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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 14:45:41 GMT -5
I do miss the name "Titan Sports" as it did give the WWF a legitimacy that made it sound like a real sports organisation. Deep down, we know wrestling is predetermined and scripted, but when I used to read about Titan Sports press conferences and the like, it made the WWF feel very "real" to me. Personally, I don't know a thing about "Titan Sports" and to my knowledge its has no impact to me. To me, WWF is all its needed to prove any legitimacy at all. WWF is very real to me. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 4, 2019 3:09:47 GMT -5
NWA Powerrr, Week 9
Promoting Into the Fire, leading into the opening titles. Question Mark has made the opener!
Joe Galli solo opening, recorded after the shows, probably to reduce the presence of Jim Cornette. They recap Ricky Starks beating Aron Stevens and open to a match with Colt Cabana vs Ricky Starks, non-title bout. Stevens interrupts before the match starts, with QM and Colt throws out that Starks is the real wrestler and says that if Stevens can beat Starks, he gets a shot at the National title. Starks is billed at 185 lbs, which is the first time I have heard anyone other than Rey Mysterio billed at under 200, on a wrestling tv show. Starks is getting the better end of things when Stevens goes down holding his knee. He slinks to the ropes and things are in a holding pattern. QM sneaks in and does the Mongrovian Spike to Starks throat and Sevens rushes over to cover, for the pin. Match was short but decent, QM is way over. Starks has a real future ahead, as he has the charisma and his size hasn't really been an issue.
Promos for PPV, James Storm says he is a victim of "Cuh-spiracies," and makes reference to an unaired 3-way match between him, Eli Drake and Ken Anderson, to face Aldis for the title, at Into the Fire. Storm won it and says the NWA is keeping it off tv and also talks about the NWA Pop Up event, where Storm fought Aldis, before. Decent promos. He gets to pick a ref for the 2 out of 3 falls title match and chooses Brian Hebner, echoing the words of Bret Hart, when he talked to Earl Hebner, in Montreal (as seen in Wrestling with Shadows). I smell something here.
Highspots ad, with George South, former Crockett jobber and trainer and promoter for AML Wrestling, in the Carolinas (where the Dawsons came from). They later show footage of South vs The Great Muta, with Aldis coming out and laying down the NWA belt as a challenge to Muta, who is a former champion (the revival, with WCW, before the re-split with the NWA and it was renamed the WCW International World Title). Also footage of Question Mark (in classic civies and mask) at the fan fest at Wrestlecade, where the Muta match took place.
Melina comes out to cut a boring promo and Allysin Kay challengers her to a fight, throws off her heels and hops into the ring. Melina (also in her stilettos) walks around the ring, then climbs onto the apron, as Marti Belle comes out to Pearl Harbor Kay, then Thunder Rosa and they leave her lying. I never saw Melina in the WWE; but, if her promos were this bad, they don't miss her. She hasn't had a match yet, and they are positioning her as the star of the women's division. I got news for them; Thunder Rosa is the star of the women's division.
Ad for Uncle Tony's Waffles & Tire Irons. Now you can get your Uncle Tony's t-short, at nationalwrestlingalliance.com.for just $19.99.
Rock N Roll Express promo-they have their shot at the titles.
Aldis, taped later, with his referee: Tim Storm. Should be confusing for the announcers, with two Storms in the ring.
PSA about youth football and CTE, equating letting kids play tackle football too young with letting them smoke. More than a bit of a stretch but, I agree that kids have no business playing tackle football, under high school age. Pop Warner and Pee Wee leagues have pretty strict rules; but, it is more dangerous for the younger kids.
Rock N Roll Express vs Wild Card, for the NWA World Tag Team titles. RnR keep their shirts on; but the mullets are badly thinned (Morton's hair is hanging on better than Gibson's. They switch it up as Gibson does the selling and Morton gets the hot tag and cleans house. The hit the double dropkick (bit lower than they used to land it), end up in a kerfluffle, then Morton gets a rolling reverse cradle on Royce Isaacs and the RnR become 9 time NWA tag champs. Cornette comes into the ring to raise their hands and celebrate and gets the crowd going with a "9 times" chant. Textbook tag team wrestling from the veterans.
NWA does a classy move and acknowledges Cornette's contributions to the "first season" of shows.
