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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 16, 2024 21:53:22 GMT -5
Please, did any of them gnaw on bones before beating the tar out of people?
Moondogs for the win!
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 16, 2024 21:59:04 GMT -5
Just saw the news about Afa. His health has been bad for a while; but it is so weird that it comes so close on the heels of the death of his brother. Maybe that was the last straw, mentally, that made him give up the fight. Maybe it's just weird timing.
First saw the brothers in Georgia, with Sunny King as a manager, before they left, while still National Tag-Team Champions. They weren't my cup of tea, on tv, in squash matches, with long sequences with guys in trapezius "nerve" holds. Still, put them in a competitive match with a great babyface team and they were great. After they left, Hawk joined Animal and they come out as the new National champions and just start clobbering enhancement guys. The difference was that Afa and Sika knew how to work, by that point, and didn't really beat the crap out of opponents, like the Road Warriors did, for a while.
Kind of wished I had been able to see them in the WWF, against Garea & Martel.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Aug 16, 2024 23:24:58 GMT -5
Having watched more Samoans than most folks, I feel like, and commond will definitely agree, the best Samoan matches are from their brief babyface run in 1984, specifically against the North South Connection. And if you want to see a match that will truly melt your brain, seek out Afa vs Dick Murdoch from Oct, 84 MSG. The all-time broomstick performance from Murdoch
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 17, 2024 8:23:13 GMT -5
Last night’s viewing: Okay, there are make-up tips from Sensational Queen Sherri on this tape. Usual Coliseum segments. How can I possibly review those? I’m sure someone enjoyed it. There were also some really easy trivia questions. Anyway, Sean Mooney, in a cowboy outfit, hosts this one. Razor Ramon vs. The UndertakerThis was a decent bout, with Razor unfazed by the mystique of the Undertaker, but as neither man was going to be losing here, we get the “obligatory” double count out. The match was what I expected, nothing more, nothing less. WWF Intercontinental Champion Bret Hart vs. Shawn MichaelsThis is the workrate match of the tape, I guess. These two probably never had a bad match; in fact, many of their bouts were included on Coliseum releases, proving how talented they are. Bret wins via pinfall here. 40-Man Battle RoyalI love battle royals, mainly for the novelty of seeing face vs. face and heel vs. heel. As it’s a 40-man battle royal, there are enhancement talent wrestlers included (I do prefer 20 and 30-man battle royals). Bret Hart wins this one after surviving a double-team by the Beverly Brothers. Funny how some battle royals often ended up with a heel tag team and a face wrestler as the final three. You’d think wrestling was scripted or something, wouldn’t you? Tatanka vs. Rick “The Model” MartelI never particularly enjoyed this feud, and we get a rather so-so match here, which ends with Tatanka winning via pinfall. Paul Ellering & The LOD vs. The Genius & The Beverly BrothersI always enjoyed seeing the spoilt, rich brats get a kicking from the likes of the LOD. With Ellering and the Genius involved here, there’s even more fun, although they don’t do much. Hawk pins Beau to end this one. El Matador & Virgil vs. Money Inc.All four seem motivated here (I mention that as some wrestling ‘journalists’ seemed to have disdain for Santana and Virgil). It’s a spirited bout, but the dastardly heels get the win: Virgil goes to suplex IRS, but DiBiase grabs Virgil’s leg and holds onto it, allowing IRS to get the pin. DiBiase no doubt had studied the end of the Warrior/Rude match from WM V. WWF Champion Macho Man vs. Repo ManSo I guess Repo Man became no. 1 contender to the WWF Championship, right? Not sure who he leapfrogged ahead of to get that status. WWF logic, eh? Anyway, this bout is okay, and it won’t surprise you to know that Macho Man won via pinfall. Ultimate Warrior & Undertaker vs. Papa Shango & BerzerkerThere’s a real novelty of seeing Warrior team with Undertaker, given their feud in 1991, perhaps akin to seeing Superman team up with Darkseid, should Darkseid have reformed. Berzerker and Papa Shango are strange bedfellows, but they do work well together. On a cartoony level, and I did enjoy all kinds of wrestling back then, it’s fun, with Warrior and Taker vanquishing the heels after Warrior pins Berzerker, who then, badly dazed, trips over the ropes and falls to the floor. Heroism prevails. SummaryMacho Man/Repo Man and Tatanka/Martel aside, there’s an enjoyable mix of bouts aside, culminating in a fun tag bout. Definitely one of the better Coliseum releases.
