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Post by MDG on Mar 13, 2019 10:19:37 GMT -5
I blame the editor, do they even review the books nowadays ? Didio claims that the penis in the Batman book was an error , they didn't catch. I suspect they just try to keep the schedule straight between all the different collaborators and look for large-scale errors like "missing page" or "blurry scan" rather than critiquing the art, dialogue, or plot. An Editor should be critiquing art, dialogue, and plot--that's the job. The "Casualty" label was probably in the script--should've been changed there.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 13, 2019 11:21:47 GMT -5
Or maybe editors are afraid to critique writers like Alan Moore.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Mar 13, 2019 11:56:38 GMT -5
“Why isn’t Black Canary ever mentioned, even casually, in the Green Arrow backup stories?” a letter asks of Detective Comics editor Len Wein in this very issue. And here she is, getting seriously wounded and left for dead while Green Arrow stalks her assailant. That’s progress! I thought her treatment in this episode was annoying, but you left out my favorite scene in the whole story: Canary confronting a bunch of street toughs, and thinks to herself in 40s lingo: "It's a frail, let's bust her," just as one of her opponents says, "It's a chick, let's bust her."
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Post by rberman on Mar 14, 2019 7:19:44 GMT -5
Superman Annual #11 “For the Man Who Has Everything” (August 1985)Creative Team: Alan Moore writing, Dave Gibbons art. Frame Story Part 1: It’s February 29, Superman’s birthday! When Wonder Woman, Batman, and Robin (Jason Todd) come to the Fortress of Solitude to celebrate, they find Superman entranced, with some alien plant glued to his chest. Mongul steps from the shadows to gloat over the success of his attack with “Black Mercy,” which grants its victims an unending fantasy of their happiness. Mongul wants to know which hero would be politest to kill first; Wonder Woman volunteers to be his sparring partner. Superman’s Fantasy: Kal-El lives on Krypton with his actress wife Lyla and his kids Van and Orna. It’s his birthday! His father Jor-El, who became a laughingstock after his prediction of Krypton’s demise failed to come to pass, is a political reactionary seeking allies for his “Old Krypton" movement which seeks to ban immigration and take a hard line on drug trafficking. Kal’s cousin Kara is hospitalized by a politically motivated assault, part of a protest against the use of the Phantom Zone as a prison. Jor-El invented the Phantom Zone projector, and his family feels unsafe with these attacks. As Kal works to protect his family, he realizes it doesn’t matter, because they don’t exist; this is all a dream. Frame Story Part 2: Superman rejects the dream, and the Black Mercy parasite falls off his chest… right onto Batman, who is sucked into a fantasy in which his parents survived, and he married Kathy Kane. The awakened Superman confronts Mongul in a battle that rages across the Fortess of Solitude, with neither gaining the upper hand. Robin uses Mongul’s huge protective gauntlets (which he discarded before his punching match with Wonder Woman) to remove Black Mercy from Batman’s chest. Bagging the parasite in his cape, he follows the trail of carnage until he’s able to drop Black Mercy onto Mongul, who instantly is enthralled in a fantasy of conquering the universe with his Warworld. Superman stores Mongul’s inert body in a corner of the Fortress. Battle won! Epilogue: Batman apologetically gives Superman his birthday present, a unique rose named “Krypton” which has been smooshed during all the fighting. Wonder Woman gives him a gemstone replica of Kandor, thinking that the real Kandor is no longer bottled in the Fortress. This is apparently false, but Superman doesn’t tell her so; he just accepts the gift graciously. My Two Cents: It’s an early effort by Moore for DC but already bears some of his hallmarks. The scene transitions between the “real world” and Superman’s fantasy are marked by parallel dialogue and/or panel layouts. Moore takes a couple of opportunities to wax poetic in the captions describing the wonders within Superman’s man-cave. Mongul was a relatively new evil toughie, having debuted in DC Comics Presents #27 (1980, Len Wein and Jim Starlin). He recurred in issues #28, 36, and 43 and then went silent until this story. His frequent association with a weaponized planetoid, Warworld, makes me think of Joss Whedon’s similar character Ord of the Breakworld, a space gladiator in Astonishing X-Men.
