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Post by shaxper on Jul 11, 2020 10:19:40 GMT -5
You've probably addressed this before and I've forgotten it, but do you get the sense that Fox is frustrated by the mandated presence of Popp and the genre shift he brings? Maybe that explains these delightful horror elements springing up in a non-threatening manner?
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 11, 2020 22:30:50 GMT -5
I notice that Popp appears to be taking orders directly from the Police Chief now. Or Fox just thought that the cops let private detectives hang out and participate whenever they wanted. I guess having an invisible ghost partner gives Popp an advantage that the G.C.P.D. was willing to capitalize on, and didn't realize the Spectre was wanted by the Cliffland police... I still don't think its open knowledge - or even an open secret - that Popp is working with The Spectre hence all these endings with Popp being congratulated for something he didn't do and The Spectre ensuring that the pipsqueak super-cop doesn't get the reward money or doesn't get his picture in the paper. Popp certainly isn't be treated with the respect one might expect for someone aligned with The Spectre or at least looked at suspiciously in a "what The Spectre sees in you, I'll never know" sort of way. And it was weird seeing The Chief again, so much so, that I told myself "nah, that can't be the same guy". Is Commissioner the same thing as Chief? He barely had any connection to these stories when Corrigan was still around and now Corrigan disappears and they bring back this piece of random trivia? It would be like deciding to casually bring back Corrigan's old partner and roomie Wayne Grant for a panel. I wonder if every time a city puts out a warrant for his arrest, The Spectre simply recreates reality and 'Snap! Cliffland becomes Gotham! Whoever heard of Cliffland?'
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 11, 2020 22:57:27 GMT -5
You've probably addressed this before and I've forgotten it, but do you get the sense that Fox is frustrated by the mandated presence of Popp and the genre shift he brings? Maybe that explains these delightful horror elements springing up in a non-threatening manner? Cei-U! noted that it was Fox who introduced Popp but whether or not Fox did so under duress, I don't know. I've read the Dr. Fate tales Fox wrote concurrently with his Spectre yarns (and which also appeared in More Fun at the same time) and given the fact that Fate (a character Fox did create) underwent a similar neutering (he lost his aura of mystique, most of his powers, even half of his helmet and eventually his cape, while Kent Nelson became a rather bland doctor of medicine as opposed to archeologist/adventurer) I don't think Fox was attached enough to The Spectre (a character who he didn't create) to take affront at the same sort of changes he was simultaneously bringing to his own creation. If Fox were going to display some sort of rebellion on a feature he didn't want tinkered with, I have to imagine that rebellion would manifest itself on a character he created (Dr. Fate) and not on one he didn't (Jerry Siegel's Spectre). I think Fox knew he couldn't get away with the sort of stories The Spectre was designed for and understood that the readers had spoken (or their parents or school teachers anyway) and wanted fun, law abiding, wholesome heroes in their comics and not creepy stuff out of Lovecraft. I suspect that Fox was too much of a professional to be bothered by the idea of disrupting the purity of a character and in favour of going along with whatever the changing tastes of his audience wanted. I do wonder however if Fox hasn't spent most his time on The Spectre suspecting that each tale was to be his last. The Spectre's lost his cover status, he's even lost the little corner circle announcing his presence in More Fun, and when his name is mentioned on the cover, it comes after the rest of the features which is fitting considering the fact that his story is always the last in the book. I suspect that Fox doesn't see any point in building upon a character who's been teetering on the edge of cancellation for some time and, if anything, is offering Popp as a possible replacement feature. Though things won't work out that way, a comedy detective duo named Dover and Clover will soon be added to More Fun suggesting that Fox may have actually have been following the right trends by introducing Popp.
