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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 24, 2019 9:35:16 GMT -5
In the autumn of 1968, not long after my father started giving me $20 allowance a month, a new store opened in our neighborhood, one that carried a full line of comic books displayed not in spinner racks but on shelves, just like the other magazines. In that pre-LCS era, this was the closest thing to geek nirvana I’d ever come. They had Archies, Harveys, Gold Keys, DCs and—of critical importance to this 10-year-old Marvel zombie—the full line of the House of Ideas’ comics. That first trip I came home with The Amazing Spider-Man #68, Thor #159, Iron Man #9, Doctor Strange #176, Sub-Mariner #9, Daredevil #48, Not Brand Echh #11, The Avengers #59, and today’s final entry: 1. The Silver Surfer and Thor, The Silver Surfer #4 (Marvel, 1968)
From the opening splash of a sulky Loki slouched on his palace throne to the final panel of the Surfer driven to his knees in despair, this comic totally blew my mind. This was my idea of a crossover: a destructive encounter over New York between the Sky-Rider of the Spaceways and the God of Mischief, followed by an epic throwdown in Asgard between our hero and his hammer-wielding guest star. It wasn’t much, as plots go. Even then, I’d seen Loki pull this same stunt several times before, but given the power and excitement on display, who cared? We know now the real purpose behind this issue. Stan Lee, sensing that longtime creative partner and Thor artist supreme Jack Kirby was getting restless, wanted to try out a new artist on the Asgardian’s adventures, much as he’d used a guest shot by Spider-Man in Daredevil years before to test if John Romita could replace an unhappy Steve Ditko on Spidey’s own title. And what a test run this turned out to be! This (and the aforementioned Avengers #59) was my first exposure to the art of John Buscema. My reaction was exactly like my response to my first exposures years later to Garcia-Lopez, Jerry Ordway, and Steve Rude: “I want to see this guy draw everything!” And over the next twentyfive ears, that’s pretty much exactly what Buscema did. I loved his versions of Asgard, Thor, Odin, Sif, Balder, the Warriors Three, all of it. Needless to say, when Kirby did indeed leave for DC and Buscema took over Thor, I was ecstatic. So there you have it: a heart-pounding super-hero vs super-hero battle drawn by one of comics’ greatest draftsmen, all seen through the eyes of a prepubescent fanboy who’d finally found a reliable source for his monthly Marvel fix. Throw in the single best bit of weiting Stan Lee ever crafted—the Surfer’s soliloquy on pp.10-11 about living among the beasts—and how could I possibly have chosen anything else? Cei-U! I summon the joys of comic collecting.. and of the season! I’m leaving this afternoon to spend the next few days celebrating with family, so I’ll be offline for a bit. Thank you all for participating in what I think has been one of the most fun TDCCCs yet. Have a wonderful holiday, my friends, and I’ll see you on the flipside.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 9:51:52 GMT -5
And on the twelfth day of Christmas, I give you 1981's Superman and Spider-Man: This is the best DC/Marvel crossover ever. And that is not open for debate. I will fight you in the gym (boxing) if you dispute that. The story sees Superman and Spider-Man teaming up to save the world from Doctor Doom and the Parasite. Throw the Hulk and Wonder Woman into the mix (neither of whom take anything away from the Supes/Spidey stuff) and you have the ultimate crossover. I believe this was written by Jim Shooter (who I consider to be an underrated writer), although some sites mention a co-writing credit for Marv Wolfman. I can't place my hand on the book right now to check. John Buscema draws, assisted by many. This is a very wordy book - and I do not mean wordy in a pejorative sense - and one that is never diminished by countless rereads. The characters gel so well. The shared Earth approach is far superior to the separate universes crossover contrivances that some later crossovers depended on. Peter Parker considers transferring to Metropolis. Jonah Jameson wants a story on Superman. Superman visits Latveria. Wonder Woman mentions how she had always planned to hunt Spidey. Superman places the Bruce Banner in the care of S.T.A.R. Labs. When you have a shared Earth approach, these are the things you can do, far better than having characters simply hop dimensions throughout the multiverse. This isn't a Superman story guest starring Spider-Man. It isn't a Spider-Man story guest starring Superman. Both feel equally important even during the scene where Supes tries to tell Spidey to step aside so he can handle Doom and Parasite. And the stakes are high. The story doesn't reference Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man. Wikipedia references this story as a "spiritual sequel". It does feel like a first meeting between the two. And I felt touched at the end when Clark Kent told Perry White and Lois Lane that Superman