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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 14:29:58 GMT -5
In On Her Majesty's Secret Service, James Bond and Blofeld didn't recognise each other even though they'd met in the previous film, You Only Live Twice. Sean Connery played 007 in YOLT while Lazenby played 007 in OHMSS; in YOLT, Donald Pleasance played Blofeld in while Telly Savalas played Blofeld in OHMSS. But actor changes are irrelevant. They were meant to be the same person. So why on Earth didn't 007 and Blofeld recognise each other?  I just realised the same thing happened in the live-action 60s Batman franchise! Julie Newmar played Catwoman in the TV series. Adam West and Burt Ward played Batman and Robin. Then they got a movie. Newmar didn't play Catwoman in the movie, Lee Meriwether did. But it was supposed to be the same character. Despite that, Meriwether's Catwoman, walking around maskless and pretending to be a Russian journalist, interacts with Batman. At no point does he recognise her. It makes no sense. There is nothing explicit in that universe which states there are three versions of Catwoman (Eartha Kitt played the villainess in the third season). John Astin played the Riddler in the third season (Frank Gorshin played the Riddler the other times). Not two different Riddlers. One Riddler, two actors. It was the same for Catwoman. Meriwether played Catwoman because Newmar was unavailable and had other commitments. Again, though, it's the same character. When Batman, in the guise of Bruce Wayne, met a maskless Catwoman in the theatrical movie, he should have said, "I know who you are." So, I have a theory: those whose names begin with B have poor eyesight. Bond didn't recognise Blofeld. Blofeld didn't recognise Bond. Bruce/Batman didn't recognise Catwoman. Perhaps those whose names begin with B need to visit an optician! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 14:49:15 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, because they adapted the Bond books out of order, the screenwriter of OHMSS made a conscious decision to have them meet for the first time because that was how it was in the book.
And apologies that it ruins your B riff. 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 15:02:05 GMT -5
I would like to help out, but this is something that I just can't answer your questions and thoughts. It is problem dealing with different actors and actresses playing the part of the character itself. My biggest complaint about the Batman TV Series that there are 3 Catwomans, 3 Mr. Freezes, 2 Riddlers and yet a Puzzler that the Producers in the last minute turn a Riddler story to Puzzler Story in the last minute.
I just don't like this one bit at all and frankly it's made me somewhat confused, a bit angry that they just can't stick to the right actor for the part and William Dozier the Producer had so many actors/actresses wanting to be on the show and he was having a difficult time accommodating all of them and that's led to confused viewers that have no choice to accept it as it is.
This is pretty much sums up the problems of movies and television working things out and the availability of actress not playing a certain role. Julie Newmar did not want to be in that Batman Movie because she was under contract to play in MacKenna's Gold and she was offered more (undisclosed) monies than the part of Catwoman. She took the part Hesh-Ke in that movie and she had other commitments and unable to do the Batman Movie at all.
It is so frustrating for all of us.
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 17, 2020 16:41:22 GMT -5
It's all Hypertime's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 12:13:08 GMT -5
"bEndora" didn't recognize the two Darren's My Gawd! you're right  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 13:49:07 GMT -5
It might be important for producers to remember that a change of actor doesn't mean a change of character. Julie Newmar or Lee Meriwether, it's still Catwoman. Adam West's Batman had taken on Catwoman at least two times prior to the movie (maybe more) so even with her fake Russian accent, "Miss Kitka" should have been immediately recognised by the world's greatest detective.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 19, 2020 9:33:28 GMT -5
Did Batman ever see Catwoman without her mask? Yeah, I know it's a weak question. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 9:47:29 GMT -5
Did Batman ever see Catwoman without her mask? Yeah, I know it's a weak question. I don't have my Blu-ray to hand right now, but I'd bet money he did in the first season. But I could be wrong. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 19, 2020 11:12:45 GMT -5
You can believe that Lois Lane and friends can’t see through Clark Kent’s glasses “disguise, but this is a bridge to far?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 11:31:43 GMT -5
You can believe that Lois Lane and friends can’t see through Clark Kent’s glasses “disguise, but this is a bridge to far? From a detective like Batman, yes. |
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 20, 2020 1:17:48 GMT -5
You can believe that Lois Lane and friends can’t see through Clark Kent’s glasses “disguise, but this is a bridge to far? From a detective like Batman, yes. One would think investigative journalists like Lois, Perry, etc. would be fair detectives in their own right. |
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 1, 2020 10:11:31 GMT -5
It might be important for producers to remember that a change of actor doesn't mean a change of character. Julie Newmar or Lee Meriwether, it's still Catwoman. Adam West's Batman had taken on Catwoman at least two times prior to the movieActually, Catwoman made her one and only season 1 appearance before the movie was produced. In that two parter, "The Purr-fect Crime" / "Better Luck Next Time", Catwoman had two scenes with Batman: one in a museum (part one), and the other in the finale of part two (chase through the cave), but both times, she was wearing her mask. For all we know, Batman never knew what she really looked like up to that time. That--at--least explains why he did not recognize her as Miss Kitka in the film. |
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 22, 2021 22:14:18 GMT -5
Sadly, continuity wasn't too much of a priority on the Adam West show. But some people cared.
