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Post by Jeddak on Jun 4, 2020 10:27:55 GMT -5
The Superboy date-rape story referred to above was 'Don't Call Me Superboy' from DC Super-Stars 12. Basically, a Kryptonian teacher robot kidnapped an Earth girl, wiped her memory and gave her a personality designed to attract Clark. He arranged for them to fall in love, then faked her death to teach Superboy about loss or self-discipline or something. And yes, Clark lost his virginity to her. But to be fair, he didn't know about the whole fake personality thing.
The story is online. I'll post a link when I get home.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 4, 2020 10:30:07 GMT -5
I own that comic! It's pretty weird, but that's OK, so is all of that era's Superman. What's the issue # ? I have many unread Bronze Age Superman comics, I might want to read it. I think it's Superman #355. |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 4, 2020 10:36:10 GMT -5
The Superboy date-rape story referred to above was 'Don't Call Me Superboy' from DC Super-Stars 12. Basically, a Kryptonian teacher robot kidnapped an Earth girl, wiped her memory and gave her a personality designed to attract Clark. He arranged for them to fall in love, then faked her death to teach Superboy about loss or self-discipline or something. And yes, Clark lost his virginity to her. But to be fair, he didn't know about the whole fake personality thing. The story is online. I'll post a link when I get home. Holy crap that's dark. |
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Post by MDG on Jun 4, 2020 11:45:34 GMT -5
The Superboy date-rape story referred to above was 'Don't Call Me Superboy' from DC Super-Stars 12. Basically, a Kryptonian teacher robot kidnapped an Earth girl, wiped her memory and gave her a personality designed to attract Clark. He arranged for them to fall in love, then faked her death to teach Superboy about loss or self-discipline or something. And yes, Clark lost his virginity to her. But to be fair, he didn't know about the whole fake personality thing. The story is online. I'll post a link when I get home. Holy crap that's dark.
Didn't mean to hijack from Jeddak--was looking for the reference to this in an issue of Ambush Bug. |
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Post by Chris on Jun 4, 2020 11:46:26 GMT -5
What's the issue # ? I have many unread Bronze Age Superman comics, I might want to read it. I think it's Superman #355. It is indeed #355 where Asimov tries to kill Superman. I can only imagine that Cary Bates was quite the sci-fi fan, or editor Julius Schwartz (who used to be a literary agent for SF writers) came up with the idea. There was another issue where Edmond Hamilton was turned into a supervillain as well. And Schwartz was known for naming characters after SF figures, such as Ray Palmer. #355 also has a backup story featuring "Superman 2020," which as you can see from current events, is completely and totally accurate. |
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Post by rberman on Jun 4, 2020 11:51:44 GMT -5
I think it's Superman #355. It is indeed #355 where Asimov tries to kill Superman. I can only imagine that Cary Bates was quite the sci-fi fan, or editor Julius Schwartz (who used to be a literary agent for SF writers) came up with the idea. There was another issue where Edmond Hamilton was turned into a supervillain as well. And Schwartz was known for naming characters after SF figures, such as Ray Palmer. #355 also has a backup story featuring "Superman 2020," which as you can see from current events, is completely and totally accurate. Plus Bates wrote the “Harlan Ellison visits the JLA” story. |
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Post by Chris on Jun 4, 2020 11:53:41 GMT -5
The Superboy date-rape story referred to above was 'Don't Call Me Superboy' from DC Super-Stars 12. Basically, a Kryptonian teacher robot kidnapped an Earth girl, wiped her memory and gave her a personality designed to attract Clark. He arranged for them to fall in love, then faked her death to teach Superboy about loss or self-discipline or something. And yes, Clark lost his virginity to her. But to be fair, he didn't know about the whole fake personality thing. The story is online. I'll post a link when I get home. Holy crap that's dark. And you thought John Byrne's idea for Action Comics #593 was original.  |
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Post by Chris on Jun 4, 2020 11:59:08 GMT -5
Plus Bates wrote the “Harlan Ellison visits the JLA” story. Are you referring to Justice League #89? The "Harlequin Ellis" story? Mike Friedrich wrote that. |
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Post by rberman on Jun 4, 2020 14:56:17 GMT -5
