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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 13:39:36 GMT -5
What if Bob Kane used his original Batman costume design for Detective Comics #27??...  I'd like to read more about that, but Google "hates me". A search is revealing only images and links to the Batman costume we know. Is there a site/blog you know of which covers this, and perhaps more, in great detail? |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 9, 2019 13:42:42 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Terry Gilliam met John Cleese while working for Help! If Kurtzman stays at Mad that likely doesn't happen and the entire course of Monty Python could have changed dramatically. Help! lasted quite awhile I thought, if sometimes on an erratic schedule. Also some of the early underground cartoonists like Crumb and Shelton got started there. No Gilliam going to England (and tv program Do Not Adjust Your Set with Jones, Palin, Idle and Neil Innes) might've meant some more of his brilliant and impactful cartoons! If there isn't a book of his cartoon work there really should be, 'Fang' was great before Python. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 13:46:07 GMT -5
What if Bob Kane used his original Batman costume design for Detective Comics #27??... I'd like to read more about that, but Google "hates me". A search is revealing only images and links to the Batman costume we know. Is there a site/blog you know of which covers this, and perhaps more, in great detail? Ty Templeton is the one who popularized that image inhis cartoon in support of Bill Finger found on his website and seen below...  it's based on the concept sketches and color schemes Kane had done and points to everythingthat isn't in the Batman mythos without Finger's involvement. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 13:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 9, 2019 14:39:10 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Terry Gilliam met John Cleese while working for Help! If Kurtzman stays at Mad that likely doesn't happen and the entire course of Monty Python could have changed dramatically. Help! lasted quite awhile I thought, if sometimes on an erratic schedule. Also some of the early underground cartoonists like Crumb and Shelton got started there. No Gilliam going to England (and tv program Do Not Adjust Your Set with Jones, Palin, Idle and Neil Innes) might've meant some more of his brilliant and impactful cartoons! If there isn't a book of his cartoon work there really should be, 'Fang' was great before Python. 26 issues over five years. It kept pretty much a monthly schedule for the first year. Then it took almost six months off and was pretty sporadic from there on out. |
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Post by MDG on Dec 9, 2019 15:42:19 GMT -5
That's a real interesting one--MAD was already successful when he left, but would it have grown like it did with him in charge? His follow up projects were well done, but never found an audience. It would've been interesting to see if Trump would have succeeded had Hef been able to continue it, but Kurtzman seemed to get in his own way (Hefner: “I gave Harvey Kurtzman an unlimited budget, and he exceeded it.”)
Kurtzman always seemed to be in a situation where money was tight. Everything I've seen indicates that sales for Trump were pretty decent, especially for a new, fairly expensive magazine. But it also hit when Hefner was in a major money crunch. Hef scaled back across the board for a few years and Trump was one of the victims. Humbug was undercapitalized and its small size made it disappear on the newsstand. Help! lasted a little longer but was generally under-capitalized. I think the problem was always going to be one of Kurtzman over-reaching his budget. If he had hit Hefner at the right time it might have worked out. But Gaines didn't have the kind of pockets that Hef had and I think there's a good chance that a Mad that was continued to be driven by Kurtzman could have collapsed under the costs. Keep in mind that Terry Gilliam met John Cleese while working for Help! If Kurtzman stays at Mad that likely doesn't happen and the entire course of Monty Python could have changed dramatically. Yeah--I also meant to mention Feldstein's business acumen as something that led to the large--including global-- growth of MAD during the 60s. I don't know if global editions, musicals, records, etc. would've happened under Kurtzman. |
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Post by zilch on Dec 10, 2019 19:26:12 GMT -5
An altered Monty Python also affects Saturday Night Live, as does an altered Mad (and its effect on Harvard/National Lampoon).
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Post by DubipR on Dec 10, 2019 21:15:46 GMT -5
What if Jack Cole didn't do what he did....
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 11, 2019 5:34:42 GMT -5
What if Jack Cole didn't do what he did.... Very possibly no E-man, then. And I shudder to think of a world without E-man... |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Dec 11, 2019 12:37:18 GMT -5
it's based on the concept sketches and color schemes Kane had done and points to everythingthat isn't in the Batman mythos without Finger's involvement.
Almost. Those drawings don't exist. This is a reconstruction based on a verbal description of the sketch.
What if ... (since we were speaking of Jack Cole) the Silver Streak fought the Claw instead of Daredevil? Logically it makes infinitely more sense, but then what would have happened to 'Daredevil and the Little Wise Guys'?
What if ... Jim Shooter hadn't 'professionalised' Marvel in the early 80s, so that the anarchic, creative, drugged-out Marvel of the 70s had just kept going?
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