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Post by commond on Aug 17, 2024 18:00:35 GMT -5
This is nice from Jim Rugg.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 17, 2024 22:28:21 GMT -5
My only critique is that he doesn't have Flair's kneepads quite right. He wore them below the knee; but, they wended to be bigger than depicted. He hasn't really captured Bill Mercer, either. Everybody else I could look at, without any text and say, "Yeah, there's Kerry and Flair, Michael Hayes and a sort of Terry Gordy (head a little more Andre than Bam-Bam) and the ref kind of looks like David Manning. he's capture the Domed Globe NWA World title belt well.
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Post by commond on Aug 18, 2024 7:35:35 GMT -5
It looks like Jim is drawing from reference. Flair's kneepads look pretty accurate as to how they appear in the match.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 18, 2024 8:13:22 GMT -5
I saw In Your House 1 from 1995. This is in Syracuse, NY, with Vince McMahon and Dok Hendrix (Michael Hayes) on commentary. This PPV was half the cost of the other WWF PPV’s of the time. Bret Hart will wrestle twice (thanks to Jerry Lawler’s haranguing) and we have Diesel vs. Psycho Sid for the WWF championship, plus a King of the Ring qualifier. First match is Bret Hart vs. Hakushi (w/Shinja)
Bret wins after a little over 14 minutes with a victory roll (sort of) for the pin. Nice to see him win without the sharpshooter. I like when wrestlers win without their closing move. Overall, this was an excellent match. They didn’t bother to show any replays. This is on area where WCW is much better than the WWF at this point in time. Also, in this match, the crowd starts a “USA” chant…in a wrestling match between a Canadian and a Japanese wrestler. Sometimes I’m embarrassed to be an American. Razor Ramon vs. Jeff Jarrett and The Roadie
This was supposed to be a tag match, with the 1-2-3 Kid teaming with Ramon, but he was injured. I don’t know if the injury was legit or not, but I assume that it was. Unfortunately, Razor decided to go with a handicap match. I hate gimmick matches, but let’s see how this goes. After some pretty good action and story, double J bumps into Roadie on the apron and Razor puts the Razor’s Edge on Jarrett for the win after about twelve and a half minutes. This was a pretty good match. I was surprised that Jarrett ate the pin instead of Roadie, but it’s good to be surprised sometimes. After the match, Jarrett and Roadie gang up on Razor and start beating on him, until some unidentified “fan” charges in and takes both of them on for the save, then is escorted out by the police. This would later be revealed to be Razor’s buddy, Savio Vega (formerly Kang). Next is a King of the Ring Qualifying Match: Mabel (w/Mo) vs. Adam Bomb
Mabel wins this match in under 2 minutes with a forward body slam after Bomb had gotten in most of the offense in the match. Not a particularly good match or anything, but it was short and Bomb actually did do some cool things in this match, some things I’d never seen from him before. Next match is for the WWF Tag Team Championships: Yokozuna and Owen Hart (w/Jim Cornette and Mr. Fuji) vs. The Smoking Gunns (Billy and Bart Gunn)
Bart goes sailing out of the ring, where Yoko gives him a leg drop on the floor (the ref was busy with Billy) then rolls him back in so that Owen can get the easy pin in under 6 minutes and the champs retain. This was a pretty good match. Owen was very good and the Gunns are a pretty solid tag team and again, this match was fairly short. Jerry “The King” Lawler vs. Bret Hart
Bret Hart dominates this match, knocking Lawler all over the place. However, we get the dreaded ref bump (seriously, does EVERY PPV have to have a ref bump) and as the ref is tied up in the ropes (thanks to Shinja) he does not see Hakushi give Bret the elbow off the tope rope, allowing Lawler to recover for the pin, as the ref has now conveniently recovered. And we get another cheap win by Lawler over Bret, setting up the infamous “kiss my feet” match. This was not a very good match by Bret Hart standards, but not awful either. It served its purpose. Next is the main event, for the WWF Title: Diesel (champ) Vs Sycho Sid w/ Ted Dibiase
