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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 12, 2020 10:28:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry; but, every movie after Jedi has been a remake of the original trilogy; both the prequels and the latest. They just recycle the same plot points, with the trappings of earlier script drafts to make it seem somewhat different. The exceptions are the side films, with Rogue One being the only that succeeded, for me. Mandalorian is more of what I would rather see; new stories set in the universe, not tied directly to the characters of old. I'd like to see a Rogue Squadron series or film, based on the concepts of Mike Stackpole's books.
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Post by rberman on Apr 12, 2020 12:46:47 GMT -5
Remaking the original trilogy just seems like utter sacrilege. I mean you could, theoretically, but why would you? If you've an intriguing reinterpretation in mind, why wouldn't you? Mythologies evolve and diversify, and Star Wars is a modern mythology. Of course, I wouldn't expect Hollywood to crank out an OT remake which is anything but the original OT, only "faster, more intense". The modern Hollywood strategy is the "soft reboot" which takes all the themes and plot skeleton of the original film and recycles them with new characters and details, with the previous characters stepping into the mentor roles. Jurassic Park becomes Jurassic World. Tron becomes Tron Legacy. SW 7-9 follow this pattern exactly. Episode 7 is "Recruit a young Jedi from the desert, accompanied by two buddies, and blow up the Death Star. Darth Vader kills a father-figure." Episode 8 is "Send the Jedi off to train with a reclusive master while dealing a major blow to the rebels. The Jedi gets disturbing news about his ancestry. His friends seek help in luxurious settings but are betrayed." Episode 9 is "Jedi convinces evil relative to join him to kill the Emperor." Familiar pattern? So... they already did remake the original trilogy, and people who grew up with the original will prefer it, but kids today probably prefer the newer version for modern production values. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 13, 2020 14:57:07 GMT -5
If you've an intriguing reinterpretation in mind, why wouldn't you? Mythologies evolve and diversify, and Star Wars is a modern mythology. Of course, I wouldn't expect Hollywood to crank out an OT remake which is anything but the original OT, only "faster, more intense". The modern Hollywood strategy is the "soft reboot" which takes all the themes and plot skeleton of the original film and recycles them with new characters and details, with the previous characters stepping into the mentor roles. Jurassic Park becomes Jurassic World. Tron becomes Tron Legacy. SW 7-9 follow this pattern exactly. Episode 7 is "Recruit a young Jedi from the desert, accompanied by two buddies, and blow up the Death Star. Darth Vader kills a father-figure." Episode 8 is "Send the Jedi off to train with a reclusive master while dealing a major blow to the rebels. The Jedi gets disturbing news about his ancestry. His friends seek help in luxurious settings but are betrayed." Episode 9 is "Jedi convinces evil relative to join him to kill the Emperor." Familiar pattern? So... they already did remake the original trilogy, and people who grew up with the original will prefer it, but kids today probably prefer the newer version for modern production values. Pretty much the same structure in the prequels, too. |
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 21, 2020 12:07:59 GMT -5
Do you mean overexposure of the brand in general (with all of the ancillary material produced) or just that original trilogy? The brand. Ah. I agree. It was one thing when non-canon, early projects like Marvel's Star Wars monthly or the excellent daily strip were among the few SW content produced, but the 90s happened, and from the Zahn novels (and everyone else's), Dark Horse and the rest, it was too much. You cannot have galaxy-spanning, soul-threatening conflicts going on and on. It was all so repetitious. Much like in recent years, films such as The Force Awakens was a poor copy+paste job of Star Wars (ANH), and Rogue One had no greater purpose than what was clear to millions reading the original film's opening crawl since 1977. The franchise is in a sorry state (creatively / culturally) because of that torrential flood of merchandising and new films. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 21, 2020 17:47:55 GMT -5
Oh, I don't know, Rogue One was a decent concept for a story and, for the most part, I enjoyed the execution of it, compared to the Prequels and Sequels. It is highly flawed; but, that particularly story could have been spun several ways and been interesting, which is why I thought it was a decent idea for a side movie. I'd rather see more like it or Mandalorian, where it is more about smaller stories within the established world than the bigger space opera of the main story.
Where I think the problem lies is in corporate filmmaking, where the script has to serve too many masters, rather than tell the central story. Now it has to have elements to appeal to various demographics and vested interests, rather than just be a good yarn. This is what happens when accountants, finance people and marketing people run creative ventures as they look for pre-sold stories rather than figure out, creatively, how to sell a great story to other markets. It's pretty much the corporate MO of most modern conglomerates.
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 21, 2020 17:50:38 GMT -5
Where I think the problem lies is in corporate filmmaking, where the script has to serve too many masters, rather than tell the central story. Now it has to have elements to appeal to various demographics and vested interests, rather than just be a good yarn. This is what happens when accountants, finance people and marketing people run creative ventures as they look for pre-sold stories rather than figure out, creatively, how to sell a great story to other markets. It's pretty much the corporate MO of most modern conglomerates. Too true, I think most media these days suffers the same issue. You don't see much creativity outside of the independents |
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