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 12, 2020 16:10:37 GMT -5
I notice that Popp appears to be taking orders directly from the Police Chief now. Or Fox just thought that the cops let private detectives hang out and participate whenever they wanted. I guess having an invisible ghost partner gives Popp an advantage that the G.C.P.D. was willing to capitalize on, and didn't realize the Spectre was wanted by the Cliffland police... I still don't think its open knowledge - or even an open secret - that Popp is working with The Spectre hence all these endings with Popp being congratulated for something he didn't do and The Spectre ensuring that the pipsqueak super-cop doesn't get the reward money or doesn't get his picture in the paper. Popp certainly isn't be treated with the respect one might expect for someone aligned with The Spectre or at least looked at suspiciously in a "what The Spectre sees in you, I'll never know" sort of way. I think that when it's convenient, the characters know about Popp's partnership with the Spectre, and when it's not, they don't. Which is what we would expect given Gardner Fox's casual approach to the strip. Having read ahead, I can tell you that there's at least one instance that implies the partnership has been publicized. But you're right, the stories we're being dealt at this point imply that maybe some crooks know about Popp and the Spectre, but not that the cops do. I'll assume that Spec (surreptitiously) helped him collar enough criminals to gain entry into the force at some officially-acknowledged level.
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 12, 2020 20:32:41 GMT -5
All-Star Comics # 17 (June-July 1943) Synopsis: A recap of the closing events of All-Star Comics #15 provides us with one additional detail omitted from the original entry - the villain Brainwave is still alive. Having the wherewithal to swing his smock over a beam jutting from his hideout as he apparently fell to his death following his previous encounter with The Justice Battalion, Brainwave survived that experience and has already planted the seeds for his vengeance upon the team. Having somehow stolen the minutes of all previous JSA meetings (how isn't explained) Brainwave has made a study of the society's past exploits and determined that the best way to conquer the group is by reducing their height to eight inches. This he achieves through his creation of a purple ray which he turns on the team after successfully breaking into their headquarters (How? Again, not explained). So the Justice Society has been shrunk to eight inches in height and placed in individual cages. Having invited his men to this little soiree, Brainwave details the crimes he wants them to carry out. Though we aren't let in on these details (that would spoil the upcoming chapters) The JSA overhears his instructions (since Brainwave wanted them to so as to torment them further). Eight inches though they may be, helpless they are not for Hawkman manages to tweet to his birds who succeed in carrying each cage to the scene of Brainwave's intended crime. Hawkman! Sandman! And then... The Spectre's time comes... "In a little frame house two men stare down at a queerly shaped gun..." The aptly named Spider demonstrates this strange weapon gifted to him by Brainwave to his partner by firing it at an open doorframe. Instantly, a giant web is projected across the opening and when Spider's cohort skeptically attempts to tear the feeble looking barricade down, succeeds only in getting entangled within its snare. With its potency clearly illustrated for Spider's partner in crime, the pair head off to an unnamed bank where The Spectre is freed from his cage by the talons of Hawkman's eagle. Finding a couple of webbed up guards on the scene, The Spectre investigates finding it easy to navigate through the barrier due to his shrunken size. Encountering the crooks as they attempt to rob the bank's vault, our pint sized hero uses whatever tool he can find to make his attack. He blinds one of the men with ink squirted from a pen and then stabs the crook with the instrument. Though the pair manage to fire a number of shots off in the general vicinity of the ghost, The Spectre's small size renders their efforts ineffectual. Hiding in their loot bag, The Spectre travels with the hoods back to their base where he discovers the vat which produces the substance from which their webgun is filled. Tricking the hoods into chasing him around their shack, The Spectre manages to trip one into the vat and the other to touch a live wire which paralyzes him on the spot. When the rest of the gang arrive, The Spectre flies off into space, locates a meteor which he directs towards another, and arranges for the plummeting fragments to rain down upon the villains shack. The Spectre pulls a