Vince loves his big men, doesn’t he? Anyway, Sid does get to powerbomb (his finisher) Diesel, but poses for too long, allowing Diesel to kick out at 2, and Sid is shocked. Diesel then applies his own powerbomb (AKA the Jackknife) but Tatanka runs out to interferer and cause the DQ finish, which will obviously set up a rematch. This was a bad match, especially for a PPV main event. Overall, I thought that this was a decent PPV, especially as it was “half price”. An excellent opening match, a bad main event, and all the matches in between ranged from acceptable to quite entertaining (though short). Great write-up as ever, dbutler69 , and I’d love an excuse to share the pages as covered in WWF Magazine: Okay, this event wasn’t shown live in the UK. I did like the idea of PPVs of lesser renown, it made the Big Five feel special, although at the time, I thought we’d be getting too much of a good thing. Between the WWF and WCW, there were 18 PPVs available for wrestling fans in ‘95. Us Brits got some of those included “free” as part of our Sky Sports packages, but could any American have afforded 18 PPVs? However, it did show up on VHS - with two “dark matches” included: The Undertaker vs. Kama, and Tatanka vs. Bam Bam Bigelow. Beat that, Americans. Overall, I thought this was a solid PPV, and an interesting first instalment for the IYH series, but it pissed me off that the prize of a house was only available to Americans. Don’t we Brits count? I mean, who doesn’t want to win a house in Orlando, Florida? Back to the dark matches: Owen Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith, and Bob Holly vs. Jean-Pierre Lafitte were also part of the PPV, but they weren’t included on the UK VHS release. I presume Silver Vision, the licensee for videotapes in the UK, believed that the Undertaker/Kama and Tatanka/Bigelow bouts were more worthy of including than Owen/Bulldog and Holly/Lafitte. That said, Owen/Davey Boy was a KOTR qualifying match, so its omission from the tape is bizarre. Kind of like “WCW logic”. As for the main card, I don’t think there’s a bad match, and Bomb/Mabel was short, which means it worked well and didn’t outstay its welcome. This did a 0.83 buyrate, and wasn’t a success (332,000 buys). I wonder, was there a perception among Americans that these were B-PPVs, or just a symptom of a WWF that wasn’t really having much success at the time? I know I couldn't afford 18 PPV's per year! As far as the winner of that house in Orlando, I read that he actually lived in California, not Nevada (wrestling announcer lie even when they don't have to, just to keep in practice) and his family wound up selling the house, since they didn't want to move to Florida and I guess didn't want to pay the taxes on a house they weren't living on. Heck, we might as well have let a Brit win it. As far as the Bulldog-Owen dark match, yes, that was used as a qualifying match for King of the Ring (it was shown on either Raw or Superstars) and it drove me crazy that it had a 15 minute time limit draw. That makes no sense for a qualifying match. Of course, it ended in a time limit draw, so both guys failed to qualify for the KOTR tournament, and they then held a Lex Luger-Yokozuna match to replace it as a qualifying match for KOTR. Personally, I'd much rather see either Owen or Bulldog in that tournament than either Luger or Yoko. Plus, this goes against the precedence of the previous two years of KOTR qualifying where, when a match ended in a time limit draw (again - WHY THE HECK PUT A 15 MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON THESE QUALIFYING MATCHES???) they simply had the same two wrestlers have a rematch the following week. Why, oh why, do I expect pro wrestling to make any sense?? I suspect that the low buyrate was because WWF was struggling at the time (the Roadie, with zero singles matches under his belt, qualifies for KOTR in a couple of weeks!) and perhaps the lower price also flagged people that this one wasn't as "important".