Julie Newmar was in ONE story in season 1, before the movie, and at the end, she fell down a bottomless pit and was thought to possibly be dead.
There was NO mention of this in the movie. At the end, Lee Meriweather's character was hauled off to prison.
A few weeks later, Julie Newmar turned up for her 2nd appearance on the show, early in season 2. And there's something very interestng about this. Commissioner Gordon calls up Batman and tells him... "I have ever reason to believe that Catwoman IS ALIVE AND WELL and living in Gotham City!" Now, on the one hand, I think writer Stanley Ralph Ross was riffing on "The Music Man". He loved to do stuff like that. But on the other hand... I tend to think this was his sneaky way of pointing out that the last time we saw Julie Newmar, we thought she'd DIED.
There's a simple way to explain this. Lee Meriweather was SOMEONE ELSE. In the movie, it's not that Catwoman was pretending to be a Russian woman. It's that a RUSSIAN CRIMINAL was pretending to be Catwoman! After all, she was thought to be dead... and her 3 partners-in-crime, Penguin, Riddler & Joker, had never met her before.
Later in the season, there's some very definite continuity between Newmar's last 3 Catwoman stories.
1 - in the "Sandman" story, Batman says he'll put in a good word for her-- just before O'Hara nabs her.
2 - in the "College" story, CW is let out on parole, because Batman put in a good word for her. but at the end, after Batman turns down a marriage proposal, she regretfully goes back to jail.
3 - in the "Pussycat" story, CW has a protoge who drugs Robin, dragging him into a life of crime, and to prevent Robin becoming a murderer, Batman agrees to be drugged... but takes an antidote pill to prevent it working. Batman slips info to the cops about the location of her hideout, the cops pick up both Robin and Pussycat, Batman & CW hide out in the Batcave, Alfred delivers the antidote to Robin, and then, in the middle of her big caper, Batman reveals he was never drugged, a long chase ensues, ending with CW appearing to FALL TO HER DEATH, leaving Batman in tears.
Someone at the FB group for this show said the "Pussycat" story should have been the SEASON FINALE. I agreed. There was only one problem. ABC swapped the running order of the "College" and "Pussycat" stories, DESTROYING the continuity (unless you swap them back and watch them in the order that MAKES SENSE..like I've been doing for the last 25+ years.)
Even further... the 1st episode of season 3 begins with Batman and Robin saying... "I guess that's the last we'll see of Catwoman for awhile". The next time "Catwoman" turns up, she's Eartha Kitt. Yep. I figure CW faked her own death and went off to Monte Carlo... so while she was gone, someone else decided to fill the void.
I recently watched the episodes again, and for the first time, noticed that swapping those 2 CW stories ALSO screwed up the continuity of 2 ADDITIONAL stories (the Penguin-Marsha team-up, and The Riddler's brother). WAY TO GO, ABC.
Sometimes I think in seasons 2 & 3, Stanley Ralph Ross was the only writer who knew what the hell he was doing.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 23, 2021 19:17:02 GMT -5
Ross was one of the reasons the series sank so fast. His hard push for self-effacing satire was the polar opposite of the framework / approach created by Lorenzo Semple Jr. (and made the show a breakout hit). Once Semple was completely separated from the production, the series rapidly descended into a repetitive mess that disrespected the main characters and introduced many of the worst made-for-TV villains, while rendering the comic-based villains as shells of who they were in season one.
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