call box alarm summoning the police just in time for Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt to arrive upon the scene and carry him off to Brainwave's base, but not before using his magical powers to restore his size along with that of the rest of team. What happens to Brainwave? Well, though he's planted a series of explosives along the trail leading up to his castle, what he doesn't know is that The Thunderbolt has rerouted them to inside his base. When Brainwave sets the explosives off (against Thunderbolt's advice) he succeeds only in blowing up his castle and himself (or does he) with it. Thoughts: I wonder if this is the first time The Atom gets shrunken in size. I know it isn't the Al Pratt version who had that power, but still, kind of momentous in a trivial sort of way if so. No idea why being shrunken in size should be anything more than a mild annoyance to The Spectre if that. He already has this power and no explanation is given as to why he can't simply enlarge himself right afterwards. I'm sure Fox could pull the old 'The Spectre could do this if he had been prepared for the attack but since he wasn't...' excuse, but having established that The Spectre still retains his abilities to fly into space and direct meteors, I'm not sure what sort of danger he's supposed to be in during the course of this tale. Why does he let Brainwave lock him in a cage if he still has his powers? Why doesn't he break out of it while en route to his destination rather than wait for Hawkman's bird to free him? For a series which is supposedly meant to introduce new readers to each character on this team, Fox sure is taking advantage of their presumed ignorance of the most basic of details to mold The Spectre into someone he's not (and I would guess Dr. Fate and Starman, too who should both be able to manage fine without their height if need be). The webgun is pretty cool though by 1943, the superhero The Tarantula already owned one as early as 1941. So nothing new, but still interesting to see, though of course, since it's rendered useless the moment The Spectre walks through its openings, it loses quite a bit of its shine. Not much else to say about this one other than The Spectre showering the crooks' hideout with meteors seems like a slight case of overkill. I mean, isn't alerting the police enough?
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 16, 2020 11:04:07 GMT -5
More Fun Comics #93 (Sept-Oct 1943) "Crime Cures a Complex!"
Synopsis: Wealthy comedian Price Kenlan is holding one of his fancy parties with a selection of comparably rich and renowned patrons scheduled to attend. Also receiving invitations is Kenlan's nephew - a young man with aspirations of becoming a state senator but with an inferiority complex holding him back. To ensure that his nephew loses his sense of worthlessness when comparing himself to others, Kenlan hopes that the pranks he intends to pull on his guests will enable the young man to view them as unspectacular everymen as opposed to the intimidating cream de la cream his "rose tinted glasses" have produced. Of course, where there's wealth, there's the opportunity for theft, and so when Kenlan requests the aid of a detective, headquarters of course, sends Percival Popp. Getting a taste first hand of Kenlan's penchant for subjecting seemingly all visitors to his home with various gadgets in keeping with his obnoxious sense of humour (a hidden panel which strikes Popp from behind when the detective bends over to pick up a dropped wallet; a rigged lighter which strikes the super-cop upon the nose when he accepts a cigarette from his host; and so forth) Popp should be a little better prepared than criminal Mack Carney who intends to crash the soiree for the various hi-jinks the evening holds. And since where Percival Popp does, The Spectre follows... When the get together gets started, Kenlan demonstrates his childish passion for pranks by rigging one of his guest's soup bowls so that it pours its contents all over the diner's leg. As Kenlan laughs uproariously at the jape, sinister going ons are transpiring just around the corner. Strong Arm Sam, identified by Popp as a member of Mack Carney's gang, attempts to blackjack the super-cop from behind but finds his attack stymied by one of Kenlan's trick walls which opens to reveal a device pouring hot water upon anyone unlucky enough to be in the general area. Thankfully, the pre-set prank scalds the crook and sends him running from the house. With Popp alerted to the presence of thieves roaming around the property, he accepts that it's time for The Spectre to make an appearance which he does... when Popp dons "an old costume" to impersonate the superhero. Where, then, is the genuine article? Nearby watching events unfold both within the house and outside as Carney and his