had told him he'd stake his life on Spider-Man. Although one knew this would be a crossover that would reset the status quo, throughout the adventure, it feels like things could change. One could believe Parker might transfer to Metropolis or that S.T.A.R. Labs might hold the key to curing the Hulk. Also, I was disappointed while reading 1996's DC vs. Marvel to see Clark Kent look at a photo of Spidey fighting Man-Bat - and then say something like, "I don't know who that is." Yes, you do. You met in a 1981 crossover. Why, oh why, did the companies have to go down the soulless "separate universes" approach in the 90s? *Sighs* There will never be a better DC/Marvel crossover than this one for me. I have read this about 17,246 times - and pretty soon I'll read it for the 17,247th time? It fully deserves to be no. 1 on my list.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 9:54:34 GMT -5
On the twelfth day of Christmas, Santa sent four blokes in trenchcoats to take me on a magical mystery tour... The Books of Magic #1-4 by Neil Gaiman John Bolton, Scott Hampton, Charles Vess, and Paul Johnson The Phantom Stranger, Dr. Occult, John Constantine and Mister E take Tim Hunter on a magical journey through DC's mystical world with appearances by Dr. Fate, Zatanna, Deadman, Etrigan, Titania and others along the way... In the late 80s I was really getting into DC's mystical heroes-Doctor Fate, Phantom Stranger, Madame Xanadu, Zatanna and Spectre mostly, and I was an early adopter of Sandman and had become a big Gaiman fan, so when this series was announced, I was all in and so hyped, and when it came out, it did not disappoint. It was simply, everything I ever wanted in a comic book at that time. And with all that lush painted art by Bolton, Vess and others, it was something I could revisit time and again and never become visually bored, and well I could revisit a Gaiman tale most any time and simply be engrossed in the telling, so this was a series that had a profound impact on me at the time and became a perennial favorite. And since this is about favorite team ups, this one lands in the top spot. -M
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Post by DubipR on Dec 24, 2019 9:55:57 GMT -5
1. Archie Meets the PunisherWritten by: Batton Lash Drawn by: Stan Goldberg and John Buscema (Tom Palmer inks) Marvel and Archie Comics 1994 When an infamous drug smuggler known as "Red" goes on the run to turn states evidence, the government ask Frank Castle to bring him in alive. Escaping from New York, Red hides out in Riverdale, unbeknownst to Archie Andrews and his gang. Red looks amazingly like Archie and Punisher pursues Archie; throw some mobsters who have the same agenda as Castle and you have a crossover that works on so many levels! Comedy! Action! Bullets! Burgers! What was announced as a project between Archie and Marvel Comics, the comics audience laughed it off and took it as a joke. What made it great was the pen of one man... Batton Lash. Lash, who's Supernatural Law comics are a great blend of comedy and drama to make compelling and fun comics. The perfect man to write this one-shot. Lash did not fail. It was perfect, blending the gritty aspects of New York and an underbelly of Riverdale, but it a playful light tone. Also, the cat and mouse action between Archie and the Punisher works like an action film and 3 Stooges short; equal parts slapstick and parts Cameron film. Also, placing Castle in a position where he's usually not active; attempting to be an extrovert and blend in into Riverdale. The idea of him being the P.E. coach to Archie and the gang is so fun and perfect; also the mild crush Ms. Grundy has on Frank is so charming. Then the art. You have two legends in the field working together. Stan Goldberg's a classic, and still going, making Archie books and covers. Blending him with John Buscema on the page, you have this wonderful dichotomy of art that doesn't look jarring of the characters next to eachother. Buscema softened up the hardness of The Punisher to match Goldberg's curvy and toony feel. This comic is what comics are made for.. to have fun, fun and fun! My number pick is dedicated to my dear friend Batton Lash, who we lost this year. A dear sweet gentleman and a true genius in comics.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 24, 2019 9:56:05 GMT -5
And on the final day I give you.... The Dark Knight Versus The Man of BronzeBatman/ Doc Savage Special DC, 2009 Making it in just under the bar with a November 2009 release is this one shot by Brian Azzarello and Phil Noto which gave us what is I believe the first meeting between Batman and Doc Savage. Although my love for Hellboy is well known, Batman has always been my favorite comic character and as I said in the Advance Warning Thread I could have easily made a list of all Batman team ups(and they all would have been amazing too!) but I decided instead to dig deeper and look for other favorites but it was inevitable that Batman would show up and although Batman Versus Predator appeared earlier in my list this was the first title I thought of.