Recap and matches for the PPV:
Aldis defends against James Storm, 2 out of 3 falls. Brian Heber will referee one fall, Tim Storm the other, then a coin toss determines who referees the third fall.
Colt Cabana defends the National title against Ricky Starks and Aron Stevens, in a 3-way.
Trevor Murdoch vs Question Mark
Ashley Vox & Allysin Kay vs Melina & either Marti Belle or Thunder Rosa (I'm betting TR)
Ken Anderson vs Eli Drake in the battle of guys who failed to get over in other leagues.
Aldis ends with the reveal of Stu Bennett replacing Jim Cornette on the announce team, at Into the Fire. Bennett, known as Wade Barrett in the WWE. Also works as a commentator for the modern World of Sport Wrestling, in the UK.
So, no explanation why they cut the 3-way between Storm, Anderson & Drake, yet they admit its existence. Cornette was minimized to match commentary, but was thanked at the end of the show (possibly due to the constant Cornette comments last week; but, maybe they were trying to be professional). Still haven't accepted that the responsibility for the situation falls on them and not Cornette, since they aired it.
Decent end to things, though the post-taping Galli segments drag, compared to Cornette on commentary. They better hope Bennett can add some fire. No idea if he will take part in the next season of tapings; I assume the performance at the PPV will be the audition.
Looks like Jocephus may have abandoned his old gimmick for the Question Mark, as he is way more over with it. Time will tell. Kamille will not be in Aldis corner, after she whispered into James Storm's ear, previously. Probably a factor in the match. I have a suspicion they might due a title switch; if not, I see Tim Storm turning heel, which would be stupid as he gets a real babyface reaction, thanks to Ten Pounds of Gold and the first episode. Women's division needs someone besides Thunder Rosa to bring it to life.
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Post by wickedmountain on Dec 4, 2019 15:01:05 GMT -5
Greg Gagne wrestling at MSG 1980
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 16:58:09 GMT -5
A big blow to AEW is not signing John Morrison and he and Chris Jericho couldn't make any amends to anything. Now, with that going on ... AEW is starting to lose steam and fans are not buying tickets anymore and the novelty factors is wearing thin and Chris Jericho and Cody Rhodes needs to shape things up quickly and I just think AEW Dynamite is a joke right now. I'm no longer watching it.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 4, 2019 17:07:56 GMT -5
Greg Gagne wrestling at MSG 1980 Gagne got a bad rap, based on the ESPN days. In the 70s and early 80s, he was good; but, he was outdated by the Hogan era. He was great in tag matches; but, Brunzell had moved on, breaking up the High Flyers. He wasn't quite the mat technician that Verne was; but, you can see the influences, especially the dropkick. Greg throws it exactly like Verne, with the step up into it and landing only one foot. We are long past the days when a dropkick could be a finishing move (you couldn't get away with that two years after the match). Weird to hear Vince admit the existence of the AWA and Mid-Atlantic (in the Steamboat & Youngblood match). People forget that, at this time, Vince Sr was a member of the NWA and regularly used visiting talent from other NWA territories. Here, you have Greg Gagne, from the AWA and Steamboat & Youngblood, for Mid-Atlantic. That stayed true until Vince Jr raided the AWA. Looking back, I think it was stupid to run in opposition to everyone. Vince may have buried them all; but at the cost of greater revenue, by cooperating. If they had been willing to work together, they could have had regular supercards with the league champions facing one another and continue rotating talent throughout, keeping them fresh. Imagine a world where superhero Hulk Hogan is taking on the Nature Boy Ric Flair and Rick Martel or Stan Hansen, or Dusty Rhodes or Nick Bockwinkel. Imagine Hogan and Andre against the Road Warriors or Hogan vs Nikita Koloff. The Rock N Roll Express vs the Hart Foundation or the British Bulldogs vs the Midnight Express. Wrestling would have been even bigger had not egos set everyone on the course for self-destruction. Vince was hurting by the time the AWA was gone and Turner had bought out Crockett. Had they cooperated, they could have been thriving, with fresh talent, featured on WTBS, USA Network, ESPN and various syndicated shows. Add Japanese and Mexican talent, through relationships with New Japan, All Japan and EMLL and possibly even the UK promotions and Otto Wanz, in Germany. The MSG cards were carried on USA Network, long before All American Wrestling started up and they gave you a glimpse of what the WWF offered in their territory. However, it was a rather slow, cumbersome product, compared to the AWA or the better NWA territories (Mid-Atlantic, Georgia, Florida, Mid-South, World Class). As for the rest of the show, Larry Sharpe wasn't the greatest ring talent; but, he had greater influence, as a trainer, with The Monster Factory. Among his stars were Bamm Bam Bigelow, King Kong Bundy, Raven, and Tatanka. Wikipedia lists Tony Atlas as an alum, which is total BS. The school didn't open until 1983 and Atlas started in 1974. Ken Patera in his prime against