men decide that whatever devices Kenlan has rigged up are worth dealing with for the fortune they feel awaits them within. As each hoodlum searches the house, they find themselves knocked flat by the invisible ghost as Popp admires his less than impressive physique in The Spectre's togs. Discovering Carney's men knocked out throughout the house, Popp ties them up and leaves them in one of Kenlan's bedrooms, but is stupid enough to comply with Carney's request that he give him back his gun laying upon the floor. Freeing himself and his men after Popp leaves, The Spectre intervenes when the wrongdoers attempt to rob Kenlan and his diners. Due to the sudden entrance of Popp still adorned in his green cloak, trunks, gloves, and boots, it is Popp disguised as The Spectre who gets the credit for the defeat of Carney and his crew when it is The Spectre himself who knocks them all for a loop. However, because Kenlan is unable to see through Popp's ridiculous disguise, he throws the super-cop out of his home when he finds him napping in the hall (actually, rendered unconscious due to another of Kenlan's automated tricks) remarking "He sleeps like a log in my front hall while The Spectre has to save me! A loafer!" The tale ends with Popp bittering expressing his regret a ever having adopted The Spectre's disguise. Thoughts: Once again another instance of Fox not knowing what he wants from his story. Is this supposed to be a lesson about self-esteem designed for Kenlan's nephew as is suggested at the start of the tale and by its title? A 'Home Alone' sort of piece in which a gang of criminals are supposed to run through a gauntlet of rigged rooms and trick devices in order to reach their goal? A comedy bit about Percival Popp impersonating The Spectre and attempting to replicate his crime fighting prowess? Whatever the case, it fails on all counts. Kenlan's nephew (a character so superfluous to the story that he isn't even provided a name) is mentioned only once more after his introduction and it seems due only to a last moment realisation part on Fox's part that he needs to address the set-up he established early on in an "oh by the way, that kid I mentioned earlier did get his self-esteem back just so you know" way. The thugs here don't, for the most part, contend with Kenlan's house of tricks (which is pretty nasty actually, with its mallets and scalding water popping out of walls) but with the invisible Spectre (pinch hitting for Popp). And Popp isn't playing the role of 'Supernatural force of nature Spectre', but 'Two fisted gumshoe Spectre' and so no imagination is employed when the super-cop dolls himself up as the ghost - he just swings his fists and The Spectre connects. All in all, a bland tale which might have been better served had Fox simply stuck to one idea and ran with it rather than establish an idea only to drop it in favour of another idea he can also forget. On another note, Popp's Spectre disguise is a cloak, pair of gloves and boots, and trunks - no white top or leggings suggesting that, yes, The Spectre has just been running around bare-chested and legged all these years. Of course, you can't really expect Popp to do anything right...
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 16, 2020 16:28:25 GMT -5
I think the F. in 'Gardner F. Fox' must have stood for "First Draft". But once again, as deficient as the story itself turned out, we get something that one could easily imagine as a 1940's Poverty Row B-film. I can't think of many other Golden Age back-up strips that captured that feel as successfully. Maybe Fox was receiving mental transmissions from a parallel Earth that had produced a series of Percival Popp movies...Earth-P?
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 17, 2020 11:05:22 GMT -5
There is a real Poverty Row feel to these stories now that you mention it and while such films can be fun when they elevate themselves beyond their source material, Fox seems firmly entrenched in his refusal to offer anything more than the bare minimum to his efforts. Things rarely deviate from how they're established in the first panel - because Kenlan's introduction shows us that he likes to swat people from behind, that's all you're going to see him do in this yarn; because The Spectre knocks out the first thug with a sock to the jaw, that's how he's going to take down every crook in this story; since Popp's appearance as The Spectre is supposed to be goofy looking, that's the only attempt of humour you'll see us going for throughout this piece. There are no twists and turns to the majority of these tales - it's just a straight drift from Point A to Point B with things never going any faster or slower than 10 mph. And yet, on one or two occasions, Fox does remind me of why I once held him in higher regard - just not on this outing.