While in my own personal head-canon Batman definitely eschews fire arms this pulp inspired story none the less is one of my favorite Batman books and one that I say really nails how I feel how a Batman story should feel with it's heavy dose of detective work, a feeling of truly operating above the law, the foppish playboy facade and the limitations of a mortal hero it is just an amazing cocktail of awesomeness. On top of that Doc Savage, like Superman(whom Savage influenced!), is a great foil for Bruce's outlook on crime fighting providing a lightness to his Darkness. Now, I know not everyone loved the First Wave take on the good Doctor but it's the version that first caught my interest so it's definitely how I view the character, and he's one I've come to love since.
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Post by brutalis on Dec 24, 2019 9:58:14 GMT -5
1. Nexus, Badger and Judah the Hammer Nexus 6, 7, 8. The Trialogue Trilogy (also known as Travels in the Bowl Shaped World) 1985
Hope and Crosby never had a Road Trip like these 3 stooges find in traversing the Bowl Shaped World. See the sights of a new world through these 3 traveling not so wise men. See Nexus de-powered and learning to coping as a normal human being.See Badger being Badger; as in silly/nutso/whacko/kung fu-ing as usual. See Judah trying not to strangle Badger.
What can I say? These stalwart companions make a splendid team in connecting these 2 comic book worlds from the mind and pen of Mike Baron. Nexus and Badger teaming should be an annual thing like the JSA/JLA meetings. Who wouldn't buy a min-series or a big double size story once a year with this 3 man tag team supreme? When you combine the wit, wisdom, insanity and fights galore when these 3 guys cross paths you are guaranteed an adventure filled with fun and games. They play so well off each other and Baron does know them so well and finds great ways for their interactions. This was a blast in every issue. Add in Steve Rude doing his wonderful art styling in delivering a wondrous new world full of the 3 Amigo's antics and you have a classic which stands the test of time!!!
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 24, 2019 10:03:51 GMT -5
!. Archie Meets the Punisher1994 With all of the inter-company crossovers happening in the 90s, the most ridiculous, no paper, had to be (by far) Archie Meets the Punisher. Some of these had already been a stretch....X-Men and Star Trek? But; nothing matched the idea of the wholesome world of Archie Andrews meeting the violent world of Frank Castle. This had trainwreck written all over it. I was prepared to skip it, until I saw that the writer was Batton Lash, of Wolf & Byrd, Counselors of the Macabre. That put an interesting wrinkle into things. So I bought it and damned if it didn't turn out to be the most fun crossover of the 90s, for my money. Joining Lash were Archie stalwart Stan Goldberg and Marvel's John Buscema and Tom Palmer. The Marvel guys handled Punisher and Goldberg handled the Archie gang. Punisher is hunting a killer, called Red Fever, who just happens to bear a resemblance to a certain red-headed, freckle-faced teenager. Castle traces him to Riverdale and promptly mistakes Archie for the killer. You can guess the rest, though the actual story will surprise you. This is pure fun and came about because Marvel; EIC Tom DeFalco cut his teeth at Archie and when the idea was pitched jumped on it. While crossovers between Daredevil and Batman or Batmanand Spawn were making bigger noises (and disappointing stories), Archie meeting the Punisher turned out to be a classic. It also set up the premise of Aerchie meeting other characters and celebrities and the next thing you know, Archie is running from Predators and jamming with KISS.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 24, 2019 10:06:32 GMT -5
And on the final day I give you.... The Dark Knight Versus The Man of Bronze Batman/ Doc Savage Special DC, 2009 Making it in just under the bar with a November 2009 release is this one shot by Brian Azzarello and Phil Noto which gave us what is I believe the first meeting between Batman and Doc Savage. Although my love for Hellboy is well known, Batman has always been my favorite comic character and as I said in the Advance Warning Thread I could have easily made a list of all Batman team ups(and they all would have been amazing too!) but I decided instead to dig deeper and look for other favorites but it was inevitable that Batman would show up and although Batman Versus Predator appeared earlier in my list this was the first title I thought of.
While in my own personal head-canon Batman definitely eschews fire arms this pulp inspired story none the less is one of my favorite Batman books and one that I say really nails how I feel how a Batman story should feel with it's heavy dose of detective work, a feeling of truly operating above the law, the foppish playboy facade and the limitations of a mortal hero it is just an amazing cocktail of awesomeness. On top of that Doc Savage, like Superman(whom Savage influenced!), is a great foil for Bruce's outlook on crime fighting providing a lightness to his Darkness. Now, I know not everyone loved the First Wave take on the good Doctor but it's the version that first caught my interest so it's definitely how I view the character, and he's one I've come to love since. I wrestled with this one, as this was the very last one to be dropped. One of Azzarello's better takes on Batman but he nailed Doc Savage. Also Noto's artwork is drop dead gorgeous.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 24, 2019 10:28:55 GMT -5
And on the final day I give you.... The Dark Knight Versus The Man of Bronze Batman/ Doc Savage Special DC, 2009 Making it in just under the bar with a November 2009 release is this one shot by Brian Azzarello and Phil Noto which gave us what is I believe the first meeting between Batman and Doc Savage. Although my love for Hellboy is well known, Batman has always been my favorite comic character and as I said in the Advance Warning Thread I could have easily made a list of all Batman team ups(and they all would have been amazing too!) but I decided instead to dig deeper and look for other favorites but it was inevitable that Batman would show up and although Batman Versus Predator appeared earlier in my list this was the first title I thought of.
