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Post by Phil Maurice on Mar 15, 2019 16:31:37 GMT -5
I think this also the first time we see Superman shave by bouncing his heat vision of a mirror. It's a minor detail, but it's one of those little ideas introduced so close to Crisis (such as LexCorp) that I think most people associate it with the post-Crisis era not realising that it was in use before then. It's a fun idea, albeit one that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The temperature required to singe off Superman's hair must be substantially less than the temperature required to melt the silver on the surface of the mirror, or the glass behind the silver. yet Superman's hair is unsinged by flying into the sun. Not that comics have to make sense, but it's fun to think about the ways in which they don't. Your exchange reminded me of this 1979 MAD feature about shaving in the future: Perhaps Clark was using something akin to the Neutron Razor to preserve the mirror and his delicate skin. Coincidentally, this issue of MAD had a Superman cover and a couple of features about the Man of Steel.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 15, 2019 23:17:30 GMT -5
I still recall the original SNL doing a commercial parody of the Schick Twin (or was it Gillette?) Razor, with one that has three blades, which rips out the hair. Give it a decade or two and triple-bladed (and more) razors are standard.
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Post by rberman on Mar 16, 2019 17:10:39 GMT -5
Superman #423 and Action Comics #583 “Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?” (September 1986)Superman Creative Team: Alan Moore writing. Curt Swan pencils, George Perez ink. Action Comics Creative Team: Alan Moore writing. Curt Swan pencils. Kurt Schaffenberger ink. The Story: Ten years in the future, Lois Elliot tells a Daily Planet reporter about the last days of Superman, when a parade of Silver Age villains turned vicious. First, Bizarro destroyed a crowded department store and then committed suicide. Then Toyman and Prankster torture Pete Ross to death to learn Superman’s identity, then expose Superman at the Daily Planet. After a hundred Metallos attack the Daily Planet building, Superman brings his closest friends to the Fortress of Solitude for protection. Krypto’s arrival is welcome. More puzzling is a visit from the Silver Age Legion of Super-Heroes, who have brought Supergirl with them. They present Superman with a trophy and won’t tell him why they chose this particular moment for the visit. After they depart, Superman mourns Supergirl, who is dead in this timeline; she had recently died in the main DC timeline as well, so readers mourn along with him. Braniac’s head becomes a helmet which takes control of the mind of Lex Luthor, then recruits the Kryptonite Man. The original trio version of the Legion of Super-Villains want to join too. They all besiege the Fortress of Solitude, leaving Superman’s super-allies trapped outside a force field. Bodies pile up outside. Lana and Jimmy use the contents of the Fortress to resume their identities as Elastic Lad and Super-Lana. Lana kills Luthor but is killed by Lightning Lord. Braniac animates Luthor’s stiffening corpse and shoots Jimmy Olson dead before shutting down forever himself. Krypto and Kryptonite Man kill each other. Superman’s rage frightens the Legion of Super-Villains enough that they flee back to the future. Finally the villain mastermind appears: Mr. Mxyzptlk now looks like a rock star gone to middle-aged seed, all stringy hair and goth eyeliner. He has decided to “graduate” from mischief to pure evil. Superman zaps him with the Phantom Zone projector just as Mxyzptlk tries to teleport back to the Fifth Dimension; the evil imp is torn between two worlds and killed. Superman feels guilty about intending this fatal result and exposes himself to gold kryptonite, permanently removing his powers. Lois tells everyone that he wandered into the Arctic tundra to die, but in the “ten years later” flash-forward, we realize that he’s living still as Lois’ husband Jordan Elliot (Jor-El, see?), and their baby Jonathan (after Pa Kent) can squeeze coal to diamonds. My Two Cents: In retrospect, we can see this story as an early salvo in the “grim and gritty” non-heroic era of the late 80s and early 90s. Villains play for keeps. Beloved supporting characters die. Superman kills and feels obliged to lose his powers forever. The underlying premise “Mr. Mxyzptlk got bored and uncharacteristically decided to force a bunch of other villains to act uncharacteristically nasty” seems poorly motivated all around, and I can’t imagine that the fifth dimensional imp was at the top of any fan’s list of “Whom should Superman face in his final conflict?” Superman’s act of sacrifice is simultaneously too much and not enough. OK, he broke his oath never to kill. Does the Earth no longer need defending? He’s not off the “great power, great responsibility” hook; he’s just making it worse by shirking his duty. But if he has done something really terrible, would he respond by disappearing into the woodwork to make the happy life with Lois that he always wanted? The villains of the world would not even know that Superman is supposed to be dead. Or, having heard the rumor but not seen the body (indeed, nobody has seen the body; his death is just speculation on Lois’ part), they wouldn’t believe it. They’d go on attacking Lois (and her new boyfriend!) and all of Clark Kent’s associates, trying to flush Superman out of hiding. Anybody seen Superman 2? The story is not a total loss, though. Braniac’s commandeering of Luthor provides an effectively chilling moment of body horror. Regardless of the circumstances, I like the character moments in the last half of the first issue, when Superman’s friends huddle in his Fortress and consider their various relationships. It was a “calm before the storm” moment similar to the several pages in X-Men #137 in which Jean Grey’s teammates separately think about her the night before a big trial-by-combat to defend her. Jimmy Olsen got neglected in this sequence; too bad. But the moments with Supergirl bring a lump to the throat. We can all imagine how bittersweet would be a few more minutes with someone who has passed on. The flash-forward conclusion with Superman living happily ever after under an assumed name is similar to the ending of Watchmen, and Moore’s run on Swamp Thing has a similar fairy tale conclusion; all three stories were published relatively close together. The cover of Superman #423 homages the covers of the early 1960s Superman annuals, with panels depicting the various sub-stories within. The cover of Action Comics #583 depicts a throng of well-wishers which includes Julius Schwartz, Jenette Kahn, and Curt Swan.