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 21, 2020 1:12:21 GMT -5
More Fun Comics #94 (Nov-Dec 1943) "The Man Who Hated Puppets!"Synopsis: While still a child, Martin Warren stopped to take in a Punch and Judy show while on his way home with his father's needed medication. The delay costs his father his life and to add insult to injury, a pickpocket helps himself to Warren's money during the show. Developing a psychological complex from the incident which manifests itself in a disdain for puppet shows, Warren, now a middle-aged, wealthy man, makes an except to his rule to abstain from such entertainment when his daughter requests that he attend a performance with her. Having the misfortune to be held up after the show, Warren vows to purchase the very theatre in which the performance was held and loudly proclaims his intentions within earshot of the detective who attempted to prevent the robbery - Percival Popp. So while Popp is making Warren's business his business, Slick Greets (the head of the gang who waylaid Warren) decides that they're not finished with their victim from that evening. "See those pearls! There's a lot more where they came from - at Martin Warren's place!" And with that, Popp is commiserating with Pete, the owner of the venue Warren has targeted, as The Spectre listens in and decides to get involved. To save the theatre, The Spectre decides to animate some of Pete's puppets as Warren sleeps (well, when he awakens actually, since it would be pretty silly for him to do all this while he's sleeping) and takes turns mocking, guilting, and threatening the puppet-hater just as the janitor who has been bribed to turn off all power (thus, deactivating his employer's security system) makes his move. Though Warren didn't seem too bothered by The Spectre's puppet show chalking it up as he does to a dream, when The Spectre learns of Greets intentions for that evening, he sees an opportunity for Warren to turn to his puppets for help and lets things transpire of their own accord. Finding Warren talking to imaginary puppets when they break into his room (great job, Spectre) Greets and his men figure that things couldn't go smoother for them as they plunder his home. When Warren expresses his concern over the loss of his valuables, the puppets offer a truce on the condition that should they save his fortune, Warren must accept that puppets aren't his enemy. "After all, if we saved your money we'd be bringing good luck, wouldn't we?" So BAM! Truce it is. Popp shows up, is informed by the puppets that "this is our show, Perc, so stay out of it", and has a ring side to seat to these marionettes (actually, Spec) beating up Greets and his men. With the ne'er do wells defeated, Warren hands one of the puppets the money with which he was to buy the theatre and is last seen enjoying one of their actual performances as The Spectre remarks "Imagine anyone hating those little fellows!" Thoughts: Once again, after initiating an idea, Fox decides to reuse the same idea soon afterwards. More Fun Comics #92 featured The Spectre bringing a ventriloquist's dummy to life to pester Percival Popp and catch some crooks as a bonus. Here, he animates a group of puppets to harass Martin Warren and steal Popp's thunder by snaring the criminals the super-cop would have certainly blundered to freedom. Unlike dummy Cholly McCasey who was imbued with a sprite-like mischievous personality in the hands of The Spectre, this time around, The Grim Ghost is really just playing with dolls, so much so, that when he first awakens Warren, it's clear that he isn't bringing the puppets to life with supernatural powers, but simply pulling their strings while rendering the strings invisible. As Lon Chaney once said "A ventriloquist's dummy at midnight can be frightening, but there's nothing frightening about using puppets as an excuse to sing to a grown man in his pajamas". Nevertheless, there is something nasty about The Spectre's treatment of Martin Warren (a name which, incidentally, is also the name of Linda Page's Uncle in the first Batman serial which would have been released around this time). I can understand The Spectre spending all this time and energy on saving a puppet theatre (actually, I can't, but go with me on this) but how the hell does he justify accepting the money Warren was going to use to buy the venue when Warren thinks he's giving it to a magical puppet? Warren doesn't know he's actually giving it to The Spectre who, though he has saved him, isn't even someone he's actually met. Sure, Warren's giving it to him voluntarily and arguably even without being prompted, but after being subjected to The Spectre's antics, I'm not certain you can say he's of sound mind at the moment the handover is made - I mean, he's giving money to a puppet for Pete's Sake! I guess you could say I'm not supposed to think deeply about such matters, but Fox's set-up is actually pretty interesting and original. Sort of, what if Bruce Wayne grew up hating films because of what happened when he went to see one that time with his parents? A kid who let his guard down to enjoy being a child for an hour gets his father killed here and should be suffering from all sorts of psychological aliments as a result - a unique idea, but Fox resolves it all too easily and rather grotesquely by having The Spectre add to his damaged psyche with his reckless actions. Another instance of Fox coming up with a cool idea and then looking for the easiest and blandest way to utilize it. Warren is an intriguing character reduced to the single dimensions you'd give to a background character all so that we can see The Spectre punch around a bunch of hoods. Interestingly, for once, Percival Popp is shoved into the shadows here and The Spectre is given the spotlight. "This is our show, Perc, so stay out of it!" sounds like words The Spectre has been longing to say for a long time now. MW Gallaher noted not too long ago that with the change in The Spectre's depiction now that he's invisible comes an interesting look for the character and I kind of agree with this outing. He doesn't come across so much as invisible at times in this story, but as someone with vaguely defined features - sort of like a negative of a photo in some respects with certain characteristics sharply outlined, but no real definition anywhere. So The Spectre gets the spotlight for a change but in rather an unimpressive entry. Seven more issues to go and we'll see if he'll be asserting his right to star in these D level tales or letting Perc once again take over.
