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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 11, 2020 19:04:43 GMT -5
Thor is one of those characters I've always felt I should love but aside from a few stories here and there just never really seemed to connect with me. What issues should I pick up that are the best? I've seen some mentions of loosely adapting Wagner, what issues are those?
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Post by berkley on Feb 11, 2020 19:32:38 GMT -5
The Wagner stuff starts with Roy Thomas's return to the series in Thor #272. It leads into and is intertwined with the Celestials epic that begins with #283. The whole thing is definitely one of the highlights of the series as a whole. I stopped reading shortly after that so I can't say anything about what came later, but based on my sporadic knowledge my highlights would be: 1. Kirby/Lee: (approx. #115-177) 2. Ragnorak/Celestials (Roy Thomas with J. Buscema, then Keith Pollard, #172-300) 3. immediate post-Kirby run (Stan lee with mostly J. Buscema, but a few memorable Neal Adams issues, #178-192) 4. beginning of Gerry Conway era (#195-203) The cut-off for this last is a bit arbitrary on my part, as it's just when I happened to stop reading. I haven't seen much of the #204-238 era, but my impression is not great. From #239 -271, when I started reading again, the series was kind of ho-hum with the odd above-average issue but by and large not very memorable.
You could break up the Lee/Kirby run too - for example the last year or so are a bit of a come-down from its peak, though still very good. And the earliest issues take a while to get going before it becomes the classic Kirby/Lee Thor and I can't recall exactly which issues I think that happened.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 11, 2020 20:16:07 GMT -5
I recommend four Thor runs: Journey into Mystery/Thor #97-181 (Lee & Kirby, plus one by John Buscema and two by Adams), Thor #272-301 (Ragnarok and The Celestials), Thor #337-366 (Simonson), and the mini-series Thor: Godstorm by Busiek and Rude. The Conway and Wein runs have some good art but the stories are either Lee/Kirby rehashes or endless quest stories. shaxper disagrees with me but I suggest avoiding #302-336 (mostly Moench) like the plague. Can't speak to anything published after 1986 so I've probably missed some good stuff.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 11, 2020 20:57:59 GMT -5
shaxper disagrees with me but I suggest avoiding #302-336 (mostly Moench) like the plague. I won't claim it's going to meet anyone's expectations for what a Thor run should be, but it is very strong in its own unique way. It's got nothing on the Kirby era, but (then again) what does?
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Post by badwolf on Feb 11, 2020 21:09:15 GMT -5
The only run I've read a great deal of is Simonson's, but I'm sure you've heard of that one. I re-read it recently in omnibus and it's still great.
I liked Straczynksi's run but it was aborted before he was done so I don't think it reached its full potential.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 11, 2020 21:21:29 GMT -5
Thor 131-135 Stan and Jack create the Rigellians, Ego and the High Evolutionary in a matter of months.
This was right after creating the Inhumans, Galactus & the Silver Surfer and the Black Panther in FF.
An amazing burst creative energy.
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Post by berkley on Feb 11, 2020 22:11:06 GMT -5
Another downside to the Conway run is that Vince Colletta was entering the sketchier era of his work IMO. In his earlier work with Kirby on Thor, though he might have been erasing some background elements what he did ink was often done with a lot of detail and texture. That wasn't the case when he was inking John Buscema during Conway's Thor run, from the samples I've seen.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 11, 2020 22:31:04 GMT -5
Another downside to the Conway run is that Vince Colletta was entering the sketchier era of his work IMO. In his earlier work with Kirby on Thor, though he might have been erasing some background elements what he did ink was often done with a lot of detail and texture. That wasn't the case when he was inking John Buscema during Conway's Thor run, from the samples I've seen. For a while during Conway's run, Buscema was only doing breakdowns, with Don Perlin providing the actual pencils and Colletta inking. Later in that run, Joe Sinnott took over doing the finished art, which naturally looked great.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 11, 2020 23:33:35 GMT -5
Also there is a reason nobody suggests starting the Lee/Kirby run from the beginning.
(This reason is that the first couple years are really, really, really bad. The series only took off when it had both Lee and Kirby working on it full time.)
