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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 5, 2020 20:44:13 GMT -5
I bristled then and now at the idea that all Midwesterners are conservative. Hate to tell Marv, but you find a mixture of political viewpoints everywhere, but NY liberal is hardly accurate, given the present situation. Anyway.... Wasn't this a big part of Reagan's campaign and image, though - that Republicans represented America's heartland? Obviously, it's a generalization, but it jibes with my memories of the time period. Midwest Conservative, East and West Coasts liberal. More that he represented traditional values and the connections to Lincoln..... More Reagan, specifically than the Republicans as a party. Really, it was more the idea of patriotism and 50s America, with a man whose film career pretty much ended with the 50s, equating him with comforting Frank Capra movies, after Watergate and Vietnam and the Hostage Crisis. Here in Illinois, and many parts of the Midwest, there had been pretty strong Democratic Party centers (Chicago, obviously, but several of the downstate cities were, also). The Reagan campaign ran on the idea of a strong America, as the Dems lost a lot of cache with the recession and the Hostage Crisis. A lot of traditional Dem voters switched, in the 1980 Election. A lot of that was related to the recession and the decline in power of the unions, as factories shut down throughout the Midwest.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 5, 2020 20:45:51 GMT -5
I remember being super confused by this issue the first time I read it... I was like, Why is there another Starfire? I had no idea then that the character had already existed. I'm pretty sure in the letter pages whoever responded to the letters said the characters were in the early 20s... no idea when that happened though. That's definitely how I read it. Lucky they didn't include the third Starfire...
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Post by Duragizer on Jun 5, 2020 20:48:04 GMT -5
That's some outfit. Now my burgeoning headache's increased fivefold.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 5, 2020 21:11:18 GMT -5
I'm proud of you rberman . Not once in your response to the review did you mention the X-men. Edit: Oops, you did mention them.
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Post by rberman on Jun 5, 2020 21:16:50 GMT -5
I'm proud of you rberman . Not once in your response to the review did you mention the X-men. Edit: Oops, you did mention them. Only because shaxper commanded it. I live to serve!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 5, 2020 21:19:07 GMT -5
that 3rd Starfire is on my list of things to get one of these days... I have 1 issue.... I love me some weird 70s comics!
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Post by Confessor on Jun 6, 2020 0:13:27 GMT -5
By the way, there's an anachronism in this scene. Bruce Springsteen once commented in an interview that before the Beatles, bands at school dances did not sing; they didn't even have microphones. They just played instrumentally. Cary Bates is thinking of movies he's seen about 1960s high school even though he set his story in "Another decade, best known for Elvis, Eisenhower, Edsels." Bruce is half right, but he's not making the important distinction between dance bands and pop or rock 'n' roll bands. By the 1950s, many dance bands were still hanging on to the earlier big band format of a rhythm section, trombones, saxophones, and piano, while playing light jazz and popular hits of the day. These bands did play instrumentally, but they would still sometimes have a microphone on stage that the band leader would use to introduce the songs and communicate with the audience, as can be seen from this 1950s photograph... As the big band era began to wane in the late 1940s and early 1950s, many former big bands introduced a vocalist in a nod to the popularity of crooners. Interestingly, for a Hollywood movie, Back to the Future (set in 1955) got this absolutely right: Marvin Berry & the Starlighters' instrumentation is that of a small dance band, but they have a microphone, so that vocal pop hits of the day could be performed alongside the instrumental fare... I'm not sure when the Superman story in question is set, but if it's early-to-mid-50s, then the high school dance band could very well have a vocalist with a microphone. By the late 50s and early 60s, rock 'n' roll was beginning to be more in demand at high school dances, especially since the more "tamed" variety of "pop rock 'n' roll", by the likes of Frankie Avalon, Fabian, Bobby Rydell etc had come to prominence. So, during this era it was not uncommon to find young rock 'n' roll bands, with a guitar/bass/drums format and vocal mics, playing rock 'n' roll numbers at high school dances... And here's a U.S. school band playing at a school in the early 60s... So, rock 'n' roll bands absolutely were playing at school dances with microphones years before the Beatles exploded Stateside in early 1964. Hell, even the Beatles themselves were playing rock 'n' roll with vocal microphones at school dances and youth clubs in the north of England before they were famous.
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Post by zaku on Jun 6, 2020 1:47:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure when the Superman story in question is set, but if it's early-to-mid-50s, then the high school dance band could very well have a vocalist with a microphone. Adult Earth-1 Superman was "forever 29" and the story was published in the 1977. So I suppose the Superboy story was set in the... 1964-ish..? ETA this Earth-1 Chronology set the story in "May, 1968".