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 21, 2020 5:46:37 GMT -5
If you weren't reading carefully, you'd think that The Spectre was entirely visible at points in this story, such as when the puppet-maker seems to be looking at him while agreeing to make the "special puppets". A more thoughtful artist might have communicated that better by having the human characters speaking upward and outward to the room, while Spec' floats transparent somewhere else in the panel. Actually, just keeping The Spectre walking and standing on the floor works against selling the "invisible spirit" angle, rather like how the Silver Age Aquaman walking around on the ocean floor in an Atlantis filled with pedestrians undermined the illusion of an undersea civilization. I suppose that would work against the artist's habits and instincts from drawing more conventional characters interacting, and we can't expect Golden Age artists to beat guys like Neal Adams (who mastered this in Deadman) to the approach. Reading stories like this today really reminds one of how certain entertainment forms have fallen way out of fashion. I had a marionette or two as a kid in the 60's, but I can't remember the last time I saw one in person (or on tv, even). But even when marionette shows were popular, were there really theaters (of the size depicted here) devoted to the art? Isn't that something that only works in a close-up venue?
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 21, 2020 23:18:35 GMT -5
I had to double check to story to make sure that The Spectre couldn't be seen since he seems to appear and vanish at will throughout. You're right about Peter the puppet maker seeming to look at him directly as opposed to looking towards the general vicinity of his whereabouts (though he could just be looking in the direction from which Spec's voice is emanating) and Baily did make The Spectre look more transparent when slugging a thug towards tale's end than at all other points, suggesting that some sort of change is going on. I did notice too, that when The Spectre is performing his little puppet show for Warren's benefit, some panels reveal his hands manipulating the puppets while some seem to have them moving of their own accord. It's almost as if Baily were alternating between showing us these events from the perspective of a reader who knows that The Spectre is around and from the perspective of Warren who doesn't.
I suppose a puppet show almost demands a smaller venue, but since the previous Cholly McCasey dummy yarn was predicated upon us accepting that a ventriloquist act could succeed on radio (which, based upon the success of such acts in real life, isn't actually an unusual requirement) I'm willing to go along with the notion.
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Post by sabongero on Jul 22, 2020 16:23:12 GMT -5
Hi chadwilliam it's always cool to drop by your Golden Age Spectre thread and read your posts regarding his Golden Age comic books appearances. Perhaps you would be the best to ask this question instead of asking in the CCF Question thread. Since the Spectre's powers are considered limitless, could he in your opinion have defeated the Anti-Monitor during the Crisis on Infinite Earths big even of the mid 1980's? I know he couldn't at the maxi-series, but that was because of the DC Editorial decree and changing of direction of the then DC Multiverse collapsing into one Earth to streamline their direction at the time.