Superman's February 29 birthday is a little joke "explaining" why he's still so young fifty years after he first appeared. As with Frederic in The Pirates of Penzance, he only has a birthday every four years. The overall theme of the story is encapsulated in the title: What gift could anyone give Superman? Sentimental items probably, tokens of friendship rather than items of intrinsic worth. But what are we to make of Mongul’s “gift”? Black Mercy was supposed to give Superman his heart’s delight, which we would think might involve marriage to Lois, peace on Earth, etc. Instead, he has a pretty horrific vision of Krypton on the verge of violent revolution, a disappointed and disappointing father, an endangered family, and himself just a helpless pawn in social forces beyond his control or understanding. I really wonder what Moore is trying to tell us about Superman here. However, having determined that Superman’s fondest dream is life on a dystopian Krypton, Moore runs with it. Superman’s actress wife Lyla Lerrol first appeared in Superman #141 (1960, Jerry Siegel), in which Superman traveled through time and space back to intact Krypton and romanced Lyla until duty called him back to present-day Earth. Also, Moore pulls us out of the dream just when things are getting interesting. Jor-El has thrown in his lot with violent jingoists. Kal’s family has been threatened by militants stirring a “no Phantom Zone” pot. What will our hero do? How can an archeologist fight back? Dunno. There’s no payoff; the dream simply ends. This would have been better as a fully-fledged imaginary story, divorced from the frame of Mongul immobilizing Superman with a dream of his heart’s desire. Then the pages used for Mongul punching Superman and Wonder Woman could have been used to bring the Kryptonian story to a satisfactory conclusion instead of just turning it off with “and then I woke up. Crazy dream!” We've seen this "hugging the imaginary family member as the dream sequence ends" scene in lots of other stories. <iframe width="7" height="10.060000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 7px; height: 10.060000000000002px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 5px; top: 45px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_77131267" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="7" height="10.060000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 7px; height: 10.06px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 297px; top: 45px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_24418218" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="7" height="10.060000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 7px; height: 10.06px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 5px; top: 488px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_54723935" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="7" height="10.060000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 7px; height: 10.06px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 297px; top: 488px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_74026656" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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Post by zaku on Mar 14, 2019 7:38:27 GMT -5
Frame Story Part 1: It’s February 29, Superman’s birthday! Wonder Woman, Batman, and Robin (Jason Todd) come to the Fortress of Solitude to celebrate Superman’s birthday. They find Superman entranced, with some alien plant glued to his chest. Mongul appears to gloat over the success of his attack with “Black Mercy,” which grants its victims an unending fantasy of their happiness. Mongul wants to know which hero would be politest to kill first; Wonder Woman volunteers to be his sparring partner. How strong was considered Earth-1 Wonder Woman? I mean, now she could probably get Superman to break a sweat, but then?
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 14, 2019 8:54:35 GMT -5
In the first 3 appearances of Mongul, he was superior in strength to Superman, beating him easily. That panel with Wonder Woman hurting her hand on Monguls face is quite the exaggeration , though.
