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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 9:41:23 GMT -5
Searching only the thread titles, I could not find a topic for 2015's Fantastic Four, which I watched on Sunday. I may as well share what I posted on Facebook:
I watched the 2015 Fantastic Four film last night.
What on earth did I watch?!
Is is completely different from any comic book version of the FF. I can't fault the performances, set pieces or special effects, but why did this even need to be a Fantastic Four movie? None of the characters were recognisable to me. The film could and should have had another name.
It feels like Fox just wanted to put out a generic sci-fi movie - and thought tagging "Fantastic Four" on the film would sell a few more cinema tickets.
And Doctor Doom was terrible. He looked like a rusty crash dummy. Like the FF, he was completely different from his comic book counterpart. Completely pointless changes, I feel.
I'd give it 8 out of 10 for special effects, 8 out of 10 for earnest performances by the cast, 2 out of 10 for execution, and 1 out of 10 for characterisation. I sincerely hope Marvel Studios gives us a Fantastic Four movie to be proud of.
Those were my thoughts. (And if anyone wishes to add me on Facebook, it's in my profile somewhere!).
Having watched the "making of" documentary, I can appreciate what they were trying to do. The talking heads on the documentary talked about various aspects of the movie, e.g. making the characters powers manifest based on their personalities, the thought put into the costume designs, Doom looking the way he did as he'd sucked the energy out of that planet, etc. They clearly had passion. If there was an Academy Award for Passion, they'd get it.
Horrible execution, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 9:49:11 GMT -5
I agree with all your points except one ... 8 out of 10 for earnest performances by the cast; I give it a 5 out of 10 because I feel that this cast did not execute their roles right and I felt that Doctor Doom is a total joke and I also feel that this is one of most difficult movie to watch that year. I just don't care for it and the execution is beyond horrible and that alone and I saw this movie with friends that goes to my LCS that they just can't stomach it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:38:01 GMT -5
You make a good point, but then that begs the eternal question: can actors ever rise above a script that doesn't work?
Sure, some do. But then you have great actors like Robert De Niro - and I think to myself, 'Could he have done anything with a bad script?'
I've enjoyed those FF actors in other things, but maybe they just couldn't do anything with that script. Could anyone? I really don't know what the script was thinking when it came to Doctor Doom. He looked like a crash dummy that had been left to rust for several years.
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Post by badwolf on Oct 29, 2019 16:20:38 GMT -5
As bad as it was, it was still better than the previous effort.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 16:29:30 GMT -5
As bad as it was, it was still better than the previous effort. For me, the previous one, with its many flaws, was at least recognisable as the Fantastic Four. And there were good moments in it for me. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 29, 2019 20:05:15 GMT -5
As bad as it was, it was still better than the previous effort. I disagree. Both that one and its sequel got a lot of things right, like the personalities and relationships of the FF themselves. Unfortunately, what they got wrong (Doom and, to a lesser degree, Galactus) was so very wrong that it scuttled all of the good stuff. Anyway, The Incredibles remains the best Fantastic Four movie. 
Cei-U! I summon the way-cool movie Fantasticar!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 4:34:21 GMT -5
If the 2005-2007 franchise had got Doom/Galactus right, I think the films would have been much richer! It felt like they were embarrassed to show Galactus in all his glory. I quite like the Silver Surfer moments. And the personalities and relationships of the FF are good things about the films. I might agree about The Incredibles. Hmm, who was that at the end of the first movie? |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 30, 2019 6:08:09 GMT -5
Searching only the thread titles, I could not find a topic for 2015's Fantastic Four, which I watched on Sunday. I may as well share what I posted on Facebook: I watched the 2015 Fantastic Four film last night. What on earth did I watch?! Is is completely different from any comic book version of the FF. I can't fault the performances, set pieces or special effects, but why did this even need to be a Fantastic Four movie? None of the characters were recognisable to me. The film could and should have had another name. It feels like Fox just wanted to put out a generic sci-fi movie - and thought tagging "Fantastic Four" on the film would sell a few more cinema tickets. Precisely. I didn’t dislike it as much as I expected after reading the reviews, but I fully agree with you: this was a rather generic CGI SF adventure with little to do with the dynamics of the original material. The same was true of Blade in the early 2000s, but at least that movie tried something a little original. You’re being kind, which is all to your credit. The end result looked (to me, at least) much more like a generic product conceived by committee than the unique vision of passionate fans. Not unwatchable by any means, and it had some good moments, but it might actually have benefitted from not being called Fantastic Four; expectations wouldn’t have been the same, and the story might have stood better on its own legs than as an introduction to a new franchise. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 7:30:05 GMT -5
