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Post by rberman on Mar 18, 2020 12:50:18 GMT -5
I have to respect Chris Claremont's long game with both Rogue and Carol Danvers. Claremont had written Ms. Marvel and was among those disturbed by her send-off with Marcus in Avengers #200. So he brought her back from that, but depowered, while at the same time introducing Rogue as a one-dimensional mustache twirler (as it were) who stole Carol's powers. Then Carol hung out with the X-Men for a whole and got a new set of powers. Then Rogue was given more depth and weakness and forced to seek help from the X-Men, bringing them into conflict with Carol (now Binary), with government authorities looking for Rogue, and with Rogue's friends in the Brotherhood of Mutants. It made for a good number of stories in the run between Uncanny X-Men #150-200, including Storm getting depowered for a while, when the government was trying to take down Rogue. Back to the topic, were there any bad key covers in this range? This one is pretty bad. In part because I never loved JRJr's X-Men work, and in part because of Magneto's worst-ever costume. No metal to manipulate, just a bizarre pair of opera gloves and a caped bodysuit with a giant "M" on it.  |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 18, 2020 13:19:13 GMT -5
Who wore it best?  |
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Post by rberman on Mar 18, 2020 14:07:09 GMT -5
The answer is always "Marilyn."
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Post by badwolf on Mar 18, 2020 15:31:04 GMT -5
As bad an artist as JRJR was, his costume design was even worse.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 18, 2020 16:52:46 GMT -5
As bad an artist as JRJR was, his costume design was even worse. JRJR is not a bad artist. On the contrary... |
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Post by foxley on Mar 18, 2020 16:58:30 GMT -5
Back to the topic, were there any bad key covers in this range? This one is pretty bad. In part because I never loved JRJr's X-Men work, and in part because of Magneto's worst-ever costume. No metal to manipulate, just a bizarre pair of opera gloves and a caped bodysuit with a giant "M" on it. Well, the cape was lined with metal fibres, allowing him to manipulate it in a variety of ways.
And I actually like this design better than the so-called classic "I will terrorize humanity by wearing a bucket on my head" look.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 18, 2020 18:41:54 GMT -5
As bad an artist as JRJR was, his costume design was even worse. JRJR revitalized the art of The Amazing Spider-Man after an undeniably drab, energy-drained period of very un-Spider-Man work from a number of artists, including Weiss, McLeod, Pollard, Byrne (yikes), and even Simonson, who was really out his element with Spider-Man. |
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Post by badwolf on Mar 18, 2020 20:27:44 GMT -5
As bad an artist as JRJR was, his costume design was even worse. JRJR revitalized the art of The Amazing Spider-Man after an undeniably drab, energy-drained period of very un-Spider-Man work from a number of artists, including Weiss, McLeod, Pollard, Byrne (yikes), and even Simonson, who was really out his element with Spider-Man. Every one of those artists is better than JRJR. I'll accede that his Spider-Man (and Iron Man) art wasn't too bad, but it's either because of his inkers, or something happened to him when he got on UXM, and he never recovered.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 18, 2020 21:39:15 GMT -5
Let us agree it's subjective.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 19, 2020 5:35:30 GMT -5
JRJR revitalized the art of The Amazing Spider-Man after an undeniably drab, energy-drained period of very un-Spider-Man work from a number of artists, including Weiss, McLeod, Pollard, Byrne (yikes), and even Simonson, who was really out his element with Spider-Man. Every one of those artists is better than JRJR. I'll accede that his Spider-Man (and Iron Man) art wasn't too bad, but it's either because of his inkers, or something happened to him when he got on UXM, and he never recovered.
I will agree that after his X-men work, the figures got a bit choppy but his artwork has a lot of power in it and he is a fan favorite even now. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 19, 2020 13:04:41 GMT -5
JRJR revitalized the art of The Amazing Spider-Man after an undeniably drab, energy-drained period of very un-Spider-Man work from a number of artists, including Weiss, McLeod, Pollard, Byrne (yikes), and even Simonson, who was really out his element with Spider-Man. Every one of those artists is better than JRJR. I'll accede that his Spider-Man (and Iron Man) art wasn't too bad, but it's either because of his inkers, or something happened to him when he got on UXM, and he never recovered.
I agree, and I think that Bob Layton must be the best inker ever to make JRJR look so good on Iron Man. Or, like you say, he decided to change his style...for the worse, IMHO. |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 19, 2020 13:15:02 GMT -5
I loved JRJR's Daredevil.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 19, 2020 13:50:35 GMT -5
I like early JRJR stuff...he changed though. His Spidey stuff from the 80s is a great joy of mine. Anything from the 90's and into the 2000s...no thanks
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Post by Confessor on Mar 19, 2020 14:06:39 GMT -5
I like John Romita Jr's art a lot. I really enjoy his 80s stuff on Amazing Spider-Man, around the Roger Stern era. But, while his later blockier style isn't quite as instantly appealing to the eye, once you've gotten used to it, I think it's actually better than his more conventional 80s fare. Certainly he improved as a visual storyteller through the 90s and 2000s. His time on ASM in the 2000s with J. Michael Straczynski writing is one of the best and most underrated eras of Spider-Man IMHO.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 19, 2020 16:10:27 GMT -5
The Eternals is probably the best looking work I've seen from him in the later style.
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