While in my own personal head-canon Batman definitely eschews fire arms this pulp inspired story none the less is one of my favorite Batman books and one that I say really nails how I feel how a Batman story should feel with it's heavy dose of detective work, a feeling of truly operating above the law, the foppish playboy facade and the limitations of a mortal hero it is just an amazing cocktail of awesomeness. On top of that Doc Savage, like Superman(whom Savage influenced!), is a great foil for Bruce's outlook on crime fighting providing a lightness to his Darkness. Now, I know not everyone loved the First Wave take on the good Doctor but it's the version that first caught my interest so it's definitely how I view the character, and he's one I've come to love since. I wrestled with this one, as this was the very last one to be dropped. One of Azzarello's better takes on Batman but he nailed Doc Savage. Also Noto's artwork is drop dead gorgeous. Yeah, Noto's work here has a lot to do with my love for this book; it has a real sense of grit and you feel like when the characters hit each other that the punches not only have real weight behind them but they'll also have actual physical consequences .
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 24, 2019 10:35:41 GMT -5
1. Batman and Captain AmericaBatman & Captain America (DC/Marvel, 1996); by John Byrne For the longest time, if anyone asked me I would have said my very favorite Marvel/DC crossover was X-men & New Teen Titans – but then I got a hold of this one, and it became my hands-down all-time favorite crossover ever. It’s simply pitch perfect across the board: Byrne gets all of the “voices” right, and his art is a gorgeous celebration of these two characters in their Golden Age settings. One general problem with many of the Big Two cross-overs, even the ones I like (the aforementioned X-men & New Teen Titans, Batman vs. the Hulk and, esp. JLA vs the Avengers), the reasons for the main protagonists to meet at all seems a bit contrived – but there’s none of that here. Cap and Bats (and Steve Rogers and Bruce Wayne) coming together just seems to logically flow, and you never once get taken out of the story as a result. I simply love this one at every level: the overriding plot, every little detail thereof, the dialogue and – I can’t emphasize this enough – the wonderful art (to say nothing of the Easter eggs). In its 60+ pages, Batman & Captain America pretty much encapsulates everything I love about superhero comics.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 24, 2019 10:50:36 GMT -5
1. Batman and Captain America (DC and Marvel, 1996) “Batman and Captain America” John Byrne
As cynical, world-weary and dark as many of us (like me) become over the years, we’re still ready to get caught in a mug’s game, hoping against hope that the beauty, charm, and innocence of whatever or whoever it was we fell in love with as a kid still beats pure and warm at its heart. For me it was baseball, football, basketball (Hell, sports in general), American history, old movies, and of course, comics that lifted me, comforted me, reassured me, and sometimes inspired me. Maggie Thompson and who knows how many others have told us that the Golden Age of everything is 12, but they always forget to add that Golden Ages don’t last very long. Very quickly I realized that, like Santa Claus, much of what I knew about all the comforting pursuits and interests of my young life were elaborate hoaxes, the products of PR departments, mythologizers, and mercenary dispensers of prime-cut bushwa. As most of us do (Thank you, Eve), I swapped innocence for knowledge and was all the better for it. However, comics remained less corrupt than those other avatars of culture, perhaps because back in the late 60s when I was coming of a bit of age, comics were still on the fringe. High school kids didn’t boast about reading them or collecting them. Trying to impress a girl you liked by suddenly dropping in “By the all-seeing Eye of Agamotto” into the conversation wasn’t going to get you bupkis. It was more likely to get you a lipcurl, an eyeroll and a walk-away tout de suite. Now this is not to say that when the comics “grew up,” I ran a way under a pile of Timmy the Timid Ghost comics. I loved it. Loved that Green Lantern and Green Arrow were doing the Easy Rider Cultural Nightmare of the Month tour. Loved Batman’s return to the shadows. Loved the New Wave of artists: Adams, Steranko, Barry Smith. Later on loved Miller’s Daredevil and Dark Knight, Moore and Gibbons’ Watchmen. But somewhere along the line, comics seemed to lose that sense of unself-consciousness that had powered them for decades. Suddenly the world of comics was ashamed of its past, of the relentless enthusiastic goofiness that was its essence. The embarrassing past had to be retconned, retold, written out of existence with the ruthlessness of the dystopias I’d read about in 1984 and Brave New World. Already too long a story short, I saw mindless violence where others saw for adult entertainment; I saw poor writing and a lack of imagination where others saw cutting-edge post-modernism; and I saw a lack of remembering