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 14, 2019 11:31:21 GMT -5
Omega Men #29 “Brief Lives” (May 1985)
Creative Team: Alan Moore writing. Kevin O’ Neill, artist. The Story: An army of sentient insects descends upon a planet populated by stone giants whose metabolism runs so slowly that the insect civilization runs its entire course and collapses, before the giants even realize they have been invaded. My Two Cents: Omega Men seems to be a sort of DC Guardians of the Galaxy alien super-team. They guard the Vega system, and this is just a “Tales of Vega” back-up feature. As with the Mogo story, this four page vignette is just a brief (heh) look at the possibility of truly alien aliens who have little hope of even being aware of each other’s existence, let alone interacting, even in warfare. Moore reused the story nugget of “beings on vastly different timescales” with his description of The Flash in Swamp Thing #24 as “a man who moves so fast that his life is an endless gallery of statues.” Grant Morrison has several plots involving this feature as well, including "The World" in New X-Men, Earth-Q in All-Star Superman, the junkyard in The Filth, and the rescue of The Spectre in JLA. This story was actually in #26, not #29. Moore also wrote the back-up in #27. He's not in #29 or #30 at all.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 14, 2019 11:44:39 GMT -5
Or maybe editors are afraid to critique writers like Alan Moore. I have my doubts that the editors were afraid of correcting "Casualty" to "Emergency" in the art in a story just because Alan Moore wrote it.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 14, 2019 12:12:21 GMT -5
Superman Annual #11 “For the Man Who Has Everything” (August 1985)Creative Team: Alan Moore writing, Dave Gibbons art. Frame Story Part 1: It’s February 29, Superman’s birthday! When Wonder Woman, Batman, and Robin (Jason Todd) come to the Fortress of Solitude to celebrate, they find Superman entranced, with some alien plant glued to his chest. Mongul steps from the shadows to gloat over the success of his attack with “Black Mercy,” which grants its victims an unending fantasy of their happiness. Mongul wants to know which hero would be politest to kill first; Wonder Woman volunteers to be his sparring partner. Superman’s Fantasy: Kal-El lives on Krypton with his actress wife Lyla and his kids Van and Orna. It’s his birthday! His father Jor-El, who became a laughingstock after his prediction of Krypton’s demise failed to come to pass, is a political reactionary seeking allies for his “Old Krypton" movement which seeks to ban immigration and take a hard line on drug trafficking. Kal’s cousin Kara is hospitalized by a politically motivated assault, part of a protest against the use of the Phantom Zone as a prison. Jor-El invented the Phantom Zone projector, and his family feels unsafe with these attacks. As Kal works to protect his family, he realizes it doesn’t matter, because they don’t exist; this is all a dream. Frame Story Part 2: Superman rejects the dream, and the Black Mercy parasite falls off his chest… right onto Batman, who is sucked into a fantasy in which his parents survived, and he married Kathy Kane. The awakened Superman confronts Mongul in a battle that rages across the Fortess of Solitude, with neither gaining the upper hand. Robin uses Mongul’s huge protective gauntlets (which he discarded before his punching match with Wonder Woman) to remove Black Mercy from Batman’s chest. Bagging the parasite in his cape, he follows the trail of carnage until he’s able to drop Black Mercy onto Mongul, who instantly is enthralled in a fantasy of conquering the universe with his Warworld. Superman stores Mongul’s inert body in a corner of the Fortress. Battle won! Epilogue: Batman apologetically gives Superman his birthday present, a unique rose named “Krypton” which has been smooshed during all the fighting. Wonder Woman gives him a gemstone replica of Kandor, thinking that the real Kandor is no longer bottled in the Fortress. This is apparently false, but Superman doesn’t tell her so; he just accepts the gift graciously. My Two Cents: It’s an early effort by Moore for DC but already bears some of his hallmarks. The scene transitions between the “real world” and Superman’s fantasy are marked by parallel dialogue and/or panel layouts. Moore takes a couple of opportunities to wax poetic in the captions describing the wonders within Superman’s man-cave. Mongul was a relatively new evil toughie, having debuted in DC Comics Presents #27 (1980, Len Wein and Jim Starlin). He recurred in issues #28, 36, and 43 and then went silent until this story. His frequent association with a weaponized planetoid, Warworld, makes me think of Joss Whedon’s similar character Ord of the Breakworld, a space gladiator in Astonishing X-Men.
