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Post by shaxper on Jun 29, 2019 22:32:17 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone who has participated in this event thus far, but we're not done yet, and if you've been thinking about joining in, it isn't too late! You can still participate in each day of the event by going here if you are a registered member of the community. I will continue to count nominations thru July 2nd. The more participation we have, the better the final list, so please please please get involved. Today, we are unlocking Honorable Mentions. Essentially, you can list as many rumbles as you want that didn't make your top ten, and each gets points towards the final list. In past years, selections that only appeared in the honorable mentions did often make the final list when they were chosen by more than one person, so these DO matter. As a reminder, here is how final points are tabulated: 1st choice: 20 points 2nd choice: 18 points 3rd choice: 17 points 4th choice: 16 points 5th choice: 15 points 6th choice: 14 points 7th: choice: 13 points 8th choice: 12 points 9th choice: 11 points 10th choice: 10 points Honorable mention 1: 9 points Honorable mention 2: 8 points Honorable mention 3: 7 points Honorable mention 4: 6 points Honorable mention 5: 5 points Honorable mention 6: 4 points Honorable mention 7: 3 points Honorable mention 8: 2 points All other honorable mentions on your list: 1 point each So it is very possible for rumbles not mentioned in anyone's top ten to make the final Top 100 list. However, you must rank your honorable mentions. Please also include the standard info (where the rumble took place, who wrote and drew it). Honorable Mentions are the easiest way to break ties, so it really really helps if lots of people participate here and provide long long lists! After this, on July 2nd, I will be offering a series of tie-breaker threads to work out any and all ties not resolved by honorable mentions. In the end, so long as we get enough participation, we should end up with a pretty great list. So PLEASE participate, folks! |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 29, 2019 22:49:31 GMT -5
My honorable mentions:
Honorable mention 1 (9 pts): Guy Gardner vs. Batman, from Justice League (1987) #5, by Keith Giffen, J.M. DeMatteis, and Kevin MaGuire. "One punch, one punch!" This solidified the 1980s post-Frank Miller image of Batman as a total bad-ass and Guy Gardner as...well...a total ass. As much as I tired of both depictions pretty quickly, they worked beautifully here.
Honorable mention 2 (8 pts): Superman vs. Matrix, from Action Comics #644 (August 1989), by Roger Stern and George Perez. Just a truly kinetic battle royal that was truly FUN and exhilarating to watch.
Honorable mention 3 (7 pts): Kitty Pryde vs. the N'gari demon. It's already been covered twice, so I won't repeat myself.
Honorable mention 4 (6 pts): Grendel vs. Argent, version 1, from Grendel #3 (February 1984). I don't own this issue nor a reprint of it, and I'll be darned if I can even find a synopsis online, but if my memory serves, Grendel and arch-nemesis Argent fight each other to the point of exhaustion, where they end up just talking and (oddly enough) bonding on a roof top, realizing they are inevitably going to get back to destroying each other as soon as they find the energy. Just a totally unorthodox way to handle the unconventional bond between arch enemies in a climactic final battle.
Honorable mention 5 (5 pts): Usagi Yojimbo vs. Jei, from Usagi Yojimbo (1987) #10. thwhtguardian already wrote this one up quite impressively.
Honorable mention 6 (4 pts): Wonder Woman vs. the gun, from Wonder Woman (1987) #1, by George Perez and Greg Potter. The final climactic test of Wonder Woman's right to leave Paradise Island and enter man's world involves her protecting herself against a gun, and she has never seen a firearm before. The shift from total confidence to horrified naivety establishes the very baseline for Diana's growth throughout the series. It utterly defines her as a character and establishes her personal journey, all while the bullets fly and the action soars.
Honorable mention 7 (3 pts): Professor Xavier vs. The Shadow King. Already written up quite well in this event.
Honorable mention 8 (2 pts): Jason Todd vs. Crazy Quilt, from Batman #368 (February 1984), by Doug Moench and Don Newton. An idealistic Pre-Crisis Jason Todd works through his anxieties about becoming the second Robin, steps out into the field, and immediately gets savagely beaten by D list villain Crazy Quilt to an extent that rivals the Joker and the crowbar four years later in A Death in the Family. It's an utterly shocking, no-holds-barred demonstration of the risks a kid sidekick to Batman takes when putting on that costume each night, and Don Newton sells it beautifully.
Honorable mention 9 (1 pt): Batman vs. The Joker during Knightfall, from Batman #496 (July 1993) B Doug Moench and Jim Aparo. A fear-gassed Batman pushed beyond the point of exhaustion utterly unloads on the Joker, beating him beyond reason while almost incoherently screaming "Jason!" repeatedly as he is haunted by the hallucinogenic ghost of the sidekick Joker murdered. DAMN powerful moment.