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 18, 2024 8:15:39 GMT -5
I recently watched Great American Bash 1995. We’re in Dayton, Ohio. Tony Schiavone and Bobby Heenan on commentary with Mean Gene handling the interviews. Neither Hogan nor Vader will wrestle at the PPV. Okay, then. Well, for people sick of Hogan (count me in that group) this should be a treat. First match is Brian Pillman v Alex Wright
Now this is what I call an opening match. WCW did something smart for a change. I haven’t seen Pillman in quite some time and had assumed that he was gone from the company. Anyway, he’s back, and is apparently a babyface, so we have a rare face-face match. However, the crowd is very clearly behind Pillman. Partly because this is his hometown crowd, partly because he’s got more personality, and partly because he’s a better wrestler than Wright. So, of course, WCW books Wright to win this match. I couldn’t believe it. Pillman goes for a sunset flip but Wright blocks it for the pin at a bit over 15 minutes. This was a great match. Wright is still a bit green and made some mistakes and Pillman had to help him out a bit, but both guys worked hard and this was a very enjoyable match, probably the best WCW match I’ve seen for WCW up to this point. Unfortunately, the rest of this PPV can only be downhill. By the way, Pillman supplexed Wright out of the ring at one point, yet that’s not a DQ even though throwing someone over the top rope is an automatic DQ? That makes no sense! Just get rid of this stupid rule already! There was also some bad camera work here, making some of the action hard to follow. Next is an Arm Wrestling match – Diamond Dallas Page v Evad Sullivan
If Evad wins he gets a date with the Diamond Doll and if DDP wins he gets Evad’s rabbit, which he will presumably turn into rabbit stew. I really couldn’t care less about this (though it does at least keep Evan from wrestling, which is a plus) but Evad wins with some accidentally help as Kimberly bumps into Muscle Maxx who bumps into Page, causing the loss, I guess. Next is ”Hacksaw” Jim Duggan v Sgt Craig Pittman
This was supposed to be Marcus Bagwell instead of Hacksaw, but he suffered a legit inury. Apparently, his calf implants exploded. That is such a WCW thing, and also such a Buff Bagwell thing to have happen. WCW, in their infinite wisdom, thought it would be good to replace him in a match versus a very green, shoot style wrestler with none other than Hacksaw Jim Duggan. That goes about as well as you would expect. This match was awful. Duggan wins by DQ when Pittman refuses to release his submission hold (an armbar/armbreaker) even after Duggan reached the ropes. Oh, and the crowd chanted “USA”, and keep in mind Duggan’s opponent was a former US Marine. People’s stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Oh, and our all American “hero” Duggan swing his 2x4 at the referee at one point! What a guy. Also, Renegade clotheslined Duggan over at one point, but of course it’s not a DQ because the wrestler’s “momentum” is what carried him over the top rope, not the clothesline itself WTF? Next is Bunkhouse Buck/Dick Slater w/Colonel Rob Parker v Harlem Heat w/Sister Sherri
I guess Col. Parker forcibly kissed Sherri a couple of weeks ago, to help set up this feud. Harlem Heat get the win when Booker has Buck in a small package, and Parker reverses it so that Buck is on top, then Sherri comes over an reverses it back so that Booker is on top, and the ref finally turns around and counts Buck out. Another bad match, but what do you expect when only one out of the four guys (Booker) is really all that good? We see that Vader stormed out and roughed up Eric Bischoff and Prez Nick Bockwinkle during an interview, saying he’s sick of Hogan (aren’t we all?) and demanding a rematch. We’ll find out later what Bockwinkle’s response is. We later find out that Bockwinkle says that Vader will get his rematch with Hogan, but that it will be a cage match, and it will be at the next PPV. Unfortunately, Bockwinkle forgets the name of the next PPV (making him a perfect. President for WCW). Uh, that would be Bash at the Beach, Nick, I guess this precipitated his departure from WCW. Next match is for the TV title – Arn Anderson (c) v The Renegade w/Jimmy Hart
Renegade is a poor man’s Ultimate Warrior. Just think about that statement. Anyway, Arn Anderson tried, but Renegade is just awful. Oh and Renegade won (after about 9 minutes) with a splash off the top rope (probably his best move of the night). I don’t know how WCW could have thought it was a good idea to give the title to somebody so clearly lacking in talent and skill, but that’s WCW for you. Did they think that people still thought Renegade was really Jim Hellwig?? Next match is for the WCW tag titles – The Nasty Boys (c) v The Blue Bloods
