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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2019 21:54:21 GMT -5
I was wondering if the title would be frowned upon. I'm of the opinion that some of the # me too movement is overblown without any proof at all. The scans I've posted are kisses between 2 adults. and some are welcome and some are rebuffed. Just like real life. You're skirting the point -- you are calling out #metoo in the title. Whether or not SOME of the people who took part in that were not on the level, you dismiss the movement as a whole by using it here and for this purpose. And I find that extremely offensive. As for your second point, if a 6' tall dude in leather and spikes shoves his tongue down your throat tomorrow, I'm pretty sure you'll see the issue differently. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2019 22:04:42 GMT -5
Thank you for changing the thread title.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 2, 2019 22:05:37 GMT -5
I changed the title although we'll have to agree to disagree about the nature of attraction between the sexes. I've went in for a kiss many times in my life and had women kiss me without warning. You either enjoy it or tell the person to stop and not do it again.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2019 22:10:35 GMT -5
I changed the title although we'll have to agree to disagree about the nature of attraction between the sexes. I've went in for a kiss many times in my life and had women kiss me without warning. You either enjoy it or tell the person to stop and not do it again. To go back to the 6' tall dude example, the difference is that men tend to be larger and more physically intimidating. Whereas a man can afford to feel complimented in such a situation, a woman sometimes feels powerless and potentially in danger. If she says "stop," will he get mad? And if she doesn't... Just asking you to consider that it isn't the same experience for a woman some of the time. That mainstream culture normalized it doesn't necessarily mean the women were ever okay with it in real life. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 2, 2019 22:17:28 GMT -5
In your example if a 6' foot man went in for a kiss I would rebuff his advances. I am straight , but I assume that in the example we at least know each other. It's not a stranger off the street. I've had 6' women go in for a kiss and the world didn't end. A kiss is not rape and nothing that some women say 30 years later will make it so. It seems many of the recent accusations tend to be ancient occurrences.
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Post by rberman on Sept 2, 2019 22:21:01 GMT -5
In more innocent times a man would kiss a woman and a women would kiss a man and it wouldn't involve lawyers. Comics have been full of such encounters. Here are some examples. Maybe Lois Lane started it all off  Interesting that we missed the actual kiss. I guess that was too racy to show. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 2, 2019 22:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2019 22:23:57 GMT -5
A kiss is not rape and nothing that some women say 30 years later will make it so. It seems many of the recent accusations tend to be ancient occurrences. Kissing someone without consent could be considered sexual harassment and/or assault, depending upon the context and specifics. No one is calling it rape. Two very different levels. But yeah, if someone goes in for an unrequested kiss, it absolutely can make someone feel uncomfortable and violated. The fun of a kiss is it is both sensual and intimate. If the other person did not consent, there is absolutely something wrong with forcing a sensual and intimate moment upon them. As for the context of time, our society used to put such pressure on young women to remain virginal and untouched that it truly complicated dating. Some of them really wanted that kiss but felt they could never invite it. So, when the dude stole a kiss, they protested...but only a little. Others truly didn't want the dude's tongue in their mouths. It was a confusing situation for all, and I'm sure a lot of misunderstandings came from it. We don't live in that society anymore. Stealing a kiss (or even encouraging someone to do so) is wrong. Not rape level, but definitely wrong. Women are not pleasure objects for men to grab and utilize as we see fit. Women have the absolute right to dictate who gets to enjoy their bodies and who does not. It's that simple. |
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Post by foxley on Sept 2, 2019 23:53:36 GMT -5
BYRNNNNNNNNNNEEEE !!!!!  How is she talking while doing that??  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 3, 2019 6:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 3, 2019 6:06:52 GMT -5
BYRNNNNNNNNNNEEEE !!!!! How is she talking while doing that?? Talking? I'm wondering if she's 15 ! |
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Post by badwolf on Sept 3, 2019 9:16:29 GMT -5
Catfishing Catwoman!!
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Post by rberman on Sept 3, 2019 9:28:55 GMT -5
How is she talking while doing that?? Talking? I'm wondering if she's 15 ! Comic books are often pretty free with kisses from their impulsive teen characters.  |
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Post by Randle-El on Sept 3, 2019 11:20:41 GMT -5
If #metoo comes off as being overly militant as times, I think we should strive to understand why. Martin Luther King Jr once said that "riots are the langauge of the unheard". If we are put off by #metoo, maybe we should try to understand why they are so upset before we get offended at their tone or message. Maybe we should stop and consider what it feels like to be assaulted or touched in an unwanted fashion, and maybe we should consider why the power dynamics allow men to get away with it and women feel like they can't say anything.
Politically I consider myself to be centrist, although when it comes to social/sexual mores I'm probably a lot more conservative than the average city-dwelling American. But that being said, I've never ever once felt threatened by #metoo. And maybe, shockingly, some of those conservative social mores are actually responsible for that. A long time ago I learned such regressive values as treating others the way I would want to be treated. That I should keep my hands to myself and not touch people in an unwanted fashion. And this will really sound quaint and repressive... but I learned that men should be gentlemen, and to treat women respectfully, to treat them the way I would treat my sister or my mother. That never kept me from asking girls out on dates or getting the occasional hug or kiss from them.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't think it's really that complicated.
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Post by MDG on Sept 3, 2019 11:31:29 GMT -5
It seems in a lot of these examples--and usually when the male is the "aggressor"--the unwanted kiss signals that the character's being a jerk.
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