Honorable mention 10 (1 pt): Madelyn Prior vs. Scott Summers. I hadn't even thought of this one until it came up during this event, and I couldn't agree more that it belongs on this list.
* I will edit and add more as I think of them. Everyone is welcome to do so thru July 2nd. On July 3rd, I tabulate!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 23:17:06 GMT -5
I may add more later, but for now... Honorable Mention #1 Destroy by Scott McCloud. The rumbliest of rumbles...it exists only to be a comic book rumble!   Honorable Mention #2 Conan vs. Elric by Thomas and Smith from Conan the Barbarian #14   Honorable Mention #3 Charlie Brown vs. Lucy and the football,,,every time CB lies bruised and battered on his back, every time. Sometimes it's not the kicks you land but the ones you miss that do the damage...It's one of those eternal struggles best depicted in this strip from November 1953...  Honorable Mention #4 along the same lines, the eternal struggle between Snoopy and the Red Baron, except this time Linus takes a hand, from December 1988...  Honorable mention #5 Kull vs. the Serpent Men from Kull the Conqueror #2 adapting The Shadow Kingdom by REH, art by Marie and John Severin  -M |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 23:25:50 GMT -5
Honorable Mention #6 Dr. Fate vs. the Mummy by Goodwin/Simonson from First Issue Special #9...  Honorable Mention #7 Spectre vs. Asmodeus Showcase #61 how can you not love kaiju Spectre fighting a demon who uses the earth as a blunt instrument?  and that pretty much exhausts the stuff I came up with as I brainstormed throughout the contest. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 23:31:50 GMT -5
oh and one more I did consider, so let's call it honorable mention #8, from the eternal rumble file...Road Runner vs. Wile E.Coyote from the 1975 Hostess ads...  -M |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 29, 2019 23:33:28 GMT -5
oh and one more I did consider, so let's call it honorable mention #8, from the eternal ruble file...Road Runner vs. Wile E.Coyote from the 1975 Hostess ads... I REALLY want your thoughts on this one! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 23:49:54 GMT -5
oh and one more I did consider, so let's call it honorable mention #8, from the eternal ruble file...Road Runner vs. Wile E.Coyote from the 1975 Hostess ads... I REALLY want your thoughts on this one! When I started thinking about the conflicts that defined comics and cartoons for me as a kid, the things that came to mind first were the eternal struggles-it may have been your comment on going home and starting up again as being two different rumbles that triggered it, but I found myself disagreeing with that assessment in the sense that most comic book struggles are in a sense timeless or eternal-the fight between hero a and villain b is really just 1 fight no matter how many times they face off, whether it's Batman vs. Joker or the FF vs. Doom or Bugs Bunny vs. Elmer Fudd or Yosemite Sam. The struggle is eternal and never resolved even if a particular round comes to a conclusion, and most cases who the winner is will be known before the fight even starts, yet the loser always maintains hope this time will be different. The Joker may get a leg up, but when the round ends, Batman always comes out on top, but we also always know there will be a next time (except after Batman #1 before it became apparent the struggle was eternal). It's the inherent peculiarity of the neverending story nature of comic book super-heroes, there never really is an ending and a new beginning, it's just the same struggle played over and over again, and so my thoughts turned to examples of that that were more up front and honest about this aspect...and things like Popeye vs. Bluto, Charlie Brown and the football, and Road Runner and Coyote came to mind, and I began to look for examples of them from print comics in some form and which one jogged actual memories like the Hostess ad featuring RR and coyote that I posted. In the end, most comic rumbles between archetypal opponents (i.e. Batman vs. the Joker, Spidey vs. the Goblin, etc.) takes on an aspect of Sisyphus and the rock, it's the same conflict played over and over again with the same result though the details may change, and even though the issue or story may end (or they go home as you put it), it will start again/continue as it is all part of the same eternal struggle. And things like Wile E. Coyote's quest for a Road Runner dinner just epitomize that for me. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 29, 2019 23:55:39 GMT -5
In the end, most comic rumbles between archetypal opponents (i.e. Batman vs. the Joker, Spidey vs. the Goblin, etc.) takes on an aspect of Sisyphus and the rock, it's the same conflict played over and over again with the same result though the details may change, and even though the issue or story may end (or they go home as you put it), it will start again/continue as it is all part of the same eternal struggle. And things like Wile E. Coyote's quest for a Road Runner dinner just epitomize that for me. -M Much as I disagree, I enjoy this perspective immensely. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 30, 2019 1:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 30, 2019 1:04:53 GMT -5