The Nasties got the title back from Harlem Heat at the last PPV. The Blue Bloods are Lord Steven Regal and Earl Robert Eaton. Who??? Oh, that would be Beautiful Bobby Eaton, whom they’re now repackaging as a British aristocrat. Uh, sure thing. The Nasties attack the Blue Bloods before the bell (who are the heels there) and break every rule in the book in beating on their opponents for a few minutes while the ref just lets it all happen. Eventually things settle down a bit and we get some semblance of a tag team wrestling match (Though even then tagging seems optional). The crowd start a USA chant because we hate thos evil Britishers, especially the ones from Alabama. At the end, Harlem Heat come out to apparently interfere on behalf of the Blue Bloods (even though they were upset that the Blue Bloods got the title shot instead of them) but it backfires, allowing the Nasties to pin for the win. Bad match. So far, the opener has been the only good match. Next is the US title tournament final – Sting v Meng w/Colonel Robert Parker
The US title was vacant (I guess because of Vader’s violent actions towards Evad Sullivan, which doesn’t really make a lot of sense), so they held a tournament to crown a new champ. This is the final match of the tournament, so the winner is our new champ. We get highlights from the tournament, plus promos by all involved in this match. Meng actually powers out of the Scorpion Deathlock, but Sting wins it with a jumping DDT. This was a decent match, thanks to Sting. At one point, I think Meng actually got knocked out by hitting the guardrail, so Sting stalled by going after Parker until Meng could revive. Now we get the Main event – Randy Savage v Ric Flair
This is a major grudge match, as Flair (and Arn Anderson) attacked and viciously beat Savage’s father, Angelo Poffo, at the last PPV, with Flair then putting him in the figure 4. Poffo now comes to ringside with a cane. Savage wants to win this match for is father. Adding to the significance, this is happening on Father’s Day. I don’t understand why Savage isn’t also mad at Arn Anderson, though. He was almost as involved in the beatdown as Flair was. This is a brawl from before the bell even rings, with much of it taking place outside the ring. At one point, Savage delivers his patented elbow drop, but then pulls up Flair after 2 for more punishment. Big mistake. Flair eventually wins by knocking Savage out with Angelo’s cane for the pin. This was a very good match, with a lot of intensity and good storytelling. Virtually no wrestling, though. Overall, the first match was very good, the next several matches were not good, then the last 2 matches were good again. Not a terrible PPV, but below average. I guess it did a decent buyrate. for what it's worth. Yeah, this was a below average PPV. I did quite like the main event, it was heated. I guess a Hogan-free PPV makes sense in retrospect, otherwise we’d have just got something like Hogan vs. Arn Anderson in a Steel Cage Match, which Hogan would have won by rolling up Sensational Queen Sherri for the pin (or some such nonsense). I agree about the stupidity of “USA!” chants during a match between Hacksaw and Pittman. You know, in 1995, I presumed the US Marine Corps thing was a gimmick, but I was pleased to know that Pittman had actually been in the Marine Corps. How did WCW fuck that up? Someone with a background like that, and skill in the ring, could and should have gone further. I mean, they didn’t really push him much in his two-year tenure with the company. Typical WCW! Oh, and I’d have paid to see Pittman vs. Vader, or Pittman vs. Meng. As for Bagwell, I remember Bobby Heenan’s WCW Magazine column implying that Bagwell had faked the injury to avoid wrestling Pittman. Oh, and didn’t you know, dbutler69 , all of us Brits own castles, have aristocratic roots, and drink Yorkshire Tea for breakfast without fail. We also wear bowler hats in all weathers. Well, I'm glad to know that my perception of Brits is completely correct.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Aug 18, 2024 10:22:03 GMT -5
This is nice from Jim Rugg. The one real boo-boo is "Danny" Manning instead of David, which I guess is an understandable name to mix up, since Danny Manning, 80s basketball star, was a big name in the culture when Rugg was growing up
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 18, 2024 11:24:53 GMT -5
