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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 27, 2019 15:17:29 GMT -5
It could be like we might pick a flower; straight up.
Byrne used Diablo in FF #232 so I guess he would've read that issue.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 28, 2019 18:12:23 GMT -5
While Byrne's FF run is his best work, I've always thought that his Alpha Flight was his most creative and innovative, even over his creator owned Next Men. Byrne's basic problem with Alpha Flight seems to be that they weren't created by Lee, Kirby or Ditko* and that they were originally created to battle the X-Men. So what? How many important characters started off as plot-derived adversary's for established heroes? They're great characters, underrated even.
*This is the criticism that makes the least sense to me. It's a very fan-turned-pro mentality, ironically enough, given Byrne's gripes about that phenomena. On one hand Byrne has stated that he takes pride that he's added to the Marvel Universe when he's created popular new characters, but on the other hand he seems to feel a sense of detachment if he has to go prolonged periods working with characters not created by Marvel's founding fathers. Strange.
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Post by badwolf on Jun 28, 2019 19:16:38 GMT -5
While Byrne's FF run is his best work, I've always thought that his Alpha Flight was his most creative and innovative, even over his creator owned Next Men. Byrne's basic problem with Alpha Flight seems to be that they weren't created by Lee, Kirby or Ditko* and that they were originally created to battle the X-Men. So what? How many important characters started off as plot-derived adversary's for established heroes? They're great characters, underrated even. *This is the criticism that makes the least sense to me. It's a very fan-turned-pro mentality, ironically enough, given Byrne's gripes about that phenomena. On one hand Byrne has stated that he takes pride that he's added to the Marvel Universe when he's created popular new characters, but on the other hand he seems to feel a sense of detachment if he has to go prolonged periods working with characters not created by Marvel's founding fathers. Strange. I was going to come to that when I got to the first issue but yeah...I can understand that he prefers to work with the characters he considers "classic", but to say that there's no point developing Alpha Flight, that doesn't make sense at all.
Alpha Flight is my second favorite Byrne work, after the FF.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 10, 2019 15:50:54 GMT -5
Marvel Two-in-One #83
"Where Stalks the Sasquatch!"
OUR STORY SO FAR: Ben Grimm's friend Bill Foster is dying from radiation poisoning acquired from a battle with a villain called Atom-Smasher in an earlier issue. Reed Richards has been trying to find a solution, but it isn't his area of expertise. He remembers hearing about Walter Langkowski, a dedicated radiologist and "a bit of an eccentric." Ben takes the pogo plane and heads north to seek his aid.
The chairman of Langkowski's university tells Ben that he's out on a wilderness retreat.
The scene changes to that vacation spot, as Walter expresses his boredom outside of the city. He's been at loose ends since Alpha Flight was disbanded and nothing else seems to give him the same kind of thrill. Accompanying him is his teammate Michael Twoyoungmen (a.k.a. Shaman), who mentions dark portents and fears a great evil is about to be unleashed. Exploring a nearby cave, they find some ancient etchings. Walter turns back to get their equipment, and Shaman triggers a switch that opens a hidden chamber.
Outside, Walter sees the pogo place coming down and recognizes the logo on its side, as well as its exiting occupant. He wonders if the Thing is the menace Shaman was hinting at, and initiates his transformation into Sasquatch. He greets the Thing, who asks how he knew who he was. Odd question since the FF are world-famous and have no secret identities.
Meanwhile, Shaman feels compelled to open a particular urn in the cave chamber, releasing RANARK THE RAVAGER, who has been imprisoned there for centuries. The earth shakes, and Ben misreads Sasquatch's stumbling for an attack. He starts the fight and this goes on for several pages...
Shaman recovers from Ranark's spell and attempts to stop him but to no avail. Ranark sends his consciousness out into the world and is appalled by what civilization has done to the world. Enraged, he vows to cleanse the planet and start it anew. He leaves his mountain prison, interrupting the Thing & Sasquatch's battle in the process. Sasquatch tells Thing that they must put aside their differences and join forces.
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It was established in the Hulk Annual that Sasquatch is 10 feet tall, only a few feet taller than the Hulk. Assuming Hulk and the Thing are around the same height, and they always seemed to be, that makes Sasquatch close to 20 feet tall on this cover. Well, it looks dramatic at least.