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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 11, 2020 23:34:47 GMT -5
I liked Simonson's Thor #337-on best I think. He drew a great goat-drawn chariot! Obviously there's got to be a Lee & Kirby run that's probably thee ground zero for the character but I only had sporadic single issues here and there... anything with Hercules in tends to be pretty good (I had Annual #1 and also #127), and the first Ego The Living Planet 'saga' (circa #133).
I think #221-234 is a decent early '70s run, some Herc some Firelord some Ego, and then the Len Wein space quest that starts in #255 and runs to #267 was pretty good and has the Warriors Three, Sif and the/a Recorder along for the ride (even has Simonson art at the end)! Much later in 2000 there's a pretty nice story from #21-25 with Thanos and Mangog, and the Recorder again, plus Firelord.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 0:30:56 GMT -5
I enjoyed the Blood Oath mini by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 12, 2020 7:55:07 GMT -5
I really like the DeFalco/Frenz run from #383 through 459 with it's retro 70's style for feel and tone. You get The once and Future Thor, more celestial's fun, interesting Black Knight teaming, more Egyptian god's, Thor vs Juggernaut, the Black Galaxy Saga, Eric Masterson stepping into the role, the Thor Corps and new villain Blood Axe created.
Also it doesn't get much better than the relaunched '98 Thor from Jurgens and Romita Jr. Those issues 1-25 with some fill-ins makes for one spectacular run. Incredible art making the Thor and the Asgardian's look truly powerful! And Dan Jurgen's providing some really creative storylines.
And as one who was reading Thor off the stands at the time, The Gerry Conway run hold's a special spot for taking Thor into Space and away from Earth. Those Galactic stories felt more interesting for me than seeing Thor's umpteenth beat down on some lame Earth villain.
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Post by rberman on Feb 12, 2020 9:36:05 GMT -5
I knew Thor from The Avengers as a dull Shakespearean Superman. I was pleasantly surprised reading Simonson's omnibus. Sure, there's mythic grandeur. But to my surprise, it was really an ensemble book, "The Adventures of Asgard." Lots of material about not only Thor but also Baldur, Sif, the Warriors Three and their families. Plus Simonson tended to run his villains in long parallel stories, and show them tripping over each other trying to mess with Asgard simultaneously. Loke, Karnilla, Enchantress, Lorelei, Frost Giants, etc. Did I mention Beta Ray Bill, the best legacy hero ever? Very enjoyable.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 12, 2020 9:47:56 GMT -5
To the runs mentioned above, I would add Michael Avon Oeming's Thor disassembled storyline (from Thor vol. 2, 80-85). It's available as a trade paperback too.
That story is meant to bring the saga of Thor to its conclusion; the character would go missing from the shelves for a few years after it. (It happened as the old Avengers book was also brought to an end, to usher in the era of the New Avengers with Spidey and Luke Cage).
I have the utmost respect for those issues, for several reasons. First, even if it's pretty obvious that an editorial mandate is behind the idea of ending the Thor mag until someone finds a way to rejuvenate the formula, Oeming rises to the occasion and writes a truly powerful conclusion that manages several things at once.
First, it's a very dramatic and solid tale in its own right. It chronicles the final days of Asgard, and this time it's for real. I don't think it's a spoiler to reveal that pretty much everybody dies, and Asgard is destroyed.
Second, it's a great capstone to all the Thor storylines that came before. Not only do we see old and familiar faces one final time, but we finally find out why there were so many Ragnaroks in the past. (I mean, there really should have been only one, right? But we witnessed it half a dozen times or so over the years). It also has great little ideas, like how the forging of Mjolnir, a looooooog time ago, caused so much cosmic upheaval that Earth's dinosaurs were wiped out by falling debris!
Finally, it gives Thor (in what might have been his final appearance) the chance to grow as a character, and to take a truly heroic and epic decision. It also has a neat meta message about comics always retelling the same stories.
I knew there was no way the character would stay gone (exploitable intellectual property that it is) but love Thor as I do, I would have been fine with the idea that this was truly his final adventure.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 12, 2020 10:29:14 GMT -5
Also there is a reason nobody suggests starting the Lee/Kirby run from the beginning. (This reason is that the first couple years are really, really, really bad. The series only took off when it had both Lee and Kirby working on it full time.) The first, at least, year of Thor is warmed over Weisinger Superman with Loki standing in for Mxyzptlk. If it weren't for the Human Torch in Strange Tales it would be the worst of the early Marvel features.
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