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 22, 2020 22:30:46 GMT -5
Hi chadwilliam it's always cool to drop by your Golden Age Spectre thread and read your posts regarding his Golden Age comic books appearances. Perhaps you would be the best to ask this question instead of asking in the CCF Question thread. Since the Spectre's powers are considered limitless, could he in your opinion have defeated the Anti-Monitor during the Crisis on Infinite Earths big even of the mid 19810's? I know he couldn't at the maxi-series, but that was because of the DC Editorial decree and changing of direction of the then DC Multiverse collapsing into one Earth to streamline their direction at the time. Thanks for the compliment! I'm not so sure that you could consider the Spectre's abilities to be "limitless". I don't really know where he stood in 1985/86 but based upon what I've read thus far (and keep in mind that despite the number of issues I've reviewed, I've only covered a three and a half year period so far) The Spectre is powerful enough to turn criminals into gibbering wrecks or skeletons simply with a glance but weak enough that he can be overcome by removing all oxygen from a room so long as he hasn't had time to prepare his lungs. He can overcome evil versions of himself (such as Zor) despite their supernatural abilities far out stripping his at least in terms of experience, and yet he can be felled by technology such as a paralysis ray or color wheel in spite of the fact that you wouldn't expect a ghost to be susceptible to such science based equipment. He can read minds, summon images from the past, and possesses a supernatural sixth sense informing him of where he needs to be, but he's also been flummoxed at least momentarily by run of the mill thieves. The Tick has been described as possessing "drama power" which in essence means that the more dramatic the situation becomes, the stronger he gets. The story requires him to be hampered by a cloud of smoke? Then he's hampered. The story requires him to fall thousands of feet and get by a train without problem? No problem. I think The Spectre is one of the better examples of a superhero exemplifying "drama power" given how all over the place his abilities are. BUT... As far as I know, the Anti-Monitor's abilities are limited to whatever can be explained away by comic book science - greater than real science of course, but it still has its limitations. The Spectre, on the other hand, has access to The Voice who we are expected to believe either has a direct line to God or is God Herself. I'd expect a Spectre vs. Anti-Monitor story circa 1941 to start with The Spectre realizing that he's been either outmatched at the end of their first encounter (or simply has no means by which to contain the Anti-Monitor), go up against him a second time, find himself struggling to undo the damage his opponent has done and continues to do, make a plea to The Voice for assistance, be granted The Ring of Life, and then blast The Anti-Monitor into nothingness. Didn't the Earth-2 Superman deal the Anti-Monitor his killing blow in Crisis #12? I figure if a guy who can summon the strength of a million suns can beat him, then a guy who can negate the strength of a million suns with the proper jewelry shouldn't have a problem. Of course, the real reason The Spectre will win will because he's the good guy. A flip answer perhaps, but the truth is it's the good guy with access to those deux ex machinas which usually determine epic battles such as these and not the villain.
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Post by zaku on Jul 23, 2020 11:00:42 GMT -5
Well, in COIE he was aided by a lot of people...
