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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 17, 2014 6:11:00 GMT -5
My stick figures comment was tongue in cheek. I love the look of Decarlos work as much as anyone, we all grew up on it. But his style would never have survived in the Action/ Adventure genre which is more demanding in it's detail. I remember reading that Fred Hembeck submitted pencils to make it in the big 2 and wasn't successful. He then started doing the cartoon style that we all know him for. It's easier to do something like this:  Than something like this:  As for Big John, I can't dispute that his latter work became very loose layouts. But I don't think he did that for all his books. Maybe someone knows what books he drew in the end of his career (Conan?), but he loved doing the sword and sorcery genre and I think he put more work and detail into it. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 17, 2014 10:46:32 GMT -5
My stick figures comment was tongue in cheek. I love the look of Decarlos work as much as anyone, we all grew up on it. But his style would never have survived in the Action/ Adventure genre which is more demanding in it's detail. I remember reading that Fred Hembeck submitted pencils to make it in the big 2 and wasn't successful. He then started doing the cartoon style that we all know him for. It's easier to do something like this:You keep saying it's easier and you're absolutely wrong. I'd advise you to read some interviews on the subject from the artists who actually pencil. Draw Magazine from Tomorrows Publications is a good place to start. You might change your view by reading what artists say |
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Post by MDG on Oct 17, 2014 12:24:17 GMT -5
It's easier to do something like this: Than something like this: Unless you consider the amount of clear, quickly understood, visual storytelling in the DeCarlo example. "Detail" has been a comic fan bugaboo for years and usually translates into "a lot of little lines." Has nothing to do telling a story or expressing a character. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 14:47:32 GMT -5
My stick figures comment was tongue in cheek. I love the look of Decarlos work as much as anyone, we all grew up on it. But his style would never have survived in the Action/ Adventure genre which is more demanding in it's detail. I remember reading that Fred Hembeck submitted pencils to make it in the big 2 and wasn't successful. He then started doing the cartoon style that we all know him for. It's easier to do something like this:You keep saying it's easier and you're absolutely wrong. I'd advise you to read some interviews on the subject from the artists who actually pencil. Draw Magazine from Tomorrows Publications is a good place to start. You might change your view by reading what artists say Girls! Girls! You're both pretty! (I'm seeing Ish as more of a Veronica type, with Icc rocking a bit of a Betty vibe ...) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 14:48:12 GMT -5
MDG I'm not sure about. Midge, maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 14:48:34 GMT -5
Kurt would be Li'l Jinx, natch.
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 17, 2014 16:26:43 GMT -5
Kurt would be Li'l Jinx, natch. Not even Jughead? Hell, I'd settle for Hot Dog. Sigh. Cei-U! I summon the depression! |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 17, 2014 16:32:00 GMT -5
You keep saying it's easier and you're absolutely wrong. I'd advise you to read some interviews on the subject from the artists who actually pencil. Draw Magazine from Tomorrows Publications is a good place to start. You might change your view by reading what artists say Girls! Girls! You're both pretty! (I'm seeing Ish as more of a Veronica type, with Icc rocking a bit of a Betty vibe ...) But the prettiest of all is Moonbeam McSwine, though different comic, I know. But a better compliment, still. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 17, 2014 19:18:38 GMT -5
Girls! Girls! You're both pretty! quote] When Dan intercedes as THE VOICE OF REASON we all have to step back and take a deep breathe.(Well not too deep because Dan's near) |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 17, 2014 20:09:37 GMT -5
Girls! Girls! You're both pretty! quote] When Dan intercedes as THE VOICE OF REASON we all have to step back and take a deep breathe.(Well not too deep because Dan's near) Yeah, especially when he's like the Reggie Mantle of this metaphor. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 18, 2014 12:22:41 GMT -5
And who is Dilton Doily?
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Post by chadwilliam on Oct 18, 2014 13:24:05 GMT -5
I'm always terrible at these sorts of things - my brain simply can't envision concepts such as 8000 page counts measured against someone else's say 9000, but as it seems strange not to see his name mentioned here, how about Mike Sekowsky?
