel era in my mind.)
Nowadays, I just can't get into most modern Marvel/DC comics given that all of that is gone outside of occasional nostalgia gimmicks and other fabrications. Even the stuff that tries to be lighthearted and funny seems forced to me. Most of the books are soulless and the art styles have veered too far into "cinematic" presentations while often forgetting the unique language and nuances that made comics interesting and unique. There really is no surprise that comic sales are dwindling. They no longer do awe, grandeur and epic better than video games, movies and TV. There is so much old/classic material that DOES do this just as well, or better, and that I haven't read, that I'm afraid that I simply don't care if modern Marvel/DC publishing goes away.
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Post by brianf on Mar 2, 2019 17:56:36 GMT -5
Cosmicbook is a Comicsgate site. That’s really all you need to know. I have no idea what that even means - or what Comicsgate is. Care to elaborate?
For easy reference you can Wiki
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 18:14:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the links, people. I hadn't heard the term. I shall read further.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 3, 2019 0:02:40 GMT -5
I'm going to post something that I never thought I'd type, I don't care if it all goes away. Todays comics from the big two are lousy. I read the newer stuff from Marvel Unlimited and it's all boring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 2:11:17 GMT -5
This is the saddest thing that I ever heard and due to recent deaths of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby ... this got to hurt them real bad and just numb when I saw this thread for the first time and total loss of words.
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