|
Post by Icctrombone on Apr 1, 2020 17:39:27 GMT -5
April fools.
|
|
|
Post by Batflunkie on Apr 1, 2020 19:31:00 GMT -5
Has Jim even really done anything recently outside of the Turok, Solar, and Magnus reboots for Dark Horse? I mean it's a shame because he has legit talent. Still can't believe he turned down the opportunity to be on the board of directors for Valiant when it relaunced
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Apr 1, 2020 19:54:02 GMT -5
Has Jim even really done anything recently outside of the Turok, Solar, and Magnus reboots for Dark Horse? I mean it's a shame because he has legit talent. Still can't believe he turned down the opportunity to be on the board of directors for Valiant when it relaunced I never heard that he was offered a job in Valiant. I thought he was still a pariah in the comics world. Although, I imagine the people that have grudges against him are mostly out of the business at this point.
|
|
|
Post by Batflunkie on Apr 1, 2020 20:04:02 GMT -5
I never heard that he was offered a job in Valiant. I honestly forget where I heard it. It might have been on Shooter's blog or on that "Only The Valiant" podcast way back when
|
|
|
Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 2, 2020 6:51:39 GMT -5
Man, I'm a day late and you still got me.
|
|
|
Post by brutalis on Apr 2, 2020 13:18:32 GMT -5
We could only wish for Shooter to return on Avengers. Might make the series readable again.
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Apr 2, 2020 17:34:27 GMT -5
We could only wish for Shooter to return on Avengers. Might make the series readable again. We'll aways have Paris. I still have Avengers 1-300 to read. ( I have until 402, but you can get by on the first 300).
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on Apr 2, 2020 19:27:31 GMT -5
Shooter did some Legion work at DC, then burned that bridge to the ground. Paul Levitz was one of the last friends he had in the business, and I believe he instigated the project. Don't recall the exact circumstances, other than they split with him and that was that. Man's burned more bridges than Wile E Coyote.
I will see he was screwed at Valiant. He got diddled out of his controlling shares through some pretty underhanded and borderline illegal shenanigans from his investment partners. Everything else, he pretty much earned; but, not that one.
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Apr 2, 2020 21:18:44 GMT -5
This was in Shooters blog-
Jim Shooter Dear Dennis,
There were no content objections.
My dealings with DC were nightmarish. They probably felt the same way about dealing with me.
The books suffered problem after problem, mistake after egregious mistake.
Example. I was asked to write a TEXT FEATURE about the Legion Flight Ring. I delivered it as requested. No word as to when it was going to run.
Months passed. Finally, one day, completed, colored artwork for issue #41 was sent to me for comments.
There among the pages, unheralded, was the "text feature" DRAWN AS COMIC BOOK PAGES! Not text with some small spot illos, as called for, but FULL-SIZED PANELS. Someone had failed to grok that it was a text feature — as had been requested — and had given it to an artist who drew it as regular comics pages.
Problem: the copy that should have been typeset for a text feature was LETTERED at regular size. You just can't fit nearly 1500 words of lettered copy into three pages of comic book panels. I called and pointed that out to the editor. He said, yes, he'd realized that, but no worries, his assistant was CHOPPING THE COPY.
I said, no, don't let her do that. I'll do it. The editor said fine, but the book absolutely, positively had to go to the printer the next day. I told him I'd stay up all night if necessary and make the copy fit the art. He gave me the go ahead.
By the way, every issue went down to the wire, though I was months ahead of schedule with the scripts. In fact, the text feature had been delivered TEN MONTHS before it was finally used in #41.
So, I stayed up all night and fixed the thing as best I could. I delivered it in the very early AM. That day, a Friday, was spent the same way as every other day a book left the house — reviewing things via e-mail, suggesting last minute corrections of the coloring and lettering. Often, with each and every issue, not just #41, I was told that though a mistake was crippling there was no time to fix it.
In the middle of the afternoon, it dawned on me that I hadn't seen the revised text feature pages. I called the editor. He wasn't there. He had left early to get a headstart on his weekend.
