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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 5:01:38 GMT -5
So true:
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 21, 2022 16:45:42 GMT -5
Not to wax philosophical, but the inevitability of life is that there also is death
If Garth Ennis' Crossed wasn't so gleefully gory and obscene, I'd actually recommend it to people over the Walking Dead because the premise is actually kind of neat in a way
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 22, 2022 7:34:40 GMT -5
I like the black and gold the best color wise.. I LOVED Dibiase as a kid... I never really saw him outside WWF (before my time) but I've heard from various sources how good he was, and I believe it... the times he wrestled he was always good.
Kinda like how they use MJF really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 7:46:09 GMT -5
Did Ted DiBiase pay you to post a flattering comment? Everyone has their price!!!
The Legends of Mid-South Wrestling DVD features some DiBiase matches/moments.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 22, 2022 23:37:18 GMT -5
Did Ted DiBiase pay you to post a flattering comment? Everyone has their price!!! The Legends of Mid-South Wrestling DVD features some DiBiase matches/moments. Not nearly enough. Loved what they gave us (except for JR re-recording commentary); but it didn't even slightly scratch the surface. You could do a whole set of just the Midnight Express and Rock N Roll Express, the Rat Pack, Magnum TA and Wrestling II, Dr Death & DiBiase as a team, Hot Stuff & Hyatt International........ Here's DiBiase and Duggan, from Houston.... DiBiase, as North American Champion, defending against Pat Patterson..... That title evolved into the Intercontinental Championship, with the fictional Rio match. Looks like they kept the same belt
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Post by commond on Nov 22, 2022 23:45:57 GMT -5
Ted doesn't have a great rep in the circles I move in, but I love his Mid-South brawls with Duggan and Magnum TA. Everyone should watch the classic DiBiase vs. Duggan No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match. I love the famous television match against Flair, as well.
He had his moments in the WWF. His matches against Bret were excellent. I absolutely love the match he had against Virgil at SummerSlam '91 with Rowdy Piper on commentary.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 22, 2022 23:53:23 GMT -5
Some old school fun with Angelo Poffo and Wilbur Snyder, from the Chicago International Ampitheater....
I always loved Snyder, when he would wrestle on the WWA shows (which wasn't as often as I would have liked). He was smooth as silk, mixed mat wrestling with power stuff, and was a heck of a lot more entertaining, in the ring, than Dick the Bruiser. Bruiser's matches were punches and blood, often with Bobby Heenan doing the bleeding and the bouncing around for him.
Early 70s WWA had good stuff, with Heenan, The Blackjacks, the Valiant Brothers, Snyder, Golden Boy Paul Christie, Yukon Moose Cholak, and Cowboy Bob Ellis....
I saw a little of that, while visiting my grandparents; but, I mostly saw later stuff, where the highlights were The Young Lions, Steve Regal & Spike Huber (the sons-in-law of Wilbur Snyder & Dick The Bruiser, respectively), Paul Christy, and Snyder, when he would wrestle. The Great Wojo was a babyface rookie, when I first caught their show, locally, then later a heel, when we picked up a Peoria station, on our cable system. He was a legit amateur and could go on the mat, but lacked the charisma to be an exciting pro, heel or babyface. However, if mat wrestling was central to the match, he was good. here he is with a protege.....some kid called Scott Rechsteiner.....
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 23, 2022 0:02:01 GMT -5
ps Rick started out with his real name, too, wrestling as Rob Rechsteiner, before it was changed to Rick Steiner, in the UWF (though he started with the Rob Rechsteiner name, there). Here is a treat of Rob and Rick Gantner (Bull Pain) as a team, against the AWA World Tag-Team Champions.......
THE ROAD WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 23, 2022 0:08:49 GMT -5
Ted doesn't have a great rep in the circles I move in, but I love his Mid-South brawls with Duggan and Magnum TA. Everyone should watch the classic DiBiase vs. Duggan No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match. I love the famous television match against Flair, as well. He had his moments in the WWF. His matches against Bret were excellent. I absolutely love the match he had against Virgil at SummerSlam '91 with Rowdy Piper on commentary. As a human being, DiBiase is a carny....as a wrestler, he was tops, heel or babyface.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 7:27:45 GMT -5
WCW World War 3 1997 aired on PPV 25 years ago today: In typical incompetent WCW fashion, Roddy Piper was shown on the poster despite not appearing on the PPV. WCW rarely got anything right, eh? The 60-man battle royal concept was always just a tad unwieldy for me (even 40 would have been less cumbersome). Can’t say many World War 3 events appealed to me, but I guess that WCW wanted something akin to the Royal Rumble. Scott Hall won this event to get a world title shot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 7:21:38 GMT -5
There was much written about plans for Ultimate Warrior to turn heel in 1992 - and face WWF Champion Bret Hart at the 1993 Royal Rumble. Whether there was any substance to those rumours, I do not know. It was mentioned again recently in a magazine article.
Personally, Warrior, being presented as 100% superhero, would not have worked as a heel, not unless he was a destructive monster. Would his promos have been required to be different? Would the gimmick have survived a heel turn?
