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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 5, 2019 9:50:23 GMT -5
I really like the Dark Knight. It's an extremely dense movie, thematically, so it seems a little absurd to boil the whole movie down to one simple allegory so you can get huffy about it. RR did a good job showing why the "war on terror" take is a lot more nuanced than Hamm is giving credit for, but even if his point wasn't iffy I see it as more'n a little intellectually lazy to boil the Dark Knight down to being about just one thing. The "great" thing about Nolan is that at some point in the movie a character will go into long exposition about the themes of the movie. |
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Post by badwolf on Aug 9, 2019 14:49:07 GMT -5
I just re-watched Batman Begins and though I still like it, I was not as dazzled by it as I was in the theater. On home video the flaws become apparent. It's a bit messy plot-wise--why the fake Ra's? Just so there can be a twist toward the end? Bale's mask is ill-fitting and his bat-voice comical at times. And as Cei-U mentions, his blatant disregard for property and people does not sit right. (At one point the Tumbler drives right over a police car with officers in it!)
I think Cillian Murphy was the high point of the film. Scarecrow is my favorite Batman foe and I thought he was perfect. The scene with Falcone, in particular, is fantastic (short as it is). I'm glad they brought him back for cameos in the other films.
Have to refresh on the second film but I don't recall getting the impression that Batman planned to monitor citizens always; it was solely to help him find the Joker. Because of the specific nature of the threat, I'm able to give him a pass. Extenuating circumstances.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 11, 2019 19:56:37 GMT -5
I re-watched The Dark Knight today. I used to prefer the first film, but now that I've seen them again close together, I think this is the better one. It's tighter and more focused, though like most Nolan films it's too long, with too many "acts" (and I still think Two-Face should have been left out entirely).
Regarding Hamm's assessment, I disagree even more strongly now. Lucius Fox, like Alfred, is a voice of wisdom in these films, and he objects to the technique, so if anything it's a criticism of Bush. And Bruce has already programmed the system to self-destruct once the job is done, so it was only ever intended for single use. Finally it isn't quite the same as Batman isn't listening to anyone's conversations; only Joker's voice registers--the rest is garbled noise.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 12, 2019 17:21:33 GMT -5
By the way, I was highly amused at the repeated mention of the MCU (Major Crimes Unit).  |
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