So, I called his assistant. She said, no worries, she had rewritten the text feature. And that the book had left the house. Apparently no one had bothered to tell her that, with the editor's approval, I had stayed up all night to rewrite it.
I asked if it had my credit on it. Yep.
That infuriates me more than anything. Even if her rewrite had been brilliant, I would still be angry that my name was on something I didn't write. The fact that my byline was on a train wreck is almost academic.
That incident was one of many, some even worse.
I really wanted to see it through, but in the end, I'd had enough and they couldn't wait to get rid of me.
The last straw was that issue #50, in which they wanted me to wrap the story that should have gone another five issues, was originally planned and approved as a double-sized issue. When I was inches from finishing the script, the editor e-mailed me and told me: "Apologies, but the approval never came in, so we’re set at 22 pages." He said I should cut the script down to fit.
There is no way to cut eight pages out of a tight 30-page script. It's a rewrite. I declined. They got someone else.
P.S. After my contentions with DC started getting nasty, they decided to cancel the book with #50. Why, since it was selling much better than a lot of titles they weren't cancelling? Answer: It was a graceful way to get rid of me.
P.P.S. After it was all over, Mark Waid sent me a commiserating e-mail. He understood exactly what had happened without being told. MAY 28, 2011
|
|
|
Post by badwolf on Apr 15, 2020 12:17:29 GMT -5
Never thought I'd be nostalgic about Shooter's writing but...
|
|
|
Post by corona on May 12, 2020 13:30:12 GMT -5
Jim's ego can rub people the wrong way.
But I feel sorry for him. Was glad he did the blog years ago so we can get his POV for once. He's a geek in a monster's body. As a teen breaking in, he was taught by strict DC bosses and carried the "right way" to do comics. Appreciated the Marvel creative process better. Stan and Jack hero worship. He was a boss and hated for it.
We all had roles we assume at work, and sometimes people's feelings get hurt. Most of the complaints and rants from ex-writers and artists sound babyish. When Jim was wrong, he owns up to it.
|
|
|
Post by rberman on May 22, 2020 16:18:55 GMT -5
Jim's ego can rub people the wrong way. But I feel sorry for him. Was glad he did the blog years ago so we can get his POV for once. He's a geek in a monster's body. As a teen breaking in, he was taught by strict DC bosses and carried the "right way" to do comics. Appreciated the Marvel creative process better. Stan and Jack hero worship. He was a boss and hated for it. We all had roles we assume at work, and sometimes people's feelings get hurt. Most of the complaints and rants from ex-writers and artists sound babyish. When Jim was wrong, he owns up to it. Welcome corona! Just, you know, stay six feet away.
|
|
|
Post by badwolf on May 25, 2020 8:57:14 GMT -5
Please come back Jim, all is forgiven!
|
|
|
Post by tonebone on Jul 8, 2020 14:23:49 GMT -5
Has Jim even really done anything recently outside of the Turok, Solar, and Magnus reboots for Dark Horse? I mean it's a shame because he has legit talent. Still can't believe he turned down the opportunity to be on the board of directors for Valiant when it relaunced He did a really good run on Legion of Super Heroes pre-Nu52... and I think on his blog, he even did a write up of how some of the art disappointed him in its storytelling.
|
|
|
Post by tonebone on Jul 9, 2020 14:57:15 GMT -5
Jim's ego can rub people the wrong way. But I feel sorry for him. Was glad he did the blog years ago so we can get his POV for once. He's a geek in a monster's body. As a teen breaking in, he was taught by strict DC bosses and carried the "right way" to do comics. Appreciated the Marvel creative process better. Stan and Jack hero worship. He was a boss and hated for it. We all had roles we assume at work, and sometimes people's feelings get hurt. Most of the complaints and rants from ex-writers and artists sound babyish. When Jim was wrong, he owns up to it. I always say when Shooter was in charge of Marvel, I bought as many as I could afford, every month. It was like crack. When he was gone, so was my enthusiasm. It was years later before I even knew who he was, and that he was driving the quality. I also always say that if NASA was led by a bunch of nice guys in the 60's we never would have made it to the moon.
|
|