It was right for Hogan to turn heel in 1996. And with that came a different look but there were times when even that was odd, e.g. Hogan acting like a coward rather than the heroic fighter he’d been presented as. Nothing about the Warrior’s looks, promos or character could have transitioned to being a heel, so I could only have seen it work with a complete change of gimmick. And with such a change, would he have been the Ultimate Warrior in anything but name?
What do you think?
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 24, 2022 15:58:32 GMT -5
There was much written about plans for Ultimate Warrior to turn heel in 1992 - and face WWF Champion Bret Hart at the 1993 Royal Rumble. Whether there was any substance to those rumours, I do not know. It was mentioned again recently in a magazine article. Personally, Warrior, being presented as 100% superhero, would not have worked as a heel, not unless he was a destructive monster. Would his promos have been required to be different? Would the gimmick have survived a heel turn? It was right for Hogan to turn heel in 1996. And with that came a different look but there were times when even that was odd, e.g. Hogan acting like a coward rather than the heroic fighter he’d been presented as. Nothing about the Warrior’s looks, promos or character could have transitioned to being a heel, so I could only have seen it work with a complete change of gimmick. And with such a change, would he have been the Ultimate Warrior in anything but name? What do you think? I could actually see the Ultimate Warrior as a heel. To me, his gimmick was that he was a raving, steroid addled maniac who wore bright colors and always went 100 mph. I don't see a big problem making him a heel. Where I did have a problem was Jack the Snake Roberts turning face. I never bought his gimmick as a face. First of all, draping a python over your fallen opponent is NOT something a good guy would do. Second of all, we tend to equate snake with underhandedness and evil in our society. Third of all is the whole animal cruelty thing. I also never bought Brutus the Barber Beefcake's babyface gimmick. Cutting all the hair off a fallen opponent, or chasing them around with sharp garden shear - not something a face should do. For that matter, George the Animal Steele always bit his opponents and acted like a generally disrupted maniac, physically assaulting the ref more than once. Compared to those questionable matches between gimmick and good guy/bad guy, I don't see any difficulty in the Warrior becoming a heel. That's less of a stretch than those other characters, IMHO.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 24, 2022 23:33:52 GMT -5
It will mean more next year, but this is the 39th anniversary of the original Starrcade, with Ric Flair challenging Harley Race to regain the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. In the semi-main event, Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood defeated the Briscos to regain the World Tag-Team Championship.
Originally, Hulk Hogan was to appear on the card; but, as he did with his AWA dates, he reneged on it, after taking Vince McMahon's money to come to the WWF.
Dusty Rhodes was involved in the conception of the event, which helped lead to his becoming the booker for Jim Crockett and the dawn of a new era there. Here is the full card:
The Assassins (Jody Hamilton & Hercules Hernandez) defeated the team of Rufus R Jones & Bugsy McGraw. Paul Jones managed the Assassins and Hercules Hernandez was still a rookie, put with Hamilton, who was one of the classic Assassins team, for seasoning. Hernandez would move on to Mid-South.
Kevin Sullivan & Mark Lewin defeated Scott McGhee & Johnny Weaver. Gary Hart managed Sullivan & Lewin, who were booked in from Florida, where they had been feuding with Dusty Rhodes. Hart had been working Mid-Atlantic, managing The Great Kabuki.
Abdullah the Butcher defeated Carlos Colon. This was a match from the World Wrestling Council, in Puerto Rico. Crockett and Colon often cooperated in matches in Puerto Rico and Colon and a few of the PR crew got occasional shots in Mid-Atlantic. For instance, Flair faced Colon with the NWA and WWC titles on the line, to crown the original WWC Universal champion.
Bob Orton Jr & Dick Slater defeated Mark Youngblood and Wahoo McDaniel. Orton & Slater were involved in the storyline for the main event, as they attacked Ric Flair and injured him, to earn a bounty placed on him by Harley Race. Mark Youngblood was the younger brother of Jay Youngblood (both sons of Ricky Romero) and this teaming would eventually lead to a heel turn, by Wahoo. Wahoo was a damn good heel, too.
Charlie Brown (Jimmy Valiant, under a mask) defeated The Great Kabuki. Hart managed Kabuki. The NWA TV title, held by Kabuki, was on the line for the first 15 minutes, but Brown's mask was on the line for the whole match. Brown won the title and prevented exposure as Valiant. Valiant had lost a loser-leaves-town match, thanks to interference, and used the mask gimmick to wrestle until his suspension was up.
Roddy Piper defeated Greg Valentine in a dog collar match. Previously, Valentine had defeated Piper for the US title and injured Piper's ear. This was the rematch. Piper bladed the ear; but, did, allegedly, suffer hearing damage in the ear, in either this match or the previous one.
Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood, in a rematch, defeated Jack and Gerry Brisco for the World Tag-Team titles. Steamboat and Youngblood had drawn massively in their previous victory for the titles, over Sgt Slaughter and Don Kernodle. The Briscos turned heel, in challenging them for the belts and defeated them. This was the rematch and the babyfaces won the titles. However, the team would break up, in the coming year, as Steamboat had grown tired of having to babysit Youngblood, on the road, as he had serious substance abuse issues. Steamboat went solo, while Youngblood teamed with brother Mark, before dying of a heart attack, in 1985. Angelo Mosca, who was working Mid-Atlantic, was the special referee.
Ric Flair defeated Harley Race, for the NWA World title, in a cage. Gene Kiniski, the former NWA World Champion, was the special referee. The card was built around this match, with Flair seeking to regain the title he had loss to Race and also gain revenge for Race's bounty, which saw Slater & Orton injure Flair.
The card took place at the Greensboro Collusseum, with a live attendance of 15,000+, and closed circuit broadcasting several locations, drawing another 30,000.
Yet another of those "smoke-filled bingo halls, " that the WWE claims were the venues for pro wrestling, before they went national.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 5:05:36 GMT -5
The card took place at the Greensboro Collusseum, with a live attendance of 15,000+, and closed circuit broadcasting several locations, drawing another 30,000. Yet another of those "smoke-filled bingo halls, " that the WWE claims were the venues for pro wrestling, before they went national. It does make me smile how WWE has often tried to rewrite history. At times, I can understand why. Hogan/Andre at WrestleMania III is a good example, I suppose. No point hyping the match with “Hogan and Andre have wrestled before, Andre has been defeated before, and at least five wrestlers bodyslammed him in the past”. So I get that they had to present this Hogan/Andre bout as a ‘new match’, with an ‘undefeated’ Andre that had ‘never been bodyslammed’. I get that. Other times, it can be laughable, eh? If there’s one thing most of us wrestling fans have in common, it’s a knowledge of history, including promotions, matches and wrestlers from before our time. I remember reading about an “outlaw promotion” called the International Wrestling Association, run by Eddie Einhorn. He had plans (due to his clout/TV connections) to make the IWA a national promotion, a decade or so before Vince tried it; I also read how Einhorn “poached” stars from other companies, including the WWWF. Yet with history being written by the victors, we’re presented with a tale of Vince being the first guy to take wrestling out of the territorial era. Someone could write a good book debunking myths about “smoke-filled bingo halls” and the like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 5:11:06 GMT -5
There was much written about plans for Ultimate Warrior to turn heel in 1992 - and face WWF Champion Bret Hart at the 1993 Royal Rumble. Whether there was any substance to those rumours, I do not know. It was mentioned again recently in a magazine article. Personally, Warrior, being presented as 100% superhero, would not have worked as a heel, not unless he was a destructive monster. Would his promos have been required to be different? Would the gimmick have survived a heel turn? It was right for Hogan to turn heel in 1996. And with that came a different look but there were times when even that was odd, e.g. Hogan acting like a coward rather than the heroic fighter he’d been presented as. Nothing about the Warrior’s looks, promos or character could have transitioned to being a heel, so I could only have seen it work with a complete change of gimmick. And with such a change, would he have been the Ultimate Warrior in anything but name? What do you think? I could actually see the Ultimate Warrior as a heel. To me, his gimmick was that he was a raving, steroid addled maniac who wore bright colors and always went 100 mph. I don't see a big problem making him a heel. Where I did have a problem was Jack the Snake Roberts turning face. I never bought his gimmick as a face. First of all, draping a python over your fallen opponent is NOT something a good guy would do. Second of all, we tend to equate snake with underhandedness and evil in our society. Third of all is the whole animal cruelty thing. I also never bought Brutus the Barber Beefcake's babyface gimmick. Cutting all the hair off a fallen opponent, or chasing them around with sharp garden shear - not something a face should do. For that matter, George the Animal Steele always bit his opponents and acted like a generally disrupted maniac, physically assaulting the ref more than once. Compared to those questionable matches between gimmick and good guy/bad guy, I don't see any difficulty in the Warrior becoming a heel. That's less of a stretch than those other characters, IMHO. You make a compelling case, sir! I can definitely understand why draping a python over a fallen foe is not something a hero would do, even though I enjoyed it at the time. I wonder, if the WWF had presented a face vs face match (such as Jake vs Tito Santana), would he have done the same? So, yes, based on your case (are you a lawyer?), I could see why Warrior *might* have worked as a heel. Maybe I can’t imagine it due to his babyface run being so ingrained in me. I think what would have needed to change is his entrance and entrance theme - as the run to the ring and that theme are very babyface qualities/traits. I suppose subtle changes could have occurred, didn’t they remix Bret Hart’s theme a tad when he turned heel? Eddie Guerrero’s theme changed slightly, too. I think walking to the ring with a cocky demeanour is a heel thing, e.g. Lex Luger during his heel stages, but it’s more of a babyface trait to walk quickly/run. One thing about a Warrior heel run is that we’d have had fresh match-ups, such as Warrior vs. El Matador, Warrior vs. Bret Hart, or Warrior vs. Big Boss Man.
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