Pat Patterson. Patera had a nice mix of wrestling and strongman spots and was way over in the WWWF and AWA, and did well in Mid-Atlantic and Memphis. Loved his swinging neckbreaker, which really sold his strength and looked like it would kill a person. A few years later and a roid rage later, Patera and Masa Saito would find themselves in prison, after smashing a McDonalds window (with a decorative rock!) and busting up a squad of police when they tried to arrest them. Steamboat and Youngblood were hot; but, as soon as I saw their opponents were Tor Kamata and Bulldog Brower, I knew they would be selling for most of the match. Kamata & Brower weren't going to be taking many bumps. The finisher was a standard for Steamboat & Youngblood, where Ricky would press-slam Jay onto their opponent. They were a great tag team; but, Steamboat got tired f babysitting Youngblood, who had a cocaine and alcohol problem. Steamboat broke up the team by 1984, went solo, then retired (and came back a few months later, in the WWF) and Youngblood would wrestle in various tag-teams and solo, until his death, in 1985. He was a second generation; son of Ricky Romero, a mainstay of Amarillo and other Texas promotions. Brothers Mark and Chris would also wrestle, with Wahoo McDaniel and as a tag-team, in Texas and Puerto Rico. Youngblood's given name was Steven Romero, while Ricky Steamboat was Richard Blood. Imagine if they had used their real names: Romero and Blood. Sounds like a review of a horror film. Bruno is deep in his toupee days, and his feud with Larry Zbysko, leading to their cage match at Shea Stadium, which was seen on closed circuit tv. That also featured Andre vs a heel Hulk Hogan. Andre was still pretty mobile, at this point and had livelier matches,depending on his opponent. Bobby Duncum was another Texas wrestler who spent time in the AWA and WWWF, facing guys like Bruno. His son, Bobby Jr, would also wrestle in the Southwest and Puerto Rico, then in WCW, as part of the West Texas Rednecks, before OD-ing, in 2000. Sr was another of the West Texas University alum in wrestling, along with Tully Blanchard, Tito Santana, the Funks (who recruited most of them into wrestling), Stan Hansen, Bruiser Brody, Manny Fernandez, and Dusty Rhodes. Dick Murdoch was claimed to have been an alum; but, never attended the school. He did, however, sneak himself into and alumni football game, years later! |
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 4, 2019 17:23:41 GMT -5
A big blow to AEW is not signing John Morrison and he and Chris Jericho couldn't make any amends to anything. Now, with that going on ... AEW is starting to lose steam and fans are not buying tickets anymore and the novelty factors is wearing thin and Chris Jericho and Cody Rhodes needs to shape things up quickly and I just think AEW Dynamite is a joke right now. I'm no longer watching it. I don't know if it is that big of a blow, given he hasn't really been much of a name since his WWE stint. He didn't do much for TNA or Lucha Underground. That said, he was a name that could have helped boost their profile. They need more than a bunch of ROH ex-patriots and indie guys to sell this as big time; but, I think they will continue to chug along as long as Shahid Khan (Tony's billionaire father) is willing to sink his money into it. He also owns the Jacksonville Jaguars, in the NFL and Fulham FC, in the UK, which I have to believe are more lucrative, in terms of revenue and media profile. Funny enough, the Khan's and I share a slight connection, as we are all alumni of the University of Illinois, at Urbana. Shahid Khan graduated with a bachelors in engineering, in 1971, I graduated in 1988, with a bachelor's degree in economics, and Tony graduated in 2007, with a bachelor's degree in finance. Shahid's mother was a professor of mathematics, in his native Pakistan. Ticket sales were going to drop, no matter what, once the novelty wore off. The real question is whether they can generate PPV and advertising revenue, as well as sell merchandise. That is more were their revenue streams will come from, than tbox office for live events. They are certainly shelling out a lot of money on production and their roster, many of whom are grossly overpaid, compared to their drawing power. The next couple of years, with tv, will be the telling point. If they can't show a profit within 5 years, then they will be another TNA, limping along until the money mark pulls the plug. For Khan, it is a tax write off against his NFL and English Football teams, as well as Flex-N-Gate; but, it the losses start outweighing the tax savings, then you have the Panda Energy situation, with TNA (or the Borders bankruptcy) Even WCW only had one, maybe 2 profitable years, out of the 11 years of existence, under Turner Broadcasting/Time Warner. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 4, 2019 17:32:18 GMT -5
ps I don't know how much time Jericho really has left in him, given his injuries and age. If he continues more as a mouthpiece than active wrestler, he could be a major factor for years. Cody is coming into his own and will carry things; but, they need challengers that excite the crowd, beyond Jericho and his click. I'm with Corny that Kenny Omega is not going to be the top guy with this group, nor are the Young Bucks going to be their Rock N Roll Express.