Great write-up as ever, dbutler69 , and I’d love an excuse to share the pages as covered in WWF Magazine: Okay, this event wasn’t shown live in the UK. I did like the idea of PPVs of lesser renown, it made the Big Five feel special, although at the time, I thought we’d be getting too much of a good thing. Between the WWF and WCW, there were 18 PPVs available for wrestling fans in ‘95. Us Brits got some of those included “free” as part of our Sky Sports packages, but could any American have afforded 18 PPVs? However, it did show up on VHS - with two “dark matches” included: The Undertaker vs. Kama, and Tatanka vs. Bam Bam Bigelow. Beat that, Americans. Overall, I thought this was a solid PPV, and an interesting first instalment for the IYH series, but it pissed me off that the prize of a house was only available to Americans. Don’t we Brits count? I mean, who doesn’t want to win a house in Orlando, Florida? Back to the dark matches: Owen Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith, and Bob Holly vs. Jean-Pierre Lafitte were also part of the PPV, but they weren’t included on the UK VHS release. I presume Silver Vision, the licensee for videotapes in the UK, believed that the Undertaker/Kama and Tatanka/Bigelow bouts were more worthy of including than Owen/Bulldog and Holly/Lafitte. That said, Owen/Davey Boy was a KOTR qualifying match, so its omission from the tape is bizarre. Kind of like “WCW logic”. As for the main card, I don’t think there’s a bad match, and Bomb/Mabel was short, which means it worked well and didn’t outstay its welcome. This did a 0.83 buyrate, and wasn’t a success (332,000 buys). I wonder, was there a perception among Americans that these were B-PPVs, or just a symptom of a WWF that wasn’t really having much success at the time? I know I couldn't afford 18 PPV's per year! As far as the winner of that house in Orlando, I read that he actually lived in California, not Nevada (wrestling announcer lie even when they don't have to, just to keep in practice) and his family wound up selling the house, since they didn't want to move to Florida and I guess didn't want to pay the taxes on a house they weren't living on. Heck, we might as well have let a Brit win it. As far as the Bulldog-Owen dark match, yes, that was used as a qualifying match for King of the Ring (it was shown on either Raw or Superstars) and it drove me crazy that it had a 15 minute time limit draw. That makes no sense for a qualifying match. Of course, it ended in a time limit draw, so both guys failed to qualify for the KOTR tournament, and they then held a Lex Luger-Yokozuna match to replace it as a qualifying match for KOTR. Personally, I'd much rather see either Owen or Bulldog in that tournament than either Luger or Yoko. Plus, this goes against the precedence of the previous two years of KOTR qualifying where, when a match ended in a time limit draw (again - WHY THE HECK PUT A 15 MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON THESE QUALIFYING MATCHES???) they simply had the same two wrestlers have a rematch the following week. Why, oh why, do I expect pro wrestling to make any sense?? I suspect that the low buyrate was because WWF was struggling at the time (the Roadie, with zero singles matches under his belt, qualifies for KOTR in a couple of weeks!) and perhaps the lower price also flagged people that this one wasn't as "important". Qualifying matches having time limits makes zero sense because, in a world of kayfabe where they’re presenting reality, WHAT IF EVERY QUALIFYING MATCH GOES TO A TIME-LIMIT DRAW? I know we accept wrestling in the same way we accept, say, James Bond, but there has to be some internal logic. Some things don’t make sense, e.g. the film Police Academy: Mission to Moscow having the Russians call on an incompetent police academy of misfits to prevent an international incident. It’s a film, yes, but there’s no internal logic there (I use that example as the film is almost 30 years old, and it has been mentioned recently). So, in a world of kayfabe make-believe, time limits for qualifying matches is odd because of the concept that each match could potentially end in that way. I do like it when wrestling can have a bit of logic. You and I have often discussed how tournaments can be predictable because they almost invariably feature babyface/heel dynamics throughout - which I think is silly. Statistically, why wouldn’t two heels end up in the final? Or, what about battle royals where the final three were often a heel tag team and a babyface? Why in the Royal Rumble are numbers 1 and 2 almost always a heel and a babyface? Why not have a year where #1 is a heel and #2 is a heel? I just think wrestling could be more “realistic” at times in that sense.