4. Superman/ Doomsday Superman #75
Jurgens/Brett Breeding 5. Nefaria/Avengers
Avengers # 166
Shooter/ Byrne/ Marcos
 6. GA Superman/ Antimonitor
Crisis On Infinite earths# 12
Wolfman/Perez/Ordway
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 30, 2019 1:08:31 GMT -5
7. Shang Chi/Midnight
Special Marvel Edition # 16
Englehart/ Starlin
 8. Superman /Hulk
Superman Spider-man treasury
Shooter/ Buscema/Sinnott
 9. Ironman /Dr. Doom
Ironman # 149, 150
Micheline/ Romita Jr./Layton
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 30, 2019 1:11:36 GMT -5
10. FF and Daredevil/ Dr Doom
FF # 39,40
Lee/ Kirby/ Wood/ Giacoia/Colletta
 11. Gladiator/ FF
FF # 249,250
Bryne 12. Warlock/Magus
Warlock # 9
Starlin/Milgrom
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Post by mrbrklyn on Jun 30, 2019 5:10:55 GMT -5
In the end, most comic rumbles between archetypal opponents (i.e. Batman vs. the Joker, Spidey vs. the Goblin, etc.) takes on an aspect of Sisyphus and the rock, it's the same conflict played over and over again with the same result though the details may change, and even though the issue or story may end (or they go home as you put it), it will start again/continue as it is all part of the same eternal struggle. And things like Wile E. Coyote's quest for a Road Runner dinner just epitomize that for me. -M Much as I disagree, I enjoy this perspective immensely. Enkidu blocked the entry to the marital chamber, and would not allow Gilgamreh to be brought in. They grappled with each other at the entry to the marital chamber, in the street they attacked each other, the public square of the land. The doorposts trembled and the wall shook, Gilgamesh bent his knees, with his other foot on the ground,
his anger abated and he turned his chest away.
After he turned his chest Enkidu said to Gilgamesh:
"Your mother bore you ever unique(!),
the Wild Cow of the Enclosure, Ninsun,
your head is elevated over (other) men,
Enlil has destined for you the kingship over the people." They kissed each other and became friends.
"His strength is the mightiest in the land!
His strength is as mighty as the meteorite of Anu,
The mother of Gilgamesh spoke to Gilgamesh, saying;
Rimat-Ninsun said to her son:
Rimar-Ninsun...
My son...
Plaintively ...
She went up into his (Shamash's) gateway,
plaintively she implored ...:
"Enkidu has no father or mother,
his shaggy hair no one cuts.
He was born in the wilderness, no one raised him."
Enkidu was standing there, and heard the speech.
He ... and sat down and wept,
his eyes filled with tears,
his arms felt limp, his strength weakened.
They took each other by the hand,
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Post by mrbrklyn on Jun 30, 2019 5:34:50 GMT -5
maybe a better translation:
In Uruk the bridal bed was made, fit for the goddess of love. The bride waited for the bridegroom, but in the night Gilgamesh got up and came to the house. Then Enkidu stepped out, he stood in the street and blocked the way. Mighty Gilgamesh came on and Enkidu met him at the gate. He put out his foot and prevented Gilgamesh from entering the house, so they grappled, holding each other like bulls. They broke the doorposts and the walls shook, they snorted like bulls locked together. They shattered the doorposts and the walls shook. Gilgamesh bent his knee with his foot planted on the ground and with a turn Enkidu was thrown. Then immediately his fury died. When Enkidu was thrown he said to Gilgamesh, ‘There is not another like you in the world. Ninsun, who is as strong as a wild ox in the byre, she was the mother who bore you, and now you are raised above all men, and Enlil has given you the kingship, for your strength sur-passes the strength of men.’ So Enkidu and Gilgamesh embraced and their friendship was sealed.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 30, 2019 7:20:38 GMT -5
1) Godzilla Versus...A Rat!?. By Doug Moench and Herb Trimpe. Godzilla #18. This is the one I really regret missing my list as it's just so fun. Moench and Trimpe did some great things with Godzilla in this masterpiece from the 70's but a pym particle shrunken Godzilla running rampant in the sewers of New York Really takes the cake. The stakes may be small but the action is still just as great as any Godzilla battle you've ever seen: 2) Hulk Vs. Thor by Eric Larson The Incredible Hulk Annual 2001: Hulk Versus Thor is a classic but this one is a favorite of mine not only because of the awesome slug fest but also because of the way Hulk "won"...with his words.  3) Batman Versus Jason Todd by Judd Winnik Batman #635 2004. I love the whole story but the first meeting between Batman and Jason as the Redhood is just awesome as Jason uses everything he learned from Bruce to get away. 4) Doctor Manhattan Versus Vietnam, by Allan Moore. This image has always stuck with me, not only the sheer power of Manhattan but the smile on his face as he unleashes hell:
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