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Post by dcindexer on Oct 14, 2014 10:23:54 GMT -5
That makes sense, but I'm extremely unfamiliar with John's work pre-Marvel. Is it safe to assume that Sal would beat John when comparing Marvel page counts? Sal did a lot of work (several thousand pages) where he inked the work of others. The numbers above are credits for pencils not inks. If you include his work as inker, then yes, Sal did more total pages, but not by much. Top 5 for pencils or inks: | Creator | Pages | Vince Colletta
| 20799 | Curt Swan
| 18865 | Sal Buscema
| 18420 | John Buscema
| 17915 | Jack Kirby
| 17455 |
If you are talking Marvel pencillers though John is by far #1, followed by Sal, Kirby, Colan, and Romita Jr. (who ranks #12 on the combined list) |
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Post by MDG on Oct 14, 2014 12:13:35 GMT -5
I think if counts included his extensive work for Cracked, John Severin would be right up there.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 14, 2014 12:14:50 GMT -5
I'd have to keep penciller's and inker's separate.Facing a blank page is a world of difference to applying inks
As to Icctrombone-I see no distinction between Archie artists vs others. If you want to get technical, which artists employ assisstants to do backgrounds or other tasks. Many do . I know for a fact that Gil Kane availed himself. In most cases, this situation is never mentioned
Dr Osamu Tezuka (Astro Boy,Kimba and more) supposedly did 170,000 pages.Woah
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 14, 2014 13:08:44 GMT -5
As to Icctrombone-I see no distinction between Archie artists vs others. If you want to get technical, which artists employ assisstants to do backgrounds or other tasks. Many do . I know for a fact that Gil Kane availed himself. In most cases, this situation is never mentioned Wally Wood employed assistants throughout his career. Not that he was super prolific anyway. But...yeah. The name on the page doesn't necessarily tell the story of who did all the work. |
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Post by MDG on Oct 14, 2014 14:46:37 GMT -5
As to Icctrombone-I see no distinction between Archie artists vs others. If you want to get technical, which artists employ assisstants to do backgrounds or other tasks. Many do . I know for a fact that Gil Kane availed himself. In most cases, this situation is never mentioned Wally Wood employed assistants throughout his career. Not that he was super prolific anyway. Wood was always pretty prolific, but wasn't always working in comics. For example, in the 60s, he did a lot of digest illustrations and a ton for Topps cards. Ditto Eisner, who was putting out PS for the army and paperback books for kids. I believe Vinny Colletta used a lot of assistants (in the sense that he went out and lined up jobs and other people did the work). |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 14, 2014 14:59:48 GMT -5
Wally Wood employed assistants throughout his career. Not that he was super prolific anyway. Wood was always pretty prolific, but wasn't always working in comics. For example, in the 60s, he did a lot of digest illustrations and a ton for Topps cards. Ditto Eisner, who was putting out PS for the army and paperback books for kids. I believe Vinny Colletta used a lot of assistants (in the sense that he went out and lined up jobs and other people did the work). Yes, I also read that Vinnie employed assistants for years. And if the work he lined up was still too much for his crew, Vinnie would just start to erase some of the penciled lines Flipside, Charles (Peanuts) Schultz was famous for never,ever using an assistant. Kirby to my knowledge did not as well (except maybe someone who erased some of the pencil lines or other cleanup) |
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Post by fanboystranger on Oct 14, 2014 20:44:19 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised that John Romita, Jr wasn't on the list. The guy is closing in on forty years in the industry, and he's had at least one book a month since then. He would have been my go-to guy amongst contemporary artists.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 14, 2014 20:54:33 GMT -5
I think if counts included his extensive work for Cracked, John Severin would be right up there. That was my thought as well, he worked right up till he passed so I imagine that counts for something. |
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Post by benday-dot on Oct 14, 2014 20:58:46 GMT -5
I've read from multiple places that Kirby tops 20 000. I've heard the figure as high as 25 000 (Evanier's book). In the Kirby Collector somewhere they address this question, but for the life of me I can't find it now.
I guess it depends what we count. But 17 000 plus seems low for Kirby.
I am not sure if Mike's page count is counting breakdowns/layouts for John Buscema as well as Kirby. Kirby layed out a lot of work for other artists. Also do we count pages from things like Sky Masters or Black Hole? Then there are things like cards, calendars, portfolios, premiums, toy tie-ins, etc.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 14, 2014 21:27:00 GMT -5
As to Icctrombone-I see no distinction between Archie artists vs others. If you want to get technical, which artists employ assisstants to do backgrounds or other tasks. Many do . I know for a fact that Gil Kane availed himself. In most cases, this situation is never mentioned Wally Wood employed assistants throughout his career. Not that he was super prolific anyway. But...yeah. The name on the page doesn't necessarily tell the story of who did all the work. Ladies and gentlemen, Bob Kane! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 14, 2014 22:04:41 GMT -5
As to Icctrombone-I see no distinction between Archie artists vs others. If you want to get technical, which artists employ assisstants to do backgrounds or other tasks. Many do . I know for a fact that Gil Kane availed himself. In most cases, this situation is never mentioned Yikes! We can only go with the information that we have. Even If I assume assistants were used, why can't we assume that assistants were also used for Decarlo and the other Archie books? I can't give the Archie artists the same credit for work committed to the pages because those pages had simple renderings of people that were a step above stick figures. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 14, 2014 22:11:12 GMT -5
As to Icctrombone-I see no distinction between Archie artists vs others. If you want to get technical, which artists employ assisstants to do backgrounds or other tasks. Many do . I know for a fact that Gil Kane availed himself. In most cases, this situation is never mentioned I can't give the Archie artists the same credit for work committed to the pages because those pages had simple renderings of people that were a step above stick figures. Wow! You've clearly never read an Archie comic. That's just a absurd statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 22:20:22 GMT -5
So you are basically saying this Buscema breakdown page given to the inker...  took more effort and time and more drawing to complete and should count more than a piece like this....  that DeCarlo did because it's barely more than stick figures? Ok. -M |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 14, 2014 23:10:15 GMT -5
mrp with a slam dunk. Game over
Its tabsurd to say that, based on the number of lines on a page, its indicative of superior work. Some of the ugliest art I've seen has been overly rendered drawings versus something were the artwork is simpler and every line is important such as Toth. Simplifying the deliniation is a sign of maturity
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 15, 2014 7:45:47 GMT -5
The real work that goes into a comics page is mental, not manual. Designing the page (e.g. breaking down the action into panels and determining what pictorial elements to emphasize in each) requires the exact same thought processes for a Dan DeCarlo page as for a George Perez page. In fact, it can be harder for an artist like DeCarlo, who can't hide behind a bunch of rendering tricks and extraneous detail. Those guys work just as hard as the Kirbys and Buscemas, and deserve the same respect.
Cei-U!
Yea, verily!
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