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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 14:40:56 GMT -5
OFFICIAL TRAILER FINAL TRAILERIt's coming out in June 6th and I was told it's a truly unique movie that takes Jean Grey into a journey that transform her into DARK PHOENIX and I provide three videos and all looks really good and done quite masterfully and I'm just heard about this an hour ago and watched these three videos clips and looks totally unreal and done just right on the nose. I'm surprised that no one here is talking about it and I just find this movie really an excellent movie and looking forward seeing it. Here's the cast of Dark Phoenix ... the star is Sophie Turner and looks like I envisioned her.   Looks really good and I'm intrigued by this movie.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 10:05:12 GMT -5
There's been a load of talk about it in Shaxper's "watch all the X-men movies" thread, but I agree it should have its own thread by now
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Post by rberman on May 13, 2019 13:39:04 GMT -5
I try not to diss movies I haven't seen, or to enter threads just to complain about their topic. Perhaps others feel the same. This is probably why there hasn't been a Dark Phoenix thread yet. It's just that the Dark Phoenix story was also done (badly) once before, and wasn't set up well by X-Men:Apocalypse, so my expectations are quite low. I will wait for the video release. The purchase of Fox Films by Marvel means that we'll probably get a third chance at this story ten years from now, hopefully set up properly.
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Post by brutalis on May 13, 2019 13:49:04 GMT -5
Dark Phoenix looks to be the "Endgame" for the Fox Mutant films. They knew the contracts were all coming to their endings and the movies themselves were receiving lots of "complaints" of good versus worse with every new movie coming out in this current series. While every X-Men movie has had their share of issues in all they have been entertaining. I will see it as I have all the other movies because they are Comic Book inspired and will look better on the big screen than upon a television screen. This like every other X-Men movie has, will be watched and enjoyed by many and complained about by just as many more. It has to be better than the last Dark Phoenix movie...doesn't it?!?
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Jun 5, 2019 5:55:44 GMT -5
And the reviews are ... shockingly bad. Like I'm now more interested in seeing it now just to see how much of a train wreck it is. Like the new Godzilla's Rotten Tomatoes score is several times higher and that was shockingly low in itself.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 5, 2019 7:36:05 GMT -5
Here's the old discussion we had when the first trailers dropped: www.classiccomics.org/post/282748/threadI previously said: I avoid trailers pretty much always. They seldom give an accurate feel for the film, especially since they are edited together and given an audio track by a company completely unaffiliated with the film. Dark Phoenix is THE film I'm waiting on this year. I absolutely see how it can crash and burn like the previous Dark Phoenix film, but I see so much potential in this franchise right now, and so I will continue to hope. If nothing else, any film with McAvoy playing Xavier is never a waste of time. And after viewing the second trailer... On this cinematic version of Jean Grey (from my review of X-Men: Apocalypse): On Sophie Turner's performance in X-Men: Apocalypse: |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Jun 5, 2019 8:23:59 GMT -5
Xavier being treated as the father figure for various characters despite never doing anything to deserve it or spending much time with those characters has been pretty common in the comics. I remember reading New Mutants 50 and seeing Magik and Warlock call Xavier their true father and wondering where that came from, because nothing he had done with them justified that and in Magik's case he was outright neglectful. A big part of how I wrote my fanfic version of what I'd like to see in the New Mutants movie was justifying that relationship between Magik and Xavier. classiccomics.org/thread/4651/write-new-mutants-movie |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 5, 2019 9:47:02 GMT -5
I have absolutely no interest in this movie. If and when I get around to watching it, it'll be hen it airs on TNT or USA or some other cable channel. I am, however, anxious to see how Kevin Fiege and Marvel Studios integrate the X-Men into the MCU... and I would be perfectly happy if they chose *not* to adapt the Dark Phoenix story a third time.
Cei-U!
I summon the ennui!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 10:03:53 GMT -5
I have absolutely no interest in this movie. If and when I get around to watching it, it'll be hen it airs on TNT or USA or some other cable channel. I am, however, anxious to see how Kevin Fiege and Marvel Studios integrate the X-Men into the MCU... and I would be perfectly happy if they chose *not* to adapt the Dark Phoenix story a third time. Cei-U! I summon the ennui! According to my friends that follows X-MEN and this movie particularly about 50 percent of them agreed with sunofdarkchild comments above this thread and right now I've ZERO interest in this movie and wait until it's cable and might not even watch it and that's sad when I first saw the trailer of this movie. I totally understand where you are saying here. |
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Post by Duragizer on Jun 5, 2019 16:09:18 GMT -5
My interest in this film began at zero and it remains at zero. The cinematic X-Men were ruined right out of the gate by arch-hack Bryan Singer, and soft rebooting has done jack to improve the state of affairs. This looks par for the course for me.
I don't hold much faith in the Marvel Homogenized Universe doing the X-Men real justice, but Disney couldn't possibly do a worse job with the team than Fox has done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 16:15:07 GMT -5
Early reviews are pretty meh - not a monumental fiasco like Apocalypse, but not a triumph either. The trouble is... the whole reason that some of these massive comic stories work (and I'm thinking specifically about Dark Phoenix and Miller's Daredevil/Elektra/Bullseye) is that they're got literally years (decades!) of the readers getting to know the characters and how they relate to each other, and in both of these cases, subvert the prior history by (spoiler alert!) Jean going Dark or pretty much the whole content of that Miller run. So what happens for a film? The director or studio comes along and says "aha! I loved that story, that's the epic story, that's the story I will tell" and they just totally fail to understand that the setup over years is what gives the emotional payoff. So you had the "Affleck without fear" film, where the characters were barely introduced before they werre into their big epic story, and with Dark Phoenix, you've got New Jean, who gave an incredibly wooden performance in Apocalypse, and is now going Dark in a film set 10 years later (and we'll glide over the fact that X-Men chronoloy makes no sense at all), but by jumping forward, and failing to build an emotional connection to the character, you don't get the gut punch of X-Men 137, you just get... all you can possibly get is... oh, it's an action film with that wooden actress from the last crap film, and it's never ever going to live up to the epic nature of the source. I was going to say 'never live up to expectations' but I think expectations are pretty low for this one, out of the gate
This is what Marvel have done so well in their films (ten+ year build ups to multple payoffs in Endgame) and what Fox and Warners do so spectacularly badly.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 5, 2019 19:45:55 GMT -5
Sitting this one out. The last X-Men film I saw was "First Class" and it was decent enough. Thought about seeing Days of Future Past but never got around to it, and passed on Apocalypse because the reviews were so bad for it.