The Superboy date-rape story referred to above was 'Don't Call Me Superboy' from DC Super-Stars #12. Basically, a Kryptonian teacher robot kidnapped an Earth girl, wiped her memory and gave her a personality designed to attract Clark. He arranged for them to fall in love, then faked her death to teach Superboy about loss or self-discipline or something. And yes, Clark lost his virginity to her. But to be fair, he didn't know about the whole fake personality thing. Never read that one before. It's not "date-rape" in the sense that Superboy had no intent of rape. He had no idea that the girl was anything other than what she seemed, an eager classmate and the most popular girl in school. Still, I'm surprised that 1977 DC published a story in which Superboy loses his virginity, and the punchline is, "Now I'm a Super man!" Pa Kent would have something to say about what really makes one a man.   |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 4, 2020 20:52:28 GMT -5
What's the issue # ? I have many unread Bronze Age Superman comics, I might want to read it. I think it's Superman #355. That's the one.. Superman fights Dr. Ezaak |
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Post by Jeddak on Jun 4, 2020 21:02:59 GMT -5
The Superboy date-rape story referred to above was 'Don't Call Me Superboy' from DC Super-Stars 12. Basically, a Kryptonian teacher robot kidnapped an Earth girl, wiped her memory and gave her a personality designed to attract Clark. He arranged for them to fall in love, then faked her death to teach Superboy about loss or self-discipline or something. And yes, Clark lost his virginity to her. But to be fair, he didn't know about the whole fake personality thing. The story is online. I'll post a link when I get home. Holy crap that's dark. But it wasn't presented as dark. We were supposed to care about Clark; she could've been a robot for all the story cared about her. Her memory was wiped and she just went back to her own life, like nothing happened. I know it was a different time and all, but holy insensitivity Superman. |
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Post by Jeddak on Jun 4, 2020 21:04:06 GMT -5
Didn't mean to hijack from Jeddak --was looking for the reference to this in an issue of Ambush Bug. No problem. Work got . . . interesting today, so I would've gotten to it late. Thanks for stepping up. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 4, 2020 21:04:08 GMT -5
It's also rather ambiguous if they have sex. All you see is a silhouette of an embrace. That does not presume intercourse. To me, it looks like yet another case of retroactively applied ideas by people who are reading their own preconceptions into a somewhat ambiguous story. The girl is under other influence, not Superboy, there is nothing but the reader's inference that anything other than a kiss occurs or that Clark's bed being made is anything other than what Martha Kent said, about night patrols.
This is not the same kind of messed up idea that David Michelinie and Jim Shooter used in Avengers, with Carol Danvers. Superboy is as much a victim as the girl. I've read a lot of Bates stuff and this is not his best, but it is also not as messed up as much of what I could cite from contemporaries.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 4, 2020 21:07:58 GMT -5
It's also rather ambiguous if they have sex. All you see is a silhouette of an embrace. That does not presume intercourse. To me, it looks like yet another case of retroactively applied ideas by people who are reading their own preconceptions into a somewhat ambiguous story. The girl is under other influence, not Superboy, there is nothing but the reader's inference that anything other than a kiss occurs or that Clark's bed being made is anything other than what Martha Kent said, about night patrols. This is not the same kind of messed up idea that David Michelinie and Jim Shooter used in Avengers, with Carol Danvers. Superboy is as much a victim as the girl. I've read a lot of Bates stuff and this is not his best, but it is also not as messed up as much of what I could cite from contemporaries. While you're correct that they didn't explicitly mention sex, they DO clearly intend you to think he stayed overnight. It's certainly intended for you to imply they did... I feel like that's the TV-G Euphemism for sex at that time. |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 4, 2020 21:18:54 GMT -5
It's also rather ambiguous if they have sex. All you see is a silhouette of an embrace. That does not presume intercourse. To me, it looks like yet another case of retroactively applied ideas by people who are reading their own preconceptions into a somewhat ambiguous story. The girl is under other influence, not Superboy, there is nothing but the reader's inference that anything other than a kiss occurs or that Clark's bed being made is anything other than what Martha Kent said, about night patrols. This is not the same kind of messed up idea that David Michelinie and Jim Shooter used in Avengers, with Carol Danvers. Superboy is as much a victim as the girl. I've read a lot of Bates stuff and this is not his best, but it is also not as messed up as much of what I could cite from contemporaries. While you're correct that they didn't explicitly mention sex, they DO clearly intend you to think he stayed overnight. It's certainly intended for you to imply they did... I feel like that's the TV-G Euphemism for sex at that time. Absolutely. I still remember the story of how Lois Lane couldn't be in the Superman Cornflakes commercials because the censors believed Lois joining Clark for breakfast suggested too much. |
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