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 16, 2019 18:17:35 GMT -5
I believe that I had this two parter as one of my greatest saga entries a few years back , so I have to disagree with you. First of all , this is an Imaginary story as stated in the beginning, so anything goes. Second, in this tale the stakes are amped up because the driving force, Mxyzptlk, is inducing the formerly harmless adversaries to act in a more violent nature. As for Luthor and Braniac, they were always striving to kill Superman. I wouldn't call it a Grim and Gritty entry by Moore, just a playing for keeps and bored villain that wanted to turn events into a massacre. The story is spurred on by the knowledge from historians that this was Superman's last stand. As you can see , the Legion of Super Villains came back to join in on a "sure thing." The twist that Mxyzptlk is the villain behind it all is good writing, if it was Luthor behind it, I imagine Moore would have been accused of lazy writing. Lastly, his abandoning his role as Superman was the result of a deeply held code against killing. There would have been more backlash if he killed and just shrugged his shoulders afterwards and went on with his life. He hardly is leaving earth to the Wolves with all the heroes that are still there to protect it. Also, don't forget that some of those major threats were eliminated in this showdown. I will reiterate, it was an Imaginary story as a send off to the greatest superhero of all that was a few months away from a total reboot.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 16, 2019 19:40:02 GMT -5
My kids are re-watching Supergirl... and I must have missed this the last time around... I guess the writers do at least a little research!
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Post by rberman on Mar 16, 2019 19:52:26 GMT -5
My kids are re-watching Supergirl... and I must have missed this the last time around... I guess the writers do at least a little research! The episode is even called "For the Girl Who Has Everything." Did they give Moore a credit? Several other DC television shows have had an episode in which the protagonist is trapped in a perfect dream, but without the Black Mercy as the plot device.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 17, 2019 0:20:56 GMT -5
This story is where the accusation that Moore swiped from Superfolks carries the most weight. In the novel, Indigo's enemy, Pxysyzygy, who had been a prankster, turns out to be a far deadlier enemy, using the subtle method of introducing traces of Cronkite into everything, robbing Indigo of his powers and making him impotent. He's not the only villain though, as Indigo has to contend with the Demoniac, who is as powerful as he is.
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Post by zaku on Mar 17, 2019 7:24:00 GMT -5
Recently I have read few issues of Superman titles before Byrne's reboot, and I noted that Perry White's marriage problems was really a subplot in that period and not just something Alan Moore came up with. I appreciate that they really tried to resolve some dangling plot threads... (except his memory problems. Really, WHAT THE HECK WAS HAPPENING). And I think that Superman deserved his retirement, considering that all his rogue gallery was wiped out (even the Parasite and Terra Man!) and this is clearly the unified post-Crisis universe, so there are lot of heroes hanging around (like this panel shows).
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Post by rberman on Mar 17, 2019 7:46:46 GMT -5
Recently I have read few issues of Superman titles before Byrne's reboot, and I noted that Perry White's marriage problems was really a subplot in that period and not just something Alan Moore came up with. I appreciate that they really tried to resolve some dangling plot threads... (except his memory problems. Really, WHAT THE HECK WAS HAPPENING). And I think that Superman deserved his retirement, considering that all his rogue gallery was wiped out (even the Parasite and Terra Man!) and this is clearly the unified post-Crisis universe, so there are lot of heroes hanging around (like this panel shows). Who are the two rightmost figures? I don't recognize them. This could be a post-Crisis imaginary story since Supergirl is dead, and Captain Marvel is on Earth-1. But doesn't the appearance of the Silver Age legion (including Silver Age Supergirl) pose a problem with that? It may be better just to say that this imaginary story takes place on a world where there was never a Crisis, and Captain Marvel was always there, and Supergirl died for some other reason.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 17, 2019 10:37:08 GMT -5
The woman is Kristin Wells, aka Superwoman. Eliot Maggin introduced her in the novel Miracle Monday and she was added into continuity at DC. She is a time traveler, from the future, who has studied Superman. She first appeared in comics in DC Comics Presents Annual #2. The guy in the Zardoz clothing is Vartox, an alien hero who first appeared in Superman #281.