I completely agree with @simongarth regarding the problem with adapting iconic storylines into movies. There is so much that needs to be done in terms of character development and the like to pull something like that off, and it's impossible to do in 2.5 hours. It's a lot of telling instead of showing, and you can't make me care about something or someone by telling me that I should or need to.
As mentioned, Marvel did it right (for the most part, with a couple of missteps) by building up to Infinity War/Endgame over time. They made viewers care about the characters and because of that, the emotional moments had weight and evoked real feelings because we had spent 10 years investing in these characters and the shared universe. My older daughter still gets a little misty over the big death in Endgame, and she actually cried during the trailer for Far From Home that came out after Endgame because she cared about that character and the impact it was going to have moving forward. Granted, she's a 13-year old girl, so random things make her cry now and then, but she was truly devastated by Spider-Man's "death" in Infinity War and then the death in Endgame.
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Post by spoon on Jun 7, 2019 19:57:20 GMT -5
Early reviews are pretty meh - not a monumental fiasco like Apocalypse, but not a triumph either. The trouble is... the whole reason that some of these massive comic stories work (and I'm thinking specifically about Dark Phoenix and Miller's Daredevil/Elektra/Bullseye) is that they're got literally years (decades!) of the readers getting to know the characters and how they relate to each other, and in both of these cases, subvert the prior history by (spoiler alert!) Jean going Dark or pretty much the whole content of that Miller run. So what happens for a film? The director or studio comes along and says "aha! I loved that story, that's the epic story, that's the story I will tell" and they just totally fail to understand that the setup over years is what gives the emotional payoff. So you had the "Affleck without fear" film, where the characters were barely introduced before they werre into their big epic story, and with Dark Phoenix, you've got New Jean, who gave an incredibly wooden performance in Apocalypse, and is now going Dark in a film set 10 years later (and we'll glide over the fact that X-Men chronoloy makes no sense at all), but by jumping forward, and failing to build an emotional connection to the character, you don't get the gut punch of X-Men 137, you just get... all you can possibly get is... oh, it's an action film with that wooden actress from the last crap film, and it's never ever going to live up to the epic nature of the source. I was going to say 'never live up to expectations' but I think expectations are pretty low for this one, out of the gate
This is what Marvel have done so well in their films (ten+ year build ups to multple payoffs in Endgame) and what Fox and Warners do so spectacularly badly.
Yeah. It's hard to create the buildup you need prior to an epic comic storyline in feature films. It would be nice to adapt Dark Phoenix after the same actress has been playing Jean Grey in 4 or 5 previous films, but it's unlikely we'd ever see something like that. The advantage of Endgame was that it wasn't the culmination of just one series, but multiple series and standalone films being weaved together. And characters could get exposure beyond their own films series by taking a role in another character's film and being a member of the Avengers. The buildup would be more suited to a television series, but then you don't get the film budget. I guess it should've been a huge warning sign that one of the co-screenwriters (Simon Kinberg) that horribly botched the Phoenix storyline in X-Men: The Last Stand was hired as the writer/director of Dark Phoenix. Someone who built a previous Dark Phoenix around Storm and Wolverine as the two main characters, and killed off Cyclops and Prof. X mid-movie, shouldn't get anywhere near another retelling of this story. I want to support the X-Men franchise and I'm curious, but the reviews are so bad. I guess Disney/Marvel Studios is going to reboot 5 or so years down the line regardless of how this movie does. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 9, 2019 7:38:51 GMT -5
Sitting this one out. The last X-Men film I saw was "First Class" and it was decent enough. Thought about seeing Days of Future Past but never got around to it, and passed on Apocalypse because the reviews were so bad for it. I saw all the movies you mentioned on the small screen via DVD or streaming and I enjoyed them up until AoA. Go check out Days, it's worth it. |
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Post by Mormel on Jun 10, 2019 3:38:50 GMT -5
Sitting this one out. The last X-Men film I saw was "First Class" and it was decent enough. Thought about seeing Days of Future Past but never got around to it, and passed on Apocalypse because the reviews were so bad for it. I saw all the movies you mentioned on the small screen via DVD or streaming and I enjoyed them up until AoA. Go check out Days, it's worth it. I loved DoFP. It's a curious beast in that while it strays significantly from its source material, it keeps the spirit of that story intact. The dynamic between the scenes that take place in the future, and those that take place in the past, is pretty much the same as it is in the comics. I found it so good, that I could easily forgive them for not using Kitty as the central character, or for the odd interpretation of characters like Havok, Toad, and Bishop. As for Dark Phoenix, nothing in the reviews so far has sparked my interest in watching this movie in the cinema. I recently re-read the Dark Phoenix Saga, and it still stands as a brilliant piece of sequential art. From what I've heard and read, so many key elements of it seem to be missing from this movie that I see little point in watching it. And I actually liked Apocalypse! |
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