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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 12:15:40 GMT -5
I once read an article about how a former US president (Jimmy Carter?) had solar panels on the White House's roof. I have no specific knowledge about solar power. But if it was a good thing, I am wondering why it hasn't been echoed since. From 1990 to 1992, Captain Planet and the Planeteers aired on TBS. There was also a short-lived Marvel title: In the series, five planeteers (representing Earth, fire, wind, water, and heart) are able to summon Captain Planet, who has all their powers. Captain Planet is an environmentally protective superhero (can we call him a superhero?) who protects the world and battles villains who want to damage our environment. To the best of my knowledge, the cartoon, and its spin-offs, came, saw and conquered. I have no idea if the franchise has existed in any form since its prime. I do remember the late 80s/early 90s as being very environmentally aware. At school, we were constantly told about environmental issues (and the Green Party did very well in the European elections). So the early-to-mid 90s was the right time for a superhero devoted to environmental issues. Captain Planet and the Planeteers came along at the right time. But where are the environmentally friendly superheroes now? Are there any? Environmental issues are no doubt still important in the minds of people and our elected representatives. Could an environmentally-friendly superhero, at any publisher, work? Or was Captain Planet and the Planeteers a flash in the pan? A product of his era? A one-off? I'm throwing questions out there rather than coming to conclusions. Which is what a forum is about after all. Looking forward to any answers people may have.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 6, 2019 12:56:46 GMT -5
THats kind of the way Ms. Mystic started. There’s isn’t much potential for adventure with the same subject, I imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 13:13:29 GMT -5
Not much excitement in fighting pollution, etc?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 6, 2019 13:34:04 GMT -5
Swamp Thing had a strong environment slant, particularly during the Moore and Veitch years!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 13:50:09 GMT -5
I suppose another thing worth considering is that such a character might get stale due to his/her villains being primarily environment-destroying rogues.
The likes of Bats and Spidey have a wide range of foes. With Captain Planet, I don't recall anything other than eco-villains.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 6, 2019 14:40:01 GMT -5
I suppose another thing worth considering is that such a character might get stale due to his/her villains being primarily environment-destroying rogues. The likes of Bats and Spidey have a wide range of foes. With Captain Planet, I don't recall anything other than eco-villains. When you said that, the image of Hedorah came to mind! They don’t come as environmentally unfriendly as the one and only Smog Monster!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 6, 2019 14:52:45 GMT -5
Captain Planet did very well, though! It ran for five years, over two series, with more than 100 episodes produced. (Some of them might be repackaged reruns, I am not a Captain Planet expert.) Wikipedia has a list of cartoons that debuted in 1990 and here in America C. P. was probably the most important in terms of cultural impact and generation-definining-ness. (I never hear anyone talk about Tiny Toons anymore.) It didn't turn into the 1% of shows that have entered multi-generational public consciousness ala the Flinstones, Scooby Doo or My Little Pony but it was a relatively very successful animated series.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 19:35:26 GMT -5
I suppose another thing worth considering is that such a character might get stale due to his/her villains being primarily environment-destroying rogues. The likes of Bats and Spidey have a wide range of foes. With Captain Planet, I don't recall anything other than eco-villains. When you said that, the image of Hedorah came to mind! They don’t come as environmentally unfriendly as the one and only Smog Monster! That movie Godzilla vs the Smog (Hedorah) Monster was the weirdest, strangest, and most insane Kaiju movies that TOHO Studios put together. BTW ... I liked the Smog Monster, but not the concept and the idea that came from it and that movie is one of worst in the SHOWA Era of Godzilla movies. Hedorah got no respect in Godzilla Final Wars and he was killed by Godzilla as soon the aliens placed him on Earth.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 6, 2019 21:25:42 GMT -5
Besides Swamp Thing, other comics did the odd environmental story. There were some in the 70s and at other points. Concrete had strong environmental slants and did an Earth Day special.
Oh, those solar panels that Carter had installed? Ronald Reagan had them removed after he took office. Much of Carter's initiatives into alternate energy research was quietly defunded, down sized, or outright cancelled, with no one batting an eye when gas prices stabilized, in the 80s. US autos and car buying had moved to more fuel efficient, smaller vehicles; but, we reversed that in about a decade or so.
We need more indians crying in commercials about pollution. And a more militant Woodsy Owl.
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Post by foxley on Jul 7, 2019 4:13:27 GMT -5
In my experience, comic book fans tend to be fairly socially aware any way. Reading about an environmental superhero would just feel like you we're being preached at about a cause you already believe in, which would get annoying really quickly. And, if you don't support environmental causes, you're not going to pick up a book about an environmental superhero.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 4:34:27 GMT -5
That's an important point. Things can feel preachy at times. Some (not necessarily myself) feel that the last season of Doctor Who was preachy about history.