One thing seems to be for sure, since the uys left Ring of Honor, that promotion has been hurting, badly. Marty Scurll and the Briscoes are a few of the stars they really have left. They may need to partner again with the NWA before the NWA needs them. Wouldn't be surprised if New Japan is looking past their deal, given they were hoping to use the Elite guys to really breakthrough in the US, which was part of their MSG show (which didn't end up with the Elite guys). They managed to be the first on-WWF wrestling show in MSG, though a return seems less likely, given how the show went without the Elite guys.
Where it may get interesting is when WWE contracts come up.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 5, 2019 12:10:21 GMT -5
To see what we could have had, if Vince, Verne, and the NWA could have continued to cooperate....
Ric Flair vs Rick Martel, NWA World Title vs AWA World Title...
Harley Race vs Bob Backlund, NWA World Title vs WWF Heavyweight Title...
Georgia Championship Wrestling tv interviews with Flair and Backlund for their unification match in Atlanta, 1982...
Gordon Solie gave a real sports presentation to his commentating, matching the best of Wide World of Sports.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 5, 2019 13:05:50 GMT -5
There were other matches. In 1979, Nick Bockwinkel faced Bob Backlund in a title vs title match, in Toronto. Later, in 1986, he faced Ric Flair, in Winnipeg...
In 1978, Superstar Billy Graham faced Harley Race, at the Superbowl of Wrestling, in Florida...
a scene from the Ed Asner movie, The Wrestler, with the promoters (portrayed by the actual promoters) discussing a wrestling "superbowl."
That is actually Vince McMahon Sr there, plus Joe Dusek, the AWA promoter in Omaha (at one point, there was an Omaha World title and the Minneapolis AWA World title, before Verne unified them).
Prior to 1963, Capitol Sports, which was Vince Sr and Toots Mondt, were members of the NWA and recognized the NWA World title. When Buddy Rogers became the champion, he was monopolized by Capitol Sports and the other NWA promoters struggled to get dates for the champion. At the annual convention they voted to take the title off Rogers. They convinced Lou Thesz to come out of semi-retirement and take the belt from Rogers, in Toronto. Rogers and Capitol tried to avoid the match. To make it stick, NWA president Sam Muchnick threatened to give Rogers' $25,000 deposit to charity (the champion had to put up a deposit on the belt, to be held is escrow, to keep them from jumping to a rival promotion with the belt). Rogers was forced to take the match and it was switched from the traditional 2 out of 3 falls to a single fall match. Thesz was a "hooker," someone who could cripple you with "hooks," holds which could break bones and tear muscles. According to Thesz' memoir, he told Rogers, in the ring, that the could have a good match or they could do it for real. Rogers said they would have a good match and cooperated during the match (like he had a choice, apart from fleeing the ring). Capitol continued to recognize Rogers as champion, citing the single fall, and withdrew from the NWA. Soon after, they renamed themselves as the Worldwide Wrestling Federation.
Mcmahon returned to the fold in the 70s and only referred to their title as the World Wrestling Federation Heavyweight Championship, rather than World title. NWA rules stipulated that the NWA title would be the only one called the world title. Similarly, Giant Baba referred to his Pacific Wrestling Federation title as just their heavyweight championship, though there had been some friction when he called it a world title.
