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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 8, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -5
Shouldn't he be wearing Gargoyles instead of his old sunglasses?
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Apr 8, 2020 12:36:29 GMT -5
For me, I am an art lover. If a story has great art and a meh story, I can still deal with it because it is a visual medium. I have a hard time with a crappily drawn story that is good or even great. Those seem rare but hey, the 90's may have some I don't know about because the art across the board was terrific.
Pick any era and I can show you something great artistically that would get you intrigued. 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's. The 90's? I have yet to see something that blow me away or that I would even consider nice enough to display on a wall or share with someone.
If you can convince me otherwise with something, do it. Otherwise, 90's comics will forever be a meh world for me and one I just prefer not to visit. Not a Lee fan, not a Liefeld fan and their styles seemed to dominate and were emulated and I disliked all of it.
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Post by brianf on Apr 8, 2020 15:05:46 GMT -5
For me, I am an art lover. If a story has great art and a meh story, I can still deal with it because it is a visual medium. I have a hard time with a crappily drawn story that is good or even great. Those seem rare but hey, the 90's may have some I don't know about because the art across the board was terrific. Pick any era and I can show you something great artistically that would get you intrigued. 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's. The 90's? I have yet to see something that blow me away or that I would even consider nice enough to display on a wall or share with someone. If you can convince me otherwise with something, do it. Otherwise, 90's comics will forever be a meh world for me and one I just prefer not to visit. Not a Lee fan, not a Liefeld fan and their styles seemed to dominate and were emulated and I disliked all of it. I'm in the process of re-reading the 75 issue 1990s Vertigo series Books Of Magic. Beyond some beautiful covers by Kaluta the interior art by Peter Gross is pretty solid    |
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 8, 2020 17:58:27 GMT -5
Pick any era and I can show you something great artistically that would get you intrigued. 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's. The 90's? I have yet to see something that blow me away or that I would even consider nice enough to display on a wall or share with someone. If you can convince me otherwise with something, do it. Otherwise, 90's comics will forever be a meh world for me and one I just prefer not to visit. Not a Lee fan, not a Liefeld fan and their styles seemed to dominate and were emulated and I disliked all of it.   I'd certainly frame and hang that on my wall. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 18:01:52 GMT -5
A mullet on Superman was just wrong. He's not supposed to look like Rambo.
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 8, 2020 18:31:50 GMT -5
A mullet on Superman was just wrong. He's not supposed to look like Rambo.
But was it really all that worse than Electric Red/Blue Supes? Pick any era and I can show you something great artistically that would get you intrigued. 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's. The 90's? I have yet to see something that blow me away or that I would even consider nice enough to display on a wall or share with someone. I once hung up the included poster that came with Bloodshot #1 purely out of spite just because of awful it looked. Does that count?  I usually like Barry Windsor-Smith's artwork, but his rendition of Bloodshot is just godawful. Nu-Valiant even put it on a t-shirt |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 18:40:34 GMT -5
But was it really all that worse than Electric Red/Blue Supes?
Oh that's another nightmare.
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 8, 2020 19:14:21 GMT -5
A mullet on Superman was just wrong. He's not supposed to look like Rambo.
Back in the day, I hated this look. In hindsight, I'm indifferent to it. I don't think Superman with long hair is bad in concept, but the execution could've been far better. A longer, neater style would've made for a flattering appearance. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Apr 8, 2020 19:33:43 GMT -5
I like the late '90s Avengers and X-Men with Alan Davis art (and sometimes story) a lot, and the Thunderbolts with Mark Bagley. Mike Wieringo did some nice Spider-Man I thought too. It goes without saying George Perez was great on The Avengers, and John Byrne on X-Men: Hidden Years, The Lost Generation and others. Carlos Pacheco on Avengers: Forever was wonderful too. Andy and Adam Kubert on various titles, Ka-Zar, Captain America. Dan Jurgens art for Captain America was superb. Steve Epting on Avengers and The Invaders was amazing. I also liked Terry and Rachel Dodson on Generation X and Jim Cheung on X Force. The last two like Wieringo aren't to everyone's taste as they are a little cartoony, but to me it's in a quality and unique way like early Staton, or Golden and Broderick. A cover of Wieringo greatness (r.i.p.)...  Steve Epting and Alan Davis Avengers...   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 6:50:42 GMT -5
I'll admit I did like these, even though I was avoiding 99% of the X-books at the time as they were being released like confetti.
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Post by rom on Apr 9, 2020 9:36:31 GMT -5
Most of the comics that Marvel & Image came out with in the '90's were s$%#. I.e., the new "X-men", "Spider-man", and Image comics had, overall, cookie-cutter interchangeable artwork & poor writing. They successfully tricked people into buying multiple covers of the same comic with the false promise that they were good "investments" (ha ha) - but between the covers it was all garbage. And, these multiple cover issues ended up being worth less than the paper they were printed off. What a joke.
Conversely, I really enjoyed what DC & Dark Horse were doing in the '90's. DC's Vertigo line was amazing, i.e. Sandman, Death: The High Cost of Living, Hellblazer, Preacher, Black Orchid (though that was late '80's), etc.
And, I did feel that DC's The Death & Life of Superman, and the Knightfall/Knightquest/Knightsend storylines were decent & well-done. Sure, they were designed by DC to get new readers into each respective series, but I felt the art was well-done (overall) and the writing was interesting re: both storylines.
Also really enjoyed Dark Horse's Star Wars comics, the post-apocalyptic maxi-series Grendel: War Child, and some of their other books.
So, yes - the '90's did have some good series/titles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 9:54:07 GMT -5
I like the late '90s Avengers and X-Men with Alan Davis art (and sometimes story) a lot, and the Thunderbolts with Mark Bagley. Mike Wieringo did some nice Spider-Man I thought too. It goes without saying George Perez was great on The Avengers, and John Byrne on X-Men: Hidden Years, The Lost Generation and others. Carlos Pacheco on Avengers: Forever was wonderful too. Andy and Adam Kubert on various titles, Ka-Zar, Captain America. Dan Jurgens art for Captain America was superb. Steve Epting on Avengers and The Invaders was amazing. I also liked Terry and Rachel Dodson on Generation X and Jim Cheung on X Force. The last two like Wieringo aren't to everyone's taste as they are a little cartoony, but to me it's in a quality and unique way like early Staton, or Golden and Broderick. I agree with most of this list, but I think Gary Frank needs to be on it, from Hulk and Supergirl. |
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Post by The Cheat on Apr 9, 2020 13:47:53 GMT -5
Fairly sure the 90s had the same proportion of greatness, mediocrity, and crap as every other decade.
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Post by tartanphantom on Apr 9, 2020 16:52:45 GMT -5
Fairly sure the 90s had the same proportion of greatness, mediocrity, and crap as every other decade.
for the win. 👍
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Post by tartanphantom on Apr 9, 2020 16:55:15 GMT -5
I'll admit I did like these, even though I was avoiding 99% of the X-books at the time as they were being released like confetti.
That's a great way to put it. Couldn't ever get on with any of the X-books in the 90's, myself. The crossovers and tie-ins got to a point of ridiculousness. It was a mess.
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