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Post by electricmastro on Apr 19, 2020 19:37:41 GMT -5
Stan wrote a prose piece in an early issue of Cap. But Kirby was working with Joe Simon at that time, and continued to right up to the mid 50s. I wonder what the first tale that Stan wrote and Jack drew? Well Jack worked with multiple people, though if text stories don’t count, then perhaps it’s Young Allies #1 from that same year. |
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 19, 2020 20:10:35 GMT -5
Stan wrote a prose piece in an early issue of Cap. But Kirby was working with Joe Simon at that time, and continued to right up to the mid 50s. I wonder what the first tale that Stan wrote and Jack drew? Well Jack worked with multiple people, though if text stories don’t count, then perhaps it’s Young Allies #1 from that same year. Cool! Thanks. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 19, 2020 22:04:48 GMT -5
The Joker meets Catwoman. Batman #2 The Joker Meets The Penguin. Batman #25 The Joker Meets Luthor. World's Finest Comics #88
Luthor Meets Brainiac. Superman #167  Luthor Meets Mr. Mxyztplk and The Prankster. Action Comics #151
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 23:33:36 GMT -5
Archie met Punisher in 1994. I'd like it more if Ennis wrote it and Dillon drew it. With a Bradstreet cover.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Apr 20, 2020 6:04:02 GMT -5
The X-Men meet Iron Man in Tales of Suspense #49 (same date as X-Men #3):  |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Apr 20, 2020 6:47:41 GMT -5
Johnny Storm meets The Sandman in Strange Tales #115, the first Spider-Man villain to "cross over."  |
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Post by Rob Allen on Apr 20, 2020 15:50:09 GMT -5
Well Jack worked with multiple people, though if text stories don’t count, then perhaps it’s Young Allies #1 from that same year. Cool! Thanks. I just spent some time with GCD's Advanced Search. That Young Allies issue has two chapters scripted by Stan, where Kirby drew the first page of each chapter. That just barely counts as a collaboration. The first story credited as "script: Stan Lee; pencils: Jack Kirby" is "I Fought the Molten Man-Thing" in Tales of Suspense #7, January 1960. But I have doubts about that. There are plenty of other stories in the same genre around that time that have Larry Lieber scripting from Stan's plots. And the GCD index doesn't mention the source of the script credit on this story. The earliest unambiguous Lee-Kirby collaboration is a 4-page backup story, "Dance or Draw, Tenderfoot!" in Two-Gun Kid #54, June 1960. It's unambiguous because the story carries Stan's, Jack's and inker Dick Ayers' signatures. The following month they did a 3-page story, "The Stallion's Revenge", and a 4-page story, "Only One May Live!", both in Gunsmoke Western #59. The following month, August 1960, they started their first major collaboration, the new Rawhide Kid, in issue #17. |
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 20, 2020 15:56:27 GMT -5
I just spent some time with GCD's Advanced Search. That Young Allies issue has two chapters scripted by Stan, where Kirby drew the first page of each chapter. That just barely counts as a collaboration. The first story credited as "script: Stan Lee; pencils: Jack Kirby" is "I Fought the Molten Man-Thing" in Tales of Suspense #7, January 1960. But I have doubts about that. There are plenty of other stories in the same genre around that time that have Larry Lieber scripting from Stan's plots. And the GCD index doesn't mention the source of the script credit on this story. The earliest unambiguous Lee-Kirby collaboration is a 4-page backup story, "Dance or Draw, Tenderfoot!" in Two-Gun Kid #54, June 1960. It's unambiguous because the story carries Stan's, Jack's and inker Dick Ayers' signatures. The following month they did a 3-page story, "The Stallion's Revenge", and a 4-page story, "Only One May Live!", both in Gunsmoke Western #59. The following month, August 1960, they started their first major collaboration, the new Rawhide Kid, in issue #17. I respectfully disagree that collaboration is based on time and the amount of material, but so be it. At any rate, point is it that Lee and Kirby had a prior history before Fantastic Four, which I felt was worth pointing out nonetheless. Anyway, of course I felt to mention the first time Spider-Man met Luke Cage back in 1973’s Amazing Spider-Man #123:  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 20, 2020 17:39:22 GMT -5
The JLA meets the JSA in Justice League of America 21. (The only time J'onn J'onzz got to go, and he has to peek over everybody's shoulder like a chess club kid trying to fit in with the jocks at a high school dance.)   |
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 20, 2020 20:46:31 GMT -5
I would think there would be Tales of, Tales to or Strange before 1960 that Stan and Jack did.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 20, 2020 21:28:15 GMT -5
I would think there would be Tales of, Tales to or Strange before 1960 that Stan and Jack did. Their cooperation at Marvel from 1958-1961 was pretty much them throwing as much as they could at the wall and see what stuck, particularly with monster books, including thinking of names which they tended to reuse:  |
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Post by Rob Allen on Apr 21, 2020 13:19:42 GMT -5
I just spent some time with GCD's Advanced Search. That Young Allies issue has two chapters scripted by Stan, where Kirby drew the first page of each chapter. That just barely counts as a collaboration. The first story credited as "script: Stan Lee; pencils: Jack Kirby" is "I Fought the Molten Man-Thing" in Tales of Suspense #7, January 1960. But I have doubts about that. There are plenty of other stories in the same genre around that time that have Larry Lieber scripting from Stan's plots. And the GCD index doesn't mention the source of the script credit on this story. The earliest unambiguous Lee-Kirby collaboration is a 4-page backup story, "Dance or Draw, Tenderfoot!" in Two-Gun Kid #54, June 1960. It's unambiguous because the story carries Stan's, Jack's and inker Dick Ayers' signatures. The following month they did a 3-page story, "The Stallion's Revenge", and a 4-page story, "Only One May Live!", both in Gunsmoke Western #59. The following month, August 1960, they started their first major collaboration, the new Rawhide Kid, in issue #17. I respectfully disagree that collaboration is based on time and the amount of material, but so be it. At any rate, point is it that Lee and Kirby had a prior history before Fantastic Four, which I felt was worth pointing out nonetheless. Oh yes, they