I wanted to see more of this, in the early 80s, when there were still the 3 leagues. It ended up with McMahon withdrawing from the NWA (sometime between 1983 and 84) and moving into other NWA territories). To fight back, an alliance was made between Jim Crockett Promotions (Mid-Atlantic), the AWA and the Continental Wrestling Association (Memphis) to co-promote cards as Pro Wrestling USA. The early cardswere loaded with NWA, AWA and Memphis talent. However, the promoters kept pushing their own agenda and Jerry Jarrett soon withdrew. Crockett and Verne tried poaching each other's talent and they soon fell out, leaving Pro Wrestling USA's syndicated show as just another AWA show. They didn't do any unification bouts but did have both world titles defended on cards. Later, at the first Super Clash, Ric Flair defended the NWA World title against Magnum TA, while Rick Martel defended the AWA World title against Stan Hansen (who won the title). Mil Mascaras also defended his IWA title against Freebird Buddy Roberts, despite the fact that the IWA closed down in 1978 (Mascaras left the promotion with the belt and defended it in Mexico and Japan, never losing it, since he wouldn't job to anyone, by that point). Kerry Von Erich defended the World Class Texas title against Jimmy Garvin and Giant Baba, Jumbo Tsuruta and Genichiro Tenryu of All Japan wrestled on the card against Harley Race and Bill & Scott Irwin, for the fictional All-Asian 6-man tag title (Baba was an NWA member and regularly booked NWA and AWA World title matches in Japan, plus talent from both groups; Harley had worked for the AWA and the Irwins were an AWA tag team). The NWA World 6-man tag team title was defended by the Russians (Ivan & Nikita Koloff and Krusher Kruschev) against Bruiser & Crusher and Baron Von Raschke.
Super Clash occurred just before the split between Crockett and Gagne and Greg Gagne maintains that David Crockett was trying to sign up their talent, at the event. As it was, the Road Warriors would leave the AWA to go to Georgia full time (and All Japan part time).
If you have ever seen the original Highlander movie, the opening sequence is shot at the Meadowlands, at a Pro Wrestling USA show (and stated as occurring in Madison Square Garden). The film was shot in 1985 and they shot in New York, in June and July. Pro Wrestling USA had a show at the Meadowlands in August; so, it might have been that one. The match seen is the Freebirds vs Greg Gagne, Jim Brunzell and the Tonga Kid (Sam Fatu, nephew of Afa and Sika Anoa'i and brother of Solofa Fatu, aka Rikishi; he is also father of Jacob Fatu).
What could have been...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 13:28:00 GMT -5
I would not have been aware of any of that history if not for the Apter mags. Because WWF Magazine certainly wouldn't have covered that history.
I think I found an Apter mag when I was about 9-10. It was great to learn about JCP, AWA, USWA, etc. It was also great to be able to keep in touch with a star after they left the WWF (or learn about them prior to joining). For instance, I am sure I had read about Chris Chavis before he came to the WWF as Tatanka.
There were also publications like New Wave Wrestling.
Sure, I was vaguely aware of JCP/WCW when I first began watching WWF, but little of it was shown on TV here so if not for the Apter mags/NWW/the Starlog Group magazines, I would not have been as aware of history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 13:35:38 GMT -5
Gordon Solie is BEST and I miss him dearly.
Ric Flair vs Rick Martel, NWA World Title vs AWA World Title ... I do remember that match and it was quite good and I wished they did more together.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 5, 2019 13:47:05 GMT -5
Here are the main Samoan family affiliations:
Afa and Sika Anoa'i are legit brothers and part of a large family (traditional, in Samoa). They were born in Western Samoa and moved to San Francisco, in their teen years. They were noted as rowdy fans at San Francisco matches. They were trained and broke into the business under Peter Maivia and Rocky Johnson.
Afa had several children who wrestled: Samula (as Samu, in the early-mid 80s WWF), Manu (Afa Jr) and LA Smooth (Lloyd). His daughter Monica was married to wrestler Gary Albright, who wrestled in Stampede, in Calgary (the Hart family), UWFI and All-Japan. Samula's son Lance also wrestles.
