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Post by hondobrode on Mar 10, 2020 2:07:01 GMT -5
This open Friday with Vin Diesel in the lead role.
Trailers look good; I'm hopeful for the debut of the Valiant cinematic universe.
If this does fairly well, the next movie up is Harbinger.
My bro is coming to see this with me and on my trip to see my Nebraska kin we're going to see it as a group.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 2:30:32 GMT -5
It's going to get killed in the international box office with all the countries cancelling public events in the wake of the Corona virus pandemic. Many studios are beginning to push movies back because the ever-important Chinese box office is a mess right now, and all of Italy is essentially shut down, so it's going to have an uphill battle to meet box office expectations.
-M
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 10, 2020 9:42:36 GMT -5
It's going to get killed in the international box office with all the countries cancelling public events in the wake of the Corona virus pandemic. Many studios are beginning to push movies back because the ever-important Chinese box office is a mess right now, and all of Italy is essentially shut down, so it's going to have an uphill battle to meet box office expectations. -M I might be cynical, but maybe that's the point? Perhaps the studio knew this would bomb so they're still going ahead with the release so they can use the excuse that it couldn't reach international audiences for its failure and try to grab some of the supposed forth coming government subsidies for big businesses troubled by the pandemic. I know, major conspiracy time, I'll wear the tin foil hat of shame. But still. Maybe? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 9:51:22 GMT -5
It's going to get killed in the international box office with all the countries cancelling public events in the wake of the Corona virus pandemic. Many studios are beginning to push movies back because the ever-important Chinese box office is a mess right now, and all of Italy is essentially shut down, so it's going to have an uphill battle to meet box office expectations. -M I might be cynical, but maybe that's the point? Perhaps the studio knew this would bomb so they're still going ahead with the release so they can use the excuse that it couldn't reach international audiences for its failure and try to grab some of the supposed forth coming government subsidies for big businesses troubled by the pandemic. I know, major conspiracy time, I'll wear the tin foil hat of shame. But still. Maybe? I don't know. The owners of Valiant are a Chinese multi-media company and it's been said capturing the Chinese market rather than the American market was one of their big goals with the acquisition of Valiant, but that's Bleeding Cool reporting rather than something firm. If true, I am not sure how this will all play out for them. They're certainly not making money off their print comic division, and pretty much every new Valiant series is available "in trade" for free on Hoopla, so it's hard to understand what their actual endgame is. At this point, the legacy of new Valiant is shaping up to be trend-chasers who wind up a day late and a dollar short rather than innovators or trend-setters the way the original Valiant ended up being in it's brief run. -M |
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 12, 2020 11:51:44 GMT -5
I might be cynical, but maybe that's the point? Perhaps the studio knew this would bomb so they're still going ahead with the release so they can use the excuse that it couldn't reach international audiences for its failure and try to grab some of the supposed forth coming government subsidies for big businesses troubled by the pandemic. I know, major conspiracy time, I'll wear the tin foil hat of shame. But still. Maybe? If that were the case, they probably would have just shipped the film off to Netflix like so many other studios are doing with absolute stinkers |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 12, 2020 11:56:44 GMT -5
I might be cynical, but maybe that's the point? Perhaps the studio knew this would bomb so they're still going ahead with the release so they can use the excuse that it couldn't reach international audiences for its failure and try to grab some of the supposed forth coming government subsidies for big businesses troubled by the pandemic. I know, major conspiracy time, I'll wear the tin foil hat of shame. But still. Maybe? If that were the case, they probably would have just shipped the film off to Netflix like so many other studios are doing with absolute stinkers Conspiracy again...but if they did that then they couldn't get bailed out by Trump. |
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 15, 2020 10:21:02 GMT -5
I would truly be surprised if anyone else saw this but me, but it was a pretty good movie; not great, but solid.
Looking forward to more hopefully.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 6:52:17 GMT -5
Looks like it is going to get an early digital release because of the pandemic.
-M
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 19, 2020 12:35:38 GMT -5
Looks like it is going to get an early digital release because of the pandemic. Well that's not encouraging. Guess we can consider the Valiant Cinematic Universe dead then? Unless X-O is still being developed by another company from what I recall |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 12:48:23 GMT -5
Looks like it is going to get an early digital release because of the pandemic. Well that's not encouraging. Guess we can consider the Valiant Cinematic Universe dead then? Unless X-O is still being developed by another company from what I recall I am not sure, under current circumstances, we can judge the success of the VCU based on the early digital release of Bloodshot. Universal is doing the same with a bunch of movies on their slate just in response to the pandemic and social distancing response that has lead to a lot of theatres being closed and people avoiding going to public indoor places. That said, I personally thought the VCU was going to be DOA from the minute they announced it for a number of reasons including 1) the track record of Valiant's new owners (DGM), and 2) the fact that the established super-hero movie franchises had set the bar pretty high in terms of box office success so that any trend-chaser was gong to have to produce something above and beyond to reach anything near that level of revenue success to excite a studio enough to keep producing movies out of the gate. The MCU grew organically. Sure Marvel Studios had a plan for the big picture, but they focused on producing a good movie first and the success of the first movie gave them the resources and audience goodwill to build on that. They created a foundation first. All the johnny-come-latelies who are trying to imitate the MCU model however, seem to skip that step and assume people will buy into the Universe before they buy into a single movie and usually under-deliver with the first movie because they think it's success is already a foregone conclusion and are trying to build something bigger with no actual foundation to work with. They forget you have to earn the audience goodwill before you can start to build something that big, and that the MCU was the exception, not the rule in that regard. -M |