Perhaps I am being kind.  I don't know for sure. They spoke to various creative personnel, and they genuinely seemed to have put some thought into certain decisions, e.g. how the powers manifested, why they manifested, the circumstances in which they did manifest, etc. But who knows what really went on? There must have been 11 minutes screentime from the time "Crash Dummy Doom" woke up to his defeat. We never got to see the FF develop as a unit. We never really got an insight into Doom's mind beyond a vague allusion to bitterness. With more screentime, perhaps we could have found out WHY he became bitter, HOW he felt about being in that realm, how that equated to his feelings of anger towards Earth - and why he wanted it destroyed. Where was the script editor? The "one year later" thing doesn't work, either. We should have seen the FF/military relationship develop, not a lax "one year later" jump. When they do another FF movie, and I'm no script editor (or writer), there are certain things they should do. I don't see what is wrong with being true to the Doom of the comics. In an interview, Stan Lee talked about the "diplomatic immunity" angle. A monarch with delusions of grandeur, who sees the FF as a threat, and has a history with Reed, works. I don't want Corporate Doom, Crash Dummy Doom, etc. I suppose if Fox hadn't been bought by Disney, and did another FF years later, Doom would be a parking attendant who had trolled people on social media or head of a cosmetics company. Why don't they want to do comic book Doom? How ironic that the only film to try that was the unreleased 1994 movie... |
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Post by badwolf on Oct 30, 2019 9:37:36 GMT -5
As bad as it was, it was still better than the previous effort. I disagree. Both that one and its sequel got a lot of things right, like the personalities and relationships of the FF themselves. Unfortunately, what they got wrong (Doom and, to a lesser degree, Galactus) was so very wrong that it scuttled all of the good stuff. Anyway, The Incredibles remains the best Fantastic Four movie.
Cei-U! I summon the way-cool movie Fantasticar!
I thought Galactus was the only thing they did right. Everything else was off, and it felt like it was made for five year-olds.
The Incredibles was okay. It never seemed much like the FF to me, though. (Yeah, they're a family and one of them can stretch.)
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Post by rberman on Oct 30, 2019 9:41:31 GMT -5
Is is completely different from any comic book version of the FF. I can't fault the performances, set pieces or special effects, but why did this even need to be a Fantastic Four movie? None of the characters were recognisable to me. The film could and should have had another name. It feels like Fox just wanted to put out a generic sci-fi movie - and thought tagging "Fantastic Four" on the film would sell a few more cinema tickets. According to Wikipedia, "Slater's original script featured the villains Galactus and Dr. Doom with Doom depicted as a spy who becomes a herald of Galactus, and eventually the dictator of Latveria." That's still off. Anyway, Fox lost confidence in director Josh Trank during filming. They took the movie away from him in the editing phase and crafted a new film out of the footage that was available. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 10:59:03 GMT -5
One reason I'd like a really great FF franchise is that I could see it being a "launching pad" for Namor and the Silver Surfer.
Could Namor and Silver Surfer carry solo movies? I am sure they could, but a Fantastic Four film could shine the spotlight on them, test the audience reaction - and then potentially allow them to "graduate" to solo movies in the future.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 30, 2019 17:49:18 GMT -5
One reason I'd like a really great FF franchise is that I could see it being a "launching pad" for Namor and the Silver Surfer. Could Namor and Silver Surfer carry solo movies? I am sure they could, but a Fantastic Four film could shine the spotlight on them, test the audience reaction - and then potentially allow them to "graduate" to solo movies in the future. At this point, I’d definitely rely on the Guardians of the galaxy franchise to introduce the Surfer to the MCU. We’ve had the Infinity Gauntlet (sort of); I could see the next build up giving us Annihilation. |
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Post by Duragizer on Oct 30, 2019 18:26:50 GMT -5
If the 2005-2007 franchise had got Doom/Galactus right, I think the films would have been much richer! Not casting Jessica Alba as Sue would've helped lots, too. [EDIT] I love it when I unintentionally rhyme. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 31, 2019 15:27:38 GMT -5
One reason I'd like a really great FF franchise is that I could see it being a "launching pad" for Namor and the Silver Surfer. Could Namor and Silver Surfer carry solo movies? I am sure they could, but a Fantastic Four film could shine the spotlight on them, test the audience reaction - and then potentially allow them to "graduate" to solo movies in the future. At this point, I’d definitely rely on the Guardians of the galaxy franchise to introduce the Surfer to the MCU. We’ve had the Infinity Gauntlet (sort of); I could see the next build up giving us Annihilation. And with Thor apparently hanging with the GotG, they could recreate that iconic Silver Surfer cover with Thor in some form or fashion, then move towards an Annihilation storyline that could introduce the FF to the MCU. |
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