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 27, 2020 17:14:18 GMT -5
All-Star Comics #18 (Fall 1943) Synopsis: "Men with the relative strength of ants are committing crimes! They are so strong they can lift entire locomotives and walk off with them!" So declares Hawkman at this meeting of The Justice Society as he clarifies that these are men duplicating not simply the power levels of ants, but appropriating the characteristics of spiders, grasshoppers, and, in the case of Johnny Thunder, who enters the meeting by walking on the ceiling, flies too. Not knowing how he was transformed, Thunder is able to offer any clues to the team regarding their common enemy, but that doesn't mean the group is entirely in the dark. Handing out envelopes containing all the information Hawkman has compiled, each member finds themselves tackling this problem from a different angle and against a differently afflicted group of foes. Hawkman squares off against spider-people, Sandman against slug-men (I think they're slugs - maybe snails, I'm not sure), and The Spectre's assignment brings him up against The Water Bug... Discovering his quarry as they attempt to pillage the contents of a large ocean liner, The Spectre makes short work of these winged humans as he literally shakes them from the vessel. A curious development arises when The Spectre recognizes one of these beings as Chick Dempsey, former "swimming marvel of the ages". Recounting his brief brush with fame during his college years, Dempsey reveals that despite his success as a swimmer, he couldn't find a way to transition his talent to any meaningful employment after graduation. So when Dempsey is approached by a man offering him illegal work whereby he would be injected with insect hormones and lead similarly altered individuals to commit aquatic crimes, he, in his desperation for work, accepts. Now, with his fate in the hands of The Spectre, the grim ghost decides to give the criminal an opportunity to redeem himself. Take him to his co-horts and The Spectre will see to it that all of Dempsey's "water babies" as his employer terms them, will be restored. Dempsey accepts the offer, takes The Spectre to an under-lair cave, and our hero knocks these "bugs" around until he learns the location of their leader - The King Bee. The story shifts to Doctor Fate's portion of the comic before we learn The Justice Society's common enemy - a gangly, unkempt fellow named Elmer Pane. Tired of being mocked for his work as an exterminator, Pane devised a way to inject insect hormones into people thus replicating the selected creature's abilities. However, the experiment isn't entirely successful for it results in a diminution of the intelligence of whoever is injected with these hormones. As a result, Pane offers his services to the underworld, the underworld accepts, and it is a group of stooges selected for these transformations rather than The King Bee, Pane himself. Since the rest of the team have discovered Pane's hideout using their own resources during this adventure, they all get to take a swing at their enemy when they converge on his secret lair at issue's close. Though siccing a pair of dogs on the team, Pane isn't able to offer much in the way of resistance to the team's combined might and it is The Spectre himself who grabs the gun with which he attempts to use against the group as The Sandman punches him. The tale ends with Pane bound and ready for the police ("or the bughouse" as Johnny Thunder opines). Thoughts: A straightforward yarn, but an enjoyable one. The Spectre hasn't gone up against too many weirdly garbed foes and it's a nice change seeing him sqaure off against foes not adorned in the seemingly requisite suit and tie. Of course, these Water Bugs pose no threat to our champion and that's OK since an all-powerful Spectre is a creative one. Much like writers once got around Superman's tremendous abilities by letting him come up with inventive ways to stop foes he was from the start too much for, here The Spectre is allowed to have some fun. Growing to awesome size, seizing a yacht, and blowing these sea pirates into the water reminds us why a Spectre is needed in a title which also boasts of The Flash, Green Lantern, Dr. Fate, etc. in the way that the two-fisted quiper we've seen all too often in these pages is obviously redundant. Holding a relatively flea sized Chick Dempsey at eye level as he stands in the palm of The Spectre's hand as the ghost gives him a chance to make his case calls back to earlier adventures where a macabre fate being doled out to some perverter of justice was the moment the reader knew to watch out for. That The Spectre grants mercy to Dempsey and his men doesn't undermine the scene since we know he's seeking greater prey in the form of The King Bee. Besides, these insect people serve the story well enough through their creepy, drone like, hive mentality ("We save you, Master!" "Man kill us all!" "Run away - maybe - can't catch us!") that a big battle isn't really required. Speaking of The King Bee... While there's no great showdown between Elmer Pane and the JSA, enough thought has been put into this issue's criminal mastermind that I can't really accuse Fox of not doing his homework here. Pane is an appropriately sickly, unkempt, insect-like figure whose motivation and appearance brings to mind that of The Scarecrow, Jonathan Crane. Aside from Crane looking slightly neater and cleaner in appearance, the two could be brothers or at least kindred souls with their parallel histories of being ridiculed and shunned by those around them due to their areas of interest. I can see why Fox didn't bother granting him insect like powers since Pane was memorable enough already that such a step would have been unnecessary. So, while this entry isn't as dark as those earlier Spectre classics I've reviewed here before (he still jokes around in ways that he shouldn't - "Here's where I rock you to sleep in the deep!") it does utilize The Spectre's strengths in a rather weird tale and should be lauded for that. At five pages, it's too brief to really sink your teeth into but what's there works.
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