where you came from where others saw sophistication. Which brings me to Batman and Captain America, one of those bright spots in the darkness that is not only a superb example of a comic book story, but is also a celebration of all that is exciting, artistic, and most importantly, endearing about comics. You all know the premise and the story. John Byrne is at his admirable best in balancing a love for the innocence and enthusiasm that beat at the heart of comic books with the more polished techniques of writing and art of contemporary comics. It is the “Silverado,” the “Raiders of the Lost Ark” of comics, a loving appreciation of all that super-hero comics can be. You all know the premise. The score of tropes that Byrne weaves throughout the story? Of course you’ve read them before, probably hundreds of times. But in Byrne’s hands those tropes aren’t tired, they aren’t simply tossed in as ingredients in a recipe for the archetypical comic. Just like clichés, tropes are examples of truth true, and Byrne, like all the great artists, allows us to see that truth anew because of the drive, verve and skill he brings to his storytelling, yes, but mostly because Byrne loves the source material. If you were too young to have known much about the Golden Age of Comics, this story will give you a crash course in its high points. If you grew up reading Golden Age tales as reprints, you’ll love the way Byrne polishes their rough edges without mocking them. And if for whatever reasons you’ve lost faith in the art form, and specifically the genre of superhero comics, Batman and Captain America will renew your faith.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 10:55:22 GMT -5
Byrne the writer deserves the same respect as Byrne the artist if you ask me. I understand why folk like his art (I'm a fan), but I would like to see his writing being given praise too. I'm glad this has been included by many, and I am glad I put his Darkseid/Galactus tale at no. 2 on my list.
If DC/Marvel were to collaborate again, well it's a pipe dream but I'd like to see Byrne doing it. And how great that Batman/Cap went with the shared Earth approach!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 24, 2019 11:01:19 GMT -5
1. Conan and Elric
Conan le barbare #1 (Éditions Héritage, 1972, reprinting and translating Conan the barbarian #15-16, Marvel, 1972).Back in the day, in the late 70s, this comic was one of those unreachable treasures that we dream about with no real hope of ever holding them in our hands. The French version of Conan the barbarian published by Éditions Héritage in Quebec had a low print run, and nobody (really nobody) ran a business selling older issues. The best we latecomers could hope for was to land one of a series of collected books that were not reprints as such but rather a bunch of unsold issues (either four or nine) glued together under thin cardboard covers. What would appear very odd today is that such collections could share a cover but not have the same contents, and so when you found a pile of them at the local newsstand you had to leaf through all the copies to see what comics each of them contained! But I digress. For Conan #1, however, no such chance… The earliest Conan I found in such collections was issue #2. (Heck, issue number 1 was so old and rare that it even had the “PS” corner logo that predated the better-known “EH” one from Héritage. “PS” were the initials of the printer, Payette & Sims.) Still, I knew the book existed; we could see thumbprints of it in certain house ads. And this legendary comic seemed to feature Elric of Melniboné, a character whose adventures I knew about but could not read anywhere, since the few translated Elric stories available were out of print in those days. Such mystery, such wonder on that cover… I didn't even begrudge Elric his tall pointy hat that Dave Sim made fun of in the pages of Cerebus; it just gave the character a very distinct look from other S&S heroes. (The pointy hat actually comes from the covers that artist Jack Gaughan painted for Elric paperbacks). Luckily, very luckily, I became good friends with a fellow who shared my love of American comics (he’s the same one who introduced me to John Byrne, by the way!) and knew someone else who had that comic and was ready to sell it. God bless him! That was a good day indeed!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 11:27:06 GMT -5
Remember folks, for Kurt's sake, edit out the images when you are quoting folk's posts for this event.
-M
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Post by rberman on Dec 24, 2019 12:48:19 GMT -5
#1: Superman and Spider-Man (Marvel Treasury #28, 1981, Jim Shooter, John Buscema, and a host of other artists) Come on, what else could be #1? The two marquee characters teaming up in a rousing adventure against credible threats (Doctor Doom and Parasite) requiring their collaboration, with a side of Wonder Woman and Hulk to make it extra-awesome (and fill some pages). It seems to me that Spider-Man got more character work, but perhaps that’s just treating each character as he should be treated.
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