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Post by rberman on Mar 17, 2019 13:09:08 GMT -5
Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual #2 “Tygers” (December 1986)
Creative Team: Alan Moore writing. Kevin O’Neill art. The Story: Green Lantern Abin Sur follows a distress beacon to Ysmault, a forbidden planet imprisoning demons who once ruled multiple galaxies. “Qull of the Five Inversions” is a soothsaying demon with a giant tongue for a head. He offers to answer any three questions for Abin; but will the answers be trustworthy? The first question (“Where is the crashed spaceship?”) is answered truly, and Abin rescues an injured child. The second question (“What direct peril awaits me?”) is answered with a caution about Abin’s power ring failing unexpectedly, with a bonus comment that Abin’s successor, Hal Jordan, will be an awesome replacement. Abin subsequently resolves to use a spaceship regularly for travel, but this doesn’t avail him ten years later when his power ring and spaceship both fail him simultaneously, resulting in his death on Earth as described in Hal Jordan’s origin story many times. Abin Sur’s third question “What is the most terrible catastrophe that the GL Corps will face?” leads to a prophecy about a consortium of villains (Weaponers of Qward, etc.) who will crush Oa at some point in the future. My Two Cents: This story mainly exists to plug a continuity hole: Why did Abin Sur crash on Earth in a spaceship, when Green Lanterns routinely fly through space on their own steam? However, its greatest significance is the prophecy about the future of the GL Corps. Mogo the planet-sized Lantern gets another mention; Hi, Mogo! But this is also the first time that we hear of the super-Lantern Sodam Yat, who is both a Green Lantern and a Daxamite, thus possessing the powers of Mon-El as well as a Lantern ring. This prophecy provides much grist for the “Blackest Night” event which DC ran in 2009. Sodam Yat also figured prominently in the Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds” miniseries. Alan Moore complained that these modern writers had the gall to treat his 80s Green Lantern stories as if they were a valid part of continuity to be further explored. This from the guy who dredged Lyla Lallor up from the early Silver Age. The unusual spelling of “Tiger” seems like a nod to William Blake’s “Tyger Tyger burning bright” poem, but I’m not sure what Moore intends to evoke by using it here.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Mar 17, 2019 17:12:08 GMT -5
Action Comics Creative Team: Alan Moore writing. Curt Swan pencils. Kurt Schaffenberger ink. According to GCD, the cover's inker Murphy Anderson was one of the wellwishers and also provided some uncredited interior inking.
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 17, 2019 18:41:26 GMT -5
But this is also the first time that we hear of the super-Lantern Sodam Yat, who is both a Green Lantern and a Daxamite, thus possessing the powers of Mon-El as well as a Lantern ring. This prophecy provides much grist for the “Blackest Night” event which DC ran in 2009. Sodam Yat also figured prominently in the Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds” miniseries. Alan Moore complained that these modern writers had the gall to treat his 80s Green Lantern stories as if they were a valid part of continuity to be further explored. This from the guy who dredged Lyla Lallor up from the early Silver Age. On one hand, I sympathize with Moore's view. On the other, the rank hypocrisy. What's a reader to do...? And that rendering of Sodam Yat — great shades of Liefeld, it's hideous!
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 17, 2019 18:47:23 GMT -5
Kevin O’Neill draws the most nightmare inducing monsters ever.
There I said it.
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Post by zaku on Mar 17, 2019 20:07:34 GMT -5
Recently I have read few issues of Superman titles before Byrne's reboot, and I noted that Perry White's marriage problems was really a subplot in that period and not just something Alan Moore came up with. I appreciate that they really tried to resolve some dangling plot threads... (except his memory problems. Really, WHAT THE HECK WAS HAPPENING). And I think that Superman deserved his retirement, considering that all his rogue gallery was wiped out (even the Parasite and Terra Man!) and this is clearly the unified post-Crisis universe, so there are lot of heroes hanging around (like this panel shows). Who are the two rightmost figures? I don't recognize them. This could be a post-Crisis imaginary story since Supergirl is dead, and Captain Marvel is on Earth-1. But doesn't the appearance of the Silver Age legion (including Silver Age Supergirl) pose a problem with that? It may be better just to say that this imaginary story takes place on a world where there was never a Crisis, and Captain Marvel was always there, and Supergirl died for some other reason. This image is perfectly compatible with the situation of the DC Universe immediately after the Crisis. The Earth created in COIE #11 wasn't the post-Crisis Earth, but a "merged Earth" where the histories of our heroes were still similar to the pre-Crisis ones. All the Superman stories after Crisis and before the Byrne's reboot where set on this Earth (we are talking about almost a year of stories). And considering that the Merged Earth was the result of the merging of Earth-S too, the presence of Captain Marvel is justified here. So no element in the story contradicts the Superman's status quo at the time. ETA: There is an article on Mike's Amazing World on this subject: Crisis on Infinite Earths: The Dividing Line Part 2
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