Superman's February 29 birthday is a little joke "explaining" why he's still so young fifty years after he first appeared. As with Frederic in The Pirates of Penzance, he only has a birthday every four years. The overall theme of the story is encapsulated in the title: What gift could anyone give Superman? Sentimental items probably, tokens of friendship rather than items of intrinsic worth. But what are we to make of Mongul’s “gift”? Black Mercy was supposed to give Superman his heart’s delight, which we would think might involve marriage to Lois, peace on Earth, etc. Instead, he has a pretty horrific vision of Krypton on the verge of violent revolution, a disappointed and disappointing father, an endangered family, and himself just a helpless pawn in social forces beyond his control or understanding. I really wonder what Moore is trying to tell us about Superman here. However, having determined that Superman’s fondest dream is life on a dystopian Krypton, Moore runs with it. Superman’s actress wife Lyla Lerrol first appeared in Superman #141 (1960, Jerry Siegel), in which Superman traveled through time and space back to intact Krypton and romanced Lyla until duty called him back to present-day Earth. Also, Moore pulls us out of the dream just when things are getting interesting. Jor-El has thrown in his lot with violent jingoists. Kal’s family has been threatened by militants stirring a “no Phantom Zone” pot. What will our hero do? How can an archeologist fight back? Dunno. There’s no payoff; the dream simply ends. This would have been better as a fully-fledged imaginary story, divorced from the frame of Mongul immobilizing Superman with a dream of his heart’s desire. Then the pages used for Mongul punching Superman and Wonder Woman could have been used to bring the Kryptonian story to a satisfactory conclusion instead of just turning it off with “and then I woke up. Crazy dream!” We've seen this "hugging the imaginary family member as the dream sequence ends" scene in lots of other stories. <iframe width="7" height="10.060000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 7px; height: 10.060000000000002px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 5px; top: 45px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_77131267" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="7" height="10.060000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 7px; height: 10.06px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 297px; top: 45px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_24418218" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="7" height="10.060000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 7px; height: 10.06px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 5px; top: 488px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_54723935" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="7" height="10.060000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 7px; height: 10.06px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 297px; top: 488px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_74026656" scrolling="no"></iframe> Kando had been restored to size, in Superman #338. In that story, superman had collected energy from a star that expanded and experimented with it, tricking Brainiac into shrinking him with his ray, to test it. When it was successful, he brought Kandor to a barren world and enlarged it. however, all of the buildings crumbled, as it didn't work on inorganic matter. It also turned out that the worldwas at some kind of dimensional riff and shifted locations, after Supergirl takes Superman away. The Kandorians rebuilt on this new world and Superman and Supergirl were able to revisit, when the planet shifted back. It became a cosmic Brigadoon. If memory serves, it is back in place to allow the framing device for the mini-series, the Krypton Chronicles, which detailed past history of the world and the El family. Unless I missed something (which was possible) that was the status quo until the revamp.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 14, 2019 12:13:30 GMT -5
This was the issue where it was restored.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 14, 2019 12:22:28 GMT -5
Apparently I did miss something. In Superman #371, Superman finds the replica Kandor he had in the Fortress is now inhabited by miniature aliens, who came to Earth seeking shelter. I had not read a Superman comic in a while, at that point and really didn't until the Omega Men appeared in Action Comics. Then, I didn't read it again until the relaunch. So, partly right that Kandor was restored; but, new people moved into the replica bottle. So, Wonder Woman is right that Kandor is gone, having been restored, and her present represents the Kryptonian Kandor, rather than the replica.
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 14, 2019 13:23:30 GMT -5
I don't like most Earth-One Superman stories. "For the Man Who Has Everything" is one of the exceptions.
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Post by zaku on Mar 14, 2019 13:31:39 GMT -5
Apparently I did miss something. In Superman #371, Superman finds the replica Kandor he had in the Fortress is now inhabited by miniature aliens, who came to Earth seeking shelter. But they didn't too much with it, right? Did they ever appear again?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 14, 2019 13:55:48 GMT -5
Superman Annual #11 “For the Man Who Has Everything” (August 1985) I love the scene where Diana kisses Ka-El happy birthday, and when he asks "why don't we do this more often?" she replies "Too predictable". What a great and succinct way to establish their relationship!
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 14, 2019 17:00:58 GMT -5
Apparently I did miss something. In Superman #371, Superman finds the replica Kandor he had in the Fortress is now inhabited by miniature aliens, who came to Earth seeking shelter. But they didn't too much with it, right? Did they ever appear again? I don't think so; though, again, I wasn't reading the series regularly, anymore. This story was in 1982, Moore's in 1985, and Man of Steel launched in 1986, 7 months after Crisis on Infinite Earths ended. The only really significant story I can recall, from this period, was Cary Bates Superman Revenge Squad saga, which got a bit of acclaim, as kind of a last classic for Superman, apart from Moore's two dabbling, prior to his "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" send off of the Earth-1 Superman.
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