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Post by Batflunkie on Aug 18, 2024 11:50:40 GMT -5
Was reading up on the history of the old "ECW Area" and I stumbled across this gem
Yup, sounds like New Jack alright...
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 18, 2024 12:48:29 GMT -5
I know I couldn't afford 18 PPV's per year! As far as the winner of that house in Orlando, I read that he actually lived in California, not Nevada (wrestling announcer lie even when they don't have to, just to keep in practice) and his family wound up selling the house, since they didn't want to move to Florida and I guess didn't want to pay the taxes on a house they weren't living on. Heck, we might as well have let a Brit win it. As far as the Bulldog-Owen dark match, yes, that was used as a qualifying match for King of the Ring (it was shown on either Raw or Superstars) and it drove me crazy that it had a 15 minute time limit draw. That makes no sense for a qualifying match. Of course, it ended in a time limit draw, so both guys failed to qualify for the KOTR tournament, and they then held a Lex Luger-Yokozuna match to replace it as a qualifying match for KOTR. Personally, I'd much rather see either Owen or Bulldog in that tournament than either Luger or Yoko. Plus, this goes against the precedence of the previous two years of KOTR qualifying where, when a match ended in a time limit draw (again - WHY THE HECK PUT A 15 MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON THESE QUALIFYING MATCHES???) they simply had the same two wrestlers have a rematch the following week. Why, oh why, do I expect pro wrestling to make any sense?? I suspect that the low buyrate was because WWF was struggling at the time (the Roadie, with zero singles matches under his belt, qualifies for KOTR in a couple of weeks!) and perhaps the lower price also flagged people that this one wasn't as "important". Qualifying matches having time limits makes zero sense because, in a world of kayfabe where they’re presenting reality, WHAT IF EVERY QUALIFYING MATCH GOES TO A TIME-LIMIT DRAW? I know we accept wrestling in the same way we accept, say, James Bond, but there has to be some internal logic. Some things don’t make sense, e.g. the film Police Academy: Mission to Moscow having the Russians call on an incompetent police academy of misfits to prevent an international incident. It’s a film, yes, but there’s no internal logic there (I use that example as the film is almost 30 years old, and it has been mentioned recently). So, in a world of kayfabe make-believe, time limits for qualifying matches is odd because of the concept that each match could potentially end in that way. I do like it when wrestling can have a bit of logic. You and I have often discussed how tournaments can be predictable because they almost invariably feature babyface/heel dynamics throughout - which I think is silly. Statistically, why wouldn’t two heels end up in the final? Or, what about battle royals where the final three were often a heel tag team and a babyface? Why in the Royal Rumble are numbers 1 and 2 almost always a heel and a babyface? Why not have a year where #1 is a heel and #2 is a heel? I just think wrestling could be more “realistic” at times in that sense. Another thing about that whole situation that made no sense was that, while we already had a qualifying match between the Roadie (again, zero singles matches and just one handicap match with double J - which they lost!) versus Doink (with Dink!) so those two clowns (pun intended) are good enough to have a KOTR qualifying match, but the only reason why Yokozuna and Lex Luger got to have a KOTR qualifying match was because of this stupid Owen-Bulldog time limit draw. So II guess that means that Yokozuna and Lex Luger are below the Roadie and Doink in the rankings??!! Yes, some internal logic would be nice, but I guess we're barking up the wrong tree. Still, the WWF's booking for this KOTR so far has been baffling.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 18, 2024 13:11:08 GMT -5
You know, on rankings, although the PWI family of magazines weren’t beholden to the WWF, there was at least a logic (of sorts) to their rankings, which did seem to be based on merit - well, as much merit as a kayfabe wrestling world can have.
That reminds me, post-Attitude Era, I used to get a bit irked when a wrestler like Triple H would just come out and say to another wrestler, “You and me - in the ring, next week on Raw!” And that was that, JR and the King would close with, “Next week, Triple H and Maven in the main event.”