I don't know why Reed couldn't just give Langkowski a call. He says he may be "difficult to enlist" but surely Reed has enough clout to make it happen. He would do just that when he needed his help in an upcoming Fantastic Four issue. I guess his wife is more important.
I think this issue contains the dumbest example of "two heroes fight because of a misunderstanding" that I've ever seen.
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Post by rberman on Jul 10, 2019 16:04:56 GMT -5
If you find a mystic urn in a cave, you should:
(A) Open it (B) Smash it (C) Leave it alone (D) Call Dr. Strange
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 10, 2019 16:23:00 GMT -5
If you find a mystic urn in a cave, you should: (A) Open it (B) Smash it (C) Leave it alone (D) Call Dr. Strange Or you could do (A), (B) and (D), thus creating the premise for a solid story...
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Post by badwolf on Jul 10, 2019 17:32:26 GMT -5
For a prank, I'd call Dr. Strange and then open it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 10, 2019 17:35:51 GMT -5
It was established in the Hulk Annual that Sasquatch is 10 feet tall, only a few feet taller than the Hulk. Assuming Hulk and the Thing are around the same height, and they always seemed to be, that makes Sasquatch close to 20 feet tall on this cover. Well, it looks dramatic at least. Thing and Hulk have never been the same height. Ben is, according to the Marvel Universe Handbook, a 6-footer, a full foot shorter than ol' Purple Pants (and 8 inches shorter than Thor). The artwork rarely conforms to those stats, though, so it's easy to be confused.
Cei-U! I summon the tape measure!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 10, 2019 17:41:15 GMT -5
I love the very Canadian twist on the old “Welcome to (fill in the blank), (name of the hero), hope you survive the experience” meme!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 10, 2019 17:49:42 GMT -5
Man, we are 7 pages into this thread and still haven't ht Alpha Flight #1! Marvel really did take a long time to go to series with them, despite calls dating back to the letters pages of X-Men, after the first team appearance.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 10, 2019 17:55:09 GMT -5
I love the very Canadian twist on the old “Welcome to (fill in the blank), (name of the hero), hope you survive the experience” meme! Well, Canadians are very polite. (RIP John Candy and Rip Torn).
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Post by profh0011 on Jul 10, 2019 20:22:29 GMT -5
I think this issue contains the dumbest example of "two heroes fight because of a misunderstanding" that I've ever seen. That kinda describes the entire run of " MARVEL TEAM-UP". In fact, since Spider-Man was in pretty much every issue of that series, it makes Spider-Man, in particular, seem like the stupidest "super-hero" in comics history.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 11, 2019 8:51:32 GMT -5
I think this issue contains the dumbest example of "two heroes fight because of a misunderstanding" that I've ever seen. That kinda describes the entire run of " MARVEL TEAM-UP". In fact, since Spider-Man was in pretty much every issue of that series, it makes Spider-Man, in particular, seem like the stupidest "super-hero" in comics history.
Yeah, but this one seems particularly forced.
Sasquatch: *lurches slightly* Thing: OMG HE'S ATTACKING! GOTTA HIT HIM WITH ALL I'VE GOT!
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 11, 2019 9:16:05 GMT -5
That Two-in-One was written by Tom DeFalco, yes? He really had the anti-Midas touch in those days: everything he touched turned to crap. I truly despise his scripting in this era. He may've gotten better--I hear nice things about his Thor run--but if so, it happened after I walked away from Marvel.
Cei-U! I summon the hard pass!
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Post by rberman on Jul 11, 2019 9:21:22 GMT -5
I think this issue contains the dumbest example of "two heroes fight because of a misunderstanding" that I've ever seen. That kinda describes the entire run of " MARVEL TEAM-UP". In fact, since Spider-Man was in pretty much every issue of that series, it makes Spider-Man, in particular, seem like the stupidest "super-hero" in comics history.
Did anybody else notice that in the Spider-Man: Far From Home film, when Spider-Man got into Nick Fury's car, the license plate was "MTU..."? Another license plate was ASM.
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