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Post by rberman on Jun 6, 2020 4:35:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure when the Superman story in question is set, but if it's early-to-mid-50s, then the high school dance band could very well have a vocalist with a microphone. Adult Earth-1 Superman was "forever 29" and the story was published in the 1977. So I suppose the Superboy story was set in the... 1964-ish..? ETA this Earth-1 Chronology set the story in "May, 1968". A caption in the story specifically says it’s in the late 1950s, which was unwise to specify.
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Post by zaku on Jun 6, 2020 6:28:30 GMT -5
Adult Earth-1 Superman was "forever 29" and the story was published in the 1977. So I suppose the Superboy story was set in the... 1964-ish..? ETA this Earth-1 Chronology set the story in "May, 1968". A caption in the story specifically says it’s in the late 1950s, which was unwise to specify. And Mike's site says "1944-08-23". You know, Byrne wasn't totally wrong about Superboy...
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 6, 2020 8:30:52 GMT -5
Forgive me shaxper for commenting on New Teen Titans #13-15 , as I'm still playing catchup. For me, this three issue arc is the best Titans tale of the series before the Judas Contract is written years later. I enjoyed that the Doom Patrol and their history was used and I felt Wolfman honored them in wrapping up the story of their demise. I though Wolfman did a decent enough job of recapping their history enough where the reader could understand most of the story. Yeah, I didn't know all of the intricacies of Madam Rouges origins and love for Niles Calder, but you can sort of catch on as the three issue story concludes. Just some points: The Brotherhood of Evil has the 4 new members and they bother me because , while they are wholly overpowered, they are ill suited to take on the Army fighting for Rouge and Zahl. The pages seem to indicate that they could only take on a few soldiers at a time. Warp can transport people into space? Plasma can melt anyone ? These are definitely rated R type powers. This skirmish seemed to be a mini war where there were plenty of casualties. It looks like Cyborg kills a few that are attacking him when he's hanging from the city. And Kory is letting loose against an army that looks to outnumber them 20 to 1. Raven never actually says that she loves Wally. She uses the friend zone language when she says that she "Cares for him". Almost like she's still letting him down easy while apologizing to him for manipulating him at the start of the series. I like that Gar kills Rouge in his rage and owns up to it. He DID cause her death although she certainly had it coming. I also agree that Zandia was created to be canon fodder and it's unrealistic to assume that the population was 100% criminal. ( Didn't I see a kid or two in the attack ? ) Great art and storytelling but one panel In issue # 14 looked un- Perez like. Could it be diverse hands?
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Post by shaxper on Jun 6, 2020 9:03:02 GMT -5
Forgive me shaxper for commenting on New Teen Titans #13-15 , as I'm still playing catchup. Not at all, my good man. Fire away! Except that she has indicated elsewhere that she cannot allow herself to love him because of...stuff. Honestly, Raven's internal journey is beginning to annoy me almost as much as Wally's, but I don't get the sense she is friend-zoning him because she doesn't have feelings for him. Absolutely, but then they drop it immediately. Kory is still recovering from losing her first crush two issues later. Gar gets over murdering someone in a few pages.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 6, 2020 9:53:56 GMT -5
Forgive me shaxper for commenting on New Teen Titans #13-15 , as I'm still playing catchup. Not at all, my good man. Fire away! Except that she has indicated elsewhere that she cannot allow herself to love him because of...stuff. Honestly, Raven's internal journey is beginning to annoy me almost as much as Wally's, but I don't get the sense she is friend-zoning him because she doesn't have feelings for him. Absolutely, but then they drop it immediately. Kory is still recovering from losing her first crush two issues later. Gar gets over murdering someone in a few pages. I don't think Gar and Donna got over it that quickly. It would be tedious for them to mention their internal struggle every issue, just as people complained that Captain America whined about Bucky every appearance he made when he came out of the ice.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 6, 2020 10:57:38 GMT -5
I don't think Gar and Donna got over it that quickly. It would be tedious for them to mention their internal struggle every issue, just as people complained that Captain America whined about Bucky every appearance he made when he came out of the ice. You mean like the way Raven whines about her internal darkness and inability to reach out to others each issue? Or the way Wally whines about whether he should continue being a superhero each issue? Wolfman doesn't really do subtle when it comes to his internal characterizations, not that I mind. They're teens. They're going to be moody and dramatic. And that's how we like them because, deep down, we're all moody and dramatic too; we've just learned to whine less with time.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jun 6, 2020 13:19:57 GMT -5
Lucky they didn't include the third Starfire... All three featured in Starman #55, which had three Rashomon-style stories, each of Starman rescuing a different Starfire.
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