I much preferred pre-Attitude logic, e.g. Jack Tunney having to make announcements, or commentators saying things like, “The world champion has signed an open contract, which means anyone can have a shot.” Again, it’s no bad thing to *try* and treat wrestling like a real sport. So when you had commentary regarding “open contracts” and the like, at least it made sense when, say, Repo Man got a world title shot, or something such as Tatanka getting an IC title shot because of his undefeated streak.
So, in the case of the KOTR, at least pay lip service as to why Roadie and Doink are high in the rankings, make up some logic!
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 19, 2024 5:19:05 GMT -5
Last night’s viewing: Hottest Matches is a very good release from 1990. Oddly, neither WWF Champion Ultimate Warrior nor Hulk Hogan feature on it (they were on most other tapes). Still, we get to see others shine. Tito Santana vs. Rick MartelThis was a thrilling encounter, and both men did not disappoint. The dastardly heel gets the pin after spraying his cologne - Arrogance - in Santana’s eyes. The heel! Anyway, already the tape is living up to the moniker of Hottest Matches! Lord Alfred Hayes commentary on the tag team divisionLord Alfred Hayes talks about the tag team championships/tag division. There’s nothing really insightful here, and seems just like filler, if I’m honest. The Rockers vs. The Orient ExpressI’d say the best bout between these men was at the 1991 Royal Rumble. Here, from June 1990, the teams have a decent bout, but we do get a count-out win for The Rockers, which left me feeling slightly deflated. Dusty Rhodes vs. Greg ValentineI reviewed this when I posted about the Fan Favourites tape. It’s disappointing, and I’m not sure how believable it is that a fan chose this. Dusty gets the win via pinfall. Jake Roberts vs. AkeemThis is the beginning of a profile on Jake, which features two of his matches. Jake wins this one via count-out, and it’s not really memorable. It’s probably better than a lot of other televised bouts from that time, Jake always seemed to give it his all. Jake Roberts vs. Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiaseJake and DiBiase never had a bad match, and this is the third Coliseum tape to showcase their work. Also, each bout is a different one (unlike some Coliseum tapes, which seemed to think we needed to see some bouts more than once). The two have a solid bout here, featuring plenty of shenanigans, but we sadly do not get a conclusive ending as Jake wins via DQ after interference from Virgil. It’s a shame the profile couldn’t have given us a match where we see Jake win via DDT. Brutus “The Barber” Beefcake vs. HakuThis is a poor match, ending in a DQ win for Beefcake after Bobby Heenan interferes. Beefcake and Haku didn’t appear to have much chemistry. Also, we’re on our third consecutive inconclusive ending. Manager Profile: Sensational Queen SherriLike manager profiles on other tapes, this is meaningless. It adds no value and is just filler. Shawn Michaels vs. Ted DiBiaseThis is an awesome 17-minute match, which took place in the summer of 1990. Yes, it ends with a double-DQ, but after seeing such a tremendous bout, I did not care. Both men showcased things convincingly, and despite the inconclusive ending, we got to see the Rockers scrap with DiBiase and Virgil. Power & Glory workoutPower & Glory share some footage of them weightlifting - and cut a heel promo. This was entertaining. I wish the team had had more success. Dusty Rhodes & Sapphire vs. Macho King, Queen Sherri & Brother LoveThis is the match of the tape (Michaels/DiBiase came close!). Sherri enters the ring wearing a dress, stockings and heels. She can’t wrestle in those, surely? She removes the shoes. I’m curious as to why she didn’t have wrestling gear (no gear or just the way she did it for that match?). The match is heated, never slows down for a minute, and it’s fun to see the likes of Brother Love get his clock cleaned. Gorilla Monsoon is scathing of Brother Love. The heels try to win it with Sherri hitting Sapphire with a loaded purse, but Elizabeth enters the ring, takes the purse - and hits Sherri with it, allowing Sapphire to get the pin. There’s so much to love in the bout, and I’d have no problem revisiting it. SummaryThe tape could have featured a lot of bouts seen on other tapes, or focused on Hogan and Warrior. Instead, it did something different, and the only bad match on the tape is Beefcake vs. Haku. This is one of the better Coliseum tapes. Highly recommended.
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