Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Jul 31, 2019 12:04:30 GMT -5
With guitar, or at least rock guitar, there isn't really a "correct" way to play. A lot of the legends had technique that was technically incorrect from, say, a classical perspective, but they made it work for them (e.g., Jimi Hendrix using his thumb to fret bass notes). I know what you're saying, but there definitely is a "correct" way of placing your fingers on the fret board if you want to get notes out of your guitar that exist in the Western scale. There are plenty of unorthodox guitar players in rock or pop, for sure, but the hand shapes and way the characters in those examples I posted are holding the guitar neck aren't just "unorthodox", they are so wrong that you would be lucky to even get a note out of the instrument. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 31, 2019 12:12:29 GMT -5
About five years ago, I took up archery as hobby. Since then I have become a lot more sensitive to way archery is depicted in media; especially comics.
@mechagodzilla recently posted this cover in the Cover Association Game. While it is a glorious piece of Murphy Anderson art, it could be used as an illustration for 'How Not to Use a Bow':
- Her bow arm is bent. This greatly reduces the force of the shot, makes accuracy impossible, and almost guarantees she will hit her arm with the bowstring.
- She is gripping the bow like a pistol. This absolutely guarantees that will will her arm with the bowstring.
- The bowstring should be drawn back so it touches her face; not the foot or so away from her face she seems to be holding it.
- There is no way to sight along the shaft at the height she is holding it.
- On her draw arm, her elbow is way too far forward. It should be back behind her shoulder.
- She is drawing across her body rather than straight back.
- In that position, she cannot be engaging her shoulder muscles: the most important muscles in archery.
I could go on, but my point here is not to nitpick. Rather, I am curious as to what areas others have some expertise in that causes them to notice errors that others would never even see. Possibly even with a demonstration like this one. This reminded me of how Neal Adams added those archery gloves on Green Arrow when he changed his look in 1969. I believe I read an interview with him in which he stated that there are some artists who clearly don't realise the purpose that they serve since they'll draw the gloves so that the straps are worn on the inside of the arm rather than the outside. This looks right to a layman, but it defeats the purpose of the gloves since the heavily covered part of the glove is supposed to be worn on the inside of the arm to prevent the bow from scrapping against bare flesh when it's let go. Some others I've thought of which all have to do with Neal Adams oddly enough: 1. Apparently, Adams took a look at a guy's drawing and said he could point out ten things he did wrong right away. I can't remember what the cover was or all ten problems he had with it, but I do remember it was some cover featuring a giant lobster attacking some people. The colorist had colored the lobster red. The problem? As Adams pointed out, lobsters are greenish brown/black - it's only after they've been cooked that they're red. I thought this interesting since I think most people think of lobsters as red when in fact, only a dead lobster would be this color. 2. Neal Adams wanted to give Ra's Al Ghul an exotic look - from a part of the world which didn't actually correspond with any area found on a map. He did something subtle which I think most artists and readers don't realise - he drew Ghul without eyebrows. Anytime I see him with eyebrows I can't help but think he looks wrong. 3. The Russ Heath Dinosaur cover posted by Prince Hal - with the Neal Adams interiors - reminds me that there may soon come a time when a dinosaur depicted without feathers is going to look like an anachronism. Oh, and something a layman would notice that a hardened comic book reader might not? Shirtless comic book characters are supposed to have nipples. Again, I think it was Adams adding nipples to Batman on the cover of Batman 244 which had people in the industry scratching their heads - "hey, is Batman supposed to have nipples?" |
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 31, 2019 12:21:35 GMT -5
Probably the most obvious:  For decades, comic fans have pointed out that there's no way Banner growing some five times normal human size (in some books it was higher) would leave his pants in a state more than a just a belt of fabric. Pants made for a specific size do not grow or accommodate weight/size gain like cotton sweatpants. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 31, 2019 12:25:01 GMT -5
Probably the most obvious: For decades, comic fans have pointed out that there's no way Banner growing some five times normal human size (in some books it was higher) would leave his pants in a state more than a just a belt of fabric. Pants made for a specific size do not grow or accommodate weight/size gain like cotton sweatpants. Seems like exactly the kind of thing a layman would notice. It's really a function of the necessary suspension of disbelief required for superhero funnybooks. |
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 31, 2019 12:33:18 GMT -5
Seems like exactly the kind of thing a layman would notice. It's really a function of the necessary suspension of disbelief required for superhero funnybooks. My experience is that comic fans are quick to say, "that doesn't work, because..." while the average person just accepts anything as "fantasy" and rolls with it. It is probably where the idea of fans overanalyzing everything came into being, as opposed to the layperson. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 31, 2019 15:02:42 GMT -5