I realise it's a delicate balance. But I have to say, at the time Captain Planet and the Planeteers was airing, I was receiving all the "preaching" I could take in geography lessons. Or during assembly. Oh, and in science lessons too! The last thing I wanted after school was more preaching, hence the reason I probably watched the show sporadically.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 7, 2019 5:20:11 GMT -5
Some (not necessarily myself) feel that the last season of Doctor Who was preachy about history. ...while also playing entirely fast and lose with the actual historical facts, in order to push some vague, ill-defined liberal moralising. I don't like Doctor Who anyway, but I dislike historical revisionism -- especially revisionism designed to push a political agenda -- even more.
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Post by foxley on Jul 7, 2019 5:27:38 GMT -5
Some (not necessarily myself) feel that the last season of Doctor Who was preachy about history. ...while also playing entirely fast and lose with the actual historical facts, in order to push some vague, ill-defined liberal moralising. I don't like Doctor Who anyway, but I dislike historical revisionism -- especially revisionism designed to push a political agenda -- even more. So Rosa Parks is some kind of lie created by the liberal media elite?
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 7, 2019 5:46:20 GMT -5
...while also playing entirely fast and lose with the actual historical facts, in order to push some vague, ill-defined liberal moralising. I don't like Doctor Who anyway, but I dislike historical revisionism -- especially revisionism designed to push a political agenda -- even more. So Rosa Parks is some kind of lie Kiiiiind of. Rosa Parks refuesed to give up her seat on the bus, but the incident was pre-planned, not spontaneous, and designed to lead to the Mississippi bus boycott that followed. I've heard it described as a staged recreation of what 15 year old Claudette Colvin did on here own 9 months earlier.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 7, 2019 6:08:54 GMT -5
...while also playing entirely fast and lose with the actual historical facts, in order to push some vague, ill-defined liberal moralising. I don't like Doctor Who anyway, but I dislike historical revisionism -- especially revisionism designed to push a political agenda -- even more. So Rosa Parks is some kind of lie created by the liberal media elite? Of course not. However, I will say that from what I saw of the Rosa Parks episode (and I only checked it out because of the bad things I read about it on here) it was a cartoonish and shallow re-telling of events, with a healthy does of moral outrage that people from the past didn't have the same socio-political mores as we do today. Well, d'oh! The racists in the program were far too stereotyped, with "reasons" for their hated. The truth is that racism back then in places like Montgomery, Alabama was entirely institutional. Most people weren't racist for any particular reason...they were just racist. For example, I know for a fact that the bus driver in the Rosa Parks case was entirely unrepentant in later years. As far as he was concerned, he wasn't doing anything differently with Parks from what he'd done countless times before. Ultimately, I think the episode reduced an important historical event to a two-dimensional cartoon. But that was nothing compared to the episode about Indian/Pakistan partition, which was pure historical revisionism. It suggested or implied that the partitioning of the Indian continent into India and Pakistan was the fault of the dastardly, wicked British. That's completely untrue: the British were totally opposed to dividing the country up in that way. It was the Indian Muslims -- principally their leader, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, who became the first governor of Pakistan -- that pushed for it. He was adamant that Muslims in the Indian subcontinent should get their own state. In the elections immediately after the end of WW2, the Muslim League won the majority of Muslim seats, giving them the political clout to push for Jinnah's dream. When negotiations for the ending of the British Raj and Indian independence began, the Indian Congress and the Muslim League couldn't agree on a power-sharing deal for the country...mostly due to Jinnah's hardline beliefs and unwillingness to compromise. Jawaharlal Nehru, Mahatma Gandhi and the English Viceroy of India, Lord Louis Mountbatten, were all utterly opposed to the breaking up of the country. But although they tried their hardest to avoid it, they reluctantly came to realise that Jinnah and the Muslim League were immovable on the matter. So, reluctantly, partitioning was the only option. However, the British knew that partitioning would cause a huge humanitarian crisis and unnecessary bloodshed...and that's exactly what happened. They resisted and fought passionately against partition, but Jinnah was adamant about the creation of the Muslim state of Pakistan. In particular, I always felt sorry for Mountbatten; he was quite a moderate among the British and certainly a humanitarian. It was his job to oversee the handing back of the subcontinent and, as it turned out, the dividing up of the country into Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. It's a shame because he was utterly opposed to partition and ultimately the whole process bore his name, as The Mountbatten Plan. He always felt ashamed of that, apparently, and as I say, it was never something he wanted That episode of Doctor Who which used partitioning as a back drop willfully distorted the facts in order to criticise the ruling British of the times. Instead, should've been criticising Jinnah and the Muslim League...but that wouldn't have suited the anti-British agenda they wanted to push in the program, would it? There's plenty of legitimate criticisms to level at the British Empire in India, without rewriting history to insinuate that partition was the British's idea. That kind of wilful revisionism is offensive in the extreme.
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