From Michael Eury's Justice League Companion:
Sekowsky was one of the fastest artists in the business, averaging one penciled page per three hours, rivalling the speed of the "King", Jack Kirby.
A workhorse who sometimes pulled all-nighters at the drawing board, Big Mike often rallied to the aid of his dead-lined beleagured friends, ghosting their styles and helping them complete their assignments while maintaining a healthy workload of his own.
Joe Giella recounts the tale of losing his first ever assignment from Stan Lee on a train and Sekowsky redraw the entire for him - without accepting a dime for his efforts as Giella recalls in spite of his imploring him to take something for his efforts.
Sekowsky's speed is frequently mentioned in the book (at one point it was mentioned that bets were taken as to which DC artist could complete the most work over the weekend and he'd usually be the guy to beat) and is often cited as perfect for drawing the number of characters he had too in a title such as Justice League of America.
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Post by dcindexer on Oct 18, 2014 14:32:59 GMT -5
page counts measured against someone else's say 9000, but as it seems strange not to see his name mentioned here, how about Mike Sekowsky? Sekowsky ranks at #18 on my list. Here's 11-25 (#1-10 appeared earlier in the thread). Keep in mind this list is primarily just stuff from the Big 2 with a few odds and ends from other publishers. Sekowsky did a fair bit of work for other publishers. So did a number of these guys. However, this should give you an idea of where they rank relative to one another. | Rank | Penciller
| | 11 | Dick Ayers
| | 12 | John Romita Jr. | | 13 | Mark Bagley
| | 14 | Ron Lim
| | 15 | Joe Staton | | 16 | Dick Dillin | | 17 | George Perez | | 18 | Mike Sekowsky | | 19 | Joe Kubert
| | 20 | Ron Frenz | | 21 | Don Heck
| | 22 | Tom Grummett | | 23 | Herb Trimpe | | 24 | Jim Mooney | | 25 | Sheldon Moldoff |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 18, 2014 16:59:45 GMT -5
I think Tin Tin is a pretty awesome action book, and Herge's style isn't all that different than the Archie artists.
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Post by benday-dot on Oct 18, 2014 19:43:01 GMT -5
Does anyone know how Archie Comics were created. How much input did the artists have. Were they drawn from detailed full script, or more like Marvel Method with artist doing the plotting? The only thing I know that seems to be the case is that Archie Comics usually had a separate scripter from penciler, a state of affairs in common with much of mainstream comics assembly line production.
I thinks it's important when asking the question "Who is the most prolific artist?" that all comic artists get equal consideration, that no style is privileged above another.
Thus we ask , all things being equal, the creative and technical aspects of completing a page, how fast or how prolific can an artist claim to be?
However in answering this question, even with all getting a fair shake, the various roads taken do diverge, and can affect the outcome in the "prolific" count.
A guy like Curt Swan, bred in the bone of the DC system, has been statistically shown to have the most output of pages under his belt. However, Swan, without taking away the autonomy of composition, was not a conceptualizer or pure storyteller like say Kirby could shown to be. Swan worked from full scripts given to him by a DC system which tended to be more balanced toward the writer/editor side of the equation.Kirby thought of himself as a storyteller first and a penciler (artist) second. What drove him was the creative side, the high concepts, the plots he dreamed up. Once he had that it was relatively easy for him to put the drawing on the page.
John Buscema was somewhere in between. Also, for much of his career, having to work in Marvel Method, and imaginatively break down the plots he would draw, Buscema was still not a creative power in the Kirby mold. Roy Thomas and John Buscema had a different relationship than did Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Kirby was creating universes, John was revealing its form. Both were creating beautiful comics.
I don't where in the cradle to grave of comic page production DeCarlo falls, but while everyone must be counted and no one discounted, based on level of detail rendered, the basic stats DC Indexer graciously supplies, do not necessarily tell the whole prolific tale
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