@mrp, thats so funny. I guess it's a well known violation of basic baseball. I'm wondering who didn't know enough or care enough to "catch" this? Did Carmine not know where the bag was in relation to what I assume is meant to be the coach's box (even though it's gras surrounded by dirt in Gorilla Stadium.) First of all, nobody slides into first that way, so it must be third. (Must be b/c the fielder's a righty.) At least if it had been colored to look like the infield, it might not have been as obvious. Oh, and what's up with the gorilla giving the "Live long and prosper" sign?  I still love this cover, though. The gorilla's smile is priceless. IYAM, he's just ecstatic that he legged out a triple and beat the throw by a mile. And his uniform sleeves. Like Ted Kluszewski's!  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 31, 2019 15:09:58 GMT -5
@mrp , thats so funny. I guess it's a well known violation of basic baseball. I'm wondering who didn't know enough or care enough to "catch" this? Did Carmine not know where the bag was in relation to what I assume is meant to be the coach's box (even though it's gras surrounded by dirt in Gorilla Stadium.) I'll go ahead and guess the answer is care enough. The point of the cover was "will it sell funnybooks." Once the cover was done and it was determined that it was likely to sell funnybooks changing the cover to make it make baseball sense is needless effort costs money. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 31, 2019 15:15:05 GMT -5
@mrp , thats so funny. I guess it's a well known violation of basic baseball. I'm wondering who didn't know enough or care enough to "catch" this? Did Carmine not know where the bag was in relation to what I assume is meant to be the coach's box (even though it's gras surrounded by dirt in Gorilla Stadium.) I'll go ahead and guess the answer is care enough. The point of the cover was "will it sell funnybooks." Once the cover was done and it was determined that it was likely to sell funnybooks changing the cover to make it make baseball sense is needless effort costs money. Occam's razor slices again. Which probably means Carmine didn't know much about baseball to begin with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 15:35:42 GMT -5
Oh, and what's up with the gorilla giving the "Live long and prosper" sign? That's not "live long and prosper" - wrong fingers! |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 31, 2019 17:59:04 GMT -5
Oh, and what's up with the gorilla giving the "Live long and prosper" sign? That's not "live long and prosper" - wrong fingers! So the gorilla’s dyslexic. |
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Post by foxley on Jul 31, 2019 18:23:40 GMT -5
This reminded me of how Neal Adams added those archery gloves on Green Arrow when he changed his look in 1969. I believe I read an interview with him in which he stated that there are some artists who clearly don't realise the purpose that they serve since they'll draw the gloves so that the straps are worn on the inside of the arm rather than the outside. This looks right to a layman, but it defeats the purpose of the gloves since the heavily covered part of the glove is supposed to be worn on the inside of the arm to prevent the bow from scrapping against bare flesh when it's let go. Adams did the research when he redesigned GA's costume, and deliberately made it resemble stylized archery gear. The straps on the inside of the arm is a horrible mistake. Other artists have drawn the glove with the index and middle finger exposed, which is the opposite of how archery gloves are.
This actually made think about Hawkeye. His early costumes did not include gloves. The reasons archers wear a glove (or a finger tab) on their draw hand is that the bowstring can cause nerve damage to the fingers. Given the poundage Hawkeye is pulling on his bows, he would have sustained enough damage to render the index and middle fingers on his right hand useless.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 31, 2019 18:32:24 GMT -5
That's not "live long and prosper" - wrong fingers! So the gorilla’s dyslexic. Die quick; and penniless! |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 31, 2019 19:07:25 GMT -5
About five years ago, I took up archery as hobby. Since then I have become a lot more sensitive to way archery is depicted in media; especially comics.
@mechagodzilla recently posted this cover in the Cover Association Game. While it is a glorious piece of Murphy Anderson art, it could be used as an illustration for 'How Not to Use a Bow':
- Her bow arm is bent. This greatly reduces the force of the shot, makes accuracy impossible, and almost guarantees she will hit her arm with the bowstring.
- She is gripping the bow like a pistol. This absolutely guarantees that will will her arm with the bowstring.
- The bowstring should be drawn back so it touches her face; not the foot or so away from her face she seems to be holding it.
- There is no way to sight along the shaft at the height she is holding it.
- On her draw arm, her elbow is way too far forward. It should be back behind her shoulder.
- She is drawing across her body rather than straight back.
- In that position, she cannot be engaging her shoulder muscles: the most important muscles in archery.
I could go on, but my point here is not to nitpick. Rather, I am curious as to what areas others have some expertise in that causes them to notice errors that others would never even see. Possibly even with a demonstration like this one. It doesn’t beat Conan trying to handlle a bow! Just about the only thing that’s correct in that image is that he’s not pointing the arrow at himself!  |
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Post by foxley on Jul 31, 2019 20:21:09 GMT -5
It doesn’t beat Conan trying to handlle a bow! Just about the only thing that’s correct in that image is that he’s not pointing the arrow at himself! What he's doing there is good way to lose an ear! And is he holding the arrow between his thumb and index finger?!  |
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 1, 2019 17:39:06 GMT -5
You'd think a baseball fanatic like Julius Schwartz would insist Infantino get the details on those covers right. Then again:
SCHWARTZ: Carmine, the field layout is all wrong, and nobody slides into a base like that!
INFANTINO: It's a f'in' gorilla playin' f'in' baseball and yer worried about f'in' realism??
IRWIN DONENFELD: Okay the damn cover, Julie, and worry about that crap on your own time. We got sausages, I mean comic books to grind out!
Cei-U!
I summon the idle speculation!
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