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 19, 2020 13:00:27 GMT -5
I am not sure, under current circumstances, we can judge the success of the VCU based on the early digital release of Bloodshot. Universal is doing the same with a bunch of movies on their slate just in response to the pandemic and social distancing response that has lead to a lot of theatres being closed and people avoiding going to public indoor places. That said, I personally thought the VCU was going to be DOA from the minute they announced it for a number of reasons including 1) the track record of Valiant's new owners (DGM), and 2) the fact that the established super-hero movie franchises had set the bar pretty high in terms of box office success so that any trend-chaser was gong to have to produce something above and beyond to reach anything near that level of revenue success to excite a studio enough to keep producing movies out of the gate. The MCU grew organically. Sure Marvel Studios had a plan for the big picture, but they focused on producing a good movie first and the success of the first movie gave them the resources and audience goodwill to build on that. They created a foundation first. All the johnny-come-latelies who are trying to imitate the MCU model however, seem to skip that step and assume people will buy into the Universe before they buy into a single movie and usually under-deliver with the first movie because they think it's success is already a foregone conclusion and are trying to build something bigger with no actual foundation to work with. They forget you have to earn the audience goodwill before you can start to build something that big, and that the MCU was the exception, not the rule in that regard. Completely agree. From what I recall though from my days at a certain Valiant forum, they didn't have all that much planned up front except maybe a Harbinger and Harbinger Wars event film. Mind you that was probably just speculation much like how Valiant and Peter Milligan were going to make a Magnus Robot Fighter knock-off called Britannia, that later turned out to be an ode to Lovecraft set in Roman times with detective elements |
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 20, 2020 7:51:53 GMT -5
I don't think it's too ambitious to make a Bloodshot movie as the starting point for a Valiant cinematic universe.
I'd appreciate hearing from anyone else who actually saw the movie. It was better than I expected. I could only catch the late showing and having been working lots of overtime with Open Enrollment and actually fell asleep through part of the movie; that's on me, not the movie.
I'm definitely going to see it again and will post a review here as I'm able to once it goes to direct release.
The next movie will be Harbinger and then Harbinger Wars where Bloodshot is sent to control / round up the rebel psiots.
I'd like to hear anyone's opinion after they've actually seen the movie; comparing it to blockbuster Marvel, saying that anything shy of that level is not successful, is not an accurate assessment IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 8:01:19 GMT -5
I don't think it's too ambitious to make a Bloodshot movie as the starting point for a Valiant cinematic universe. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone else who actually saw the movie. It was better than I expected. I could only catch the late showing and having been working lots of overtime with Open Enrollment and actually fell asleep through part of the movie; that's on me, not the movie. I'm definitely going to see it again and will post a review here as I'm able to once it goes to direct release. The next movie will be Harbinger and then Harbinger Wars where Bloodshot is sent to control / round up the rebel psiots. I'd like to hear anyone's opinion after they've actually seen the movie; comparing it to blockbuster Marvel, saying that anything shy of that level is not successful, is not an accurate assessment IMO. Yes, but you are not a suit at a studio who has to allocate the studio's resources and release date slots and has to maximize both the revenue and potential award nominations with those resources and slots. A popcorn blockbuster type action movie franchise that is not going to get serious award consideration no matter how good it is has to then deliver on the revenue side, and opportunity cost comes into play-if I allocate resources to a franchise like Valiant whose first film underperformed, I don't have those resources to allocate to another franchise or film that doesn't have that black mark on its track record. And it's not Bloodshot that was over-ambitious, it is assuming that you are going to get to make Harbinger and Harbinger Wars before anyone has seen Bloodshot and before it has audience buy in and box office success. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 8:17:29 GMT -5
Oh and the studio executive making the decision about the Valiant movies likely won't have seen the movie either, he/she will be basing his decision on box office, critical reception and audience buy-in. The quality of the actual movie or the history of the Valiant Universe will be absolute non-factors in the decision.
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Post by brutalis on Mar 20, 2020 9:02:33 GMT -5
I don't think it's too ambitious to make a Bloodshot movie as the starting point for a Valiant cinematic universe. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone else who actually saw the movie. It was better than I expected. I could only catch the late showing and having been working lots of overtime with Open Enrollment and actually fell asleep through part of the movie; that's on me, not the movie. I'm definitely going to see it again and will post a review here as I'm able to once it goes to direct release. The next movie will be Harbinger and then Harbinger Wars where Bloodshot is sent to control / round up the rebel psiots. I'd like to hear anyone's opinion after they've actually seen the movie; comparing it to blockbuster Marvel, saying that anything shy of that level is not successful, is not an accurate assessment IMO. I really enjoyed the movie. It wasn't trying to be a "super-hero" movie as it was meant to be science-fiction/action motivated. There was flaws (to be expected in a smaller company production) here and there but overall it was interesting and provides a nice fun alternative to Marvel/DC heroics. I went in knowing it would be VIN being VIN (he has a limited acting skill set, but it works) and I was impressed enough to want to see more. A villain that was a thinker who manipulated and used everyone to his advantage, not a big fist to fist fighter, some unique ideas with cybernetics/bionics/robotics and a story which helped to make you pay attention and think and figure things out as it went along. The CGI was a bit rough but that too was expected from a smaller company. The movie itself reminded me of 80/90's HBO late night sci-fi movies, which isn't a bad thing. It proves there can be more "variety" within what is considered to being a comic book movie. The movie it self suffers from 2 things: Valiant/Bloodshot a big name comic and then the Covid Virus limiting audiences even more. I do wonder if Video on Demand will help increase the money it takes in?!? |
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