Sika had two sons who wrestled: Rosey (Mathew) and Roman Reins (Leati Joseph).
Afa & Sika's brother Afoa had a son who wrestled: Yokozuna/Kokina Maximus (Rodney)
Afa & Sika's sister Elevera had 3 sons who wrestled: Tonga Kid (Samuel), Rikishi/Fatu (Solofa) and Umaga/Jamal (Edward). Tonga Kid's son Jacob now wrestles and Rikishi's sons Jonathan and Joshua wrestle as the Uso brothers (Jimmy & Jey). Jonathan Fatu is married to Naomi (Trinity McCray Fatu).
Peter Maivia considered the Anoa'i brothers to be blood brothers, part of his family. Peter had a real brother, Neff, who also wrestled. Peter and wife Lia promoted wrestling in Hawaii and Samoa. Their daughter Ata married wrestler Rocky Johnson and their son, Dwayne, wrestles as The Rock (and as Flex Kavana, in Memphis)
There have been other Samoan wrestlers who were not related to the Anoa'i family or to the Maivia line. Siva Afi, who wrestled for Peter Maivia in Hawaii and in the WWF, as Superfly Siva Afi was one of the bigger names. He wrestled mainly in New Zealand and Japan, apart from his time in Hawaii and the WWF. In 1996 he was involved in a burglary and kidnapping and sentenced to 15-40 years in prison, but released in 2007 and deported to Samoa.
Also wrestling for the Maivia's in their Polynesian Pacific Wrestling promotion were Farmerboy Ipo and Superfly Tui, as well as Bad Leroy Brown.
The Great Tio and Tapu were Samoans or Pacific Islander wrestlers who worked in the Southeast as the Samoans, the Manchurians and the New Zealand Headhunters They were alleged to be father and son, in storylines, though no one seems to be able to confirm this.
Jimmy Snuka (James Smith) was born in Fiji and then moved to Hawaii. He broke in through Hawaiian wrestler Dean Ho and Peter Maivia. His daughter wrestles as Tamina and son wrestled as Deuce.
King Tonga/Haku/Meng (Tonga Fifita) and the Barbarian (Sione Vailahi)were from the island of Tonga. They were part of a group of 6 teenagers sent by the King of Tonga to train in sumo, in Japan. From sumo, they trained for pro wrestling. Haku's son Tevita wrestles as Tanga Loa, and two adopted sons Alipate and Taula wrestle as Tama Tonga and Hikuleo, respectively.
Most Pacific Islander cultures stressed male toughness, as warriors, mariners and fishermen; but, the Samoans have a particular reputation, especially in Hawaii. When I went there, on my first midshipman training cruise, I was told to never look a Samoan in the eye, as they considered it a challenge. That was probably an exaggeration, but, there were strong racial tensions between the white and Samoan communities (as well as white and native Hawaiian). Given the history of the takeover and exploitation of Hawaii (and Samoa) you can understand. However, if you earn their respect, they are extremely loyal friends.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 5, 2019 13:57:20 GMT -5
The Anoa'i Family Tree, from Wikipedia.About the only wrestling dynasty with a more complicated history is the Fuller/Welch Family, which was intertwined throughout southern wrestling, and included wrestlers Ron and Robert Fuller, Jimmy Golden, Buddy Fuller, Lester Welch and, allegedly, Jerry Jarrett. Christine Jarrett worked for Nick Gulas and Roy Welch, in the Tennessee wrestling office; but, did so after divorcing her husband and after Jerry's birth. There were rumors, though, that Roy Welch had been involved with Christine and may have been Jerry's father and that was part of the reason for the divorce and Christine working for Gulas & Welch. However, never fully believe what you hear in wrestling, especially rumors. I read Jarrett's book and he doesn't even address the rumor. The Fuller/Welch family had stakes in multiple promotions throughout the South and often traded points in different promotions when they got burnt out in a location,swapping territories. The Harts and Von Erichs are a bit more straight forward.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 14:11:24 GMT -5
Great posts, but am surprised you didn't mention another family tree: Kane and Undertaker. Quite a history there. Didn't one of them burn down the family home?
But, yes, great history there. That reminds me, did anyone buy The Comic Book Story of Professional Wrestling? Loved the visuals there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 19:59:42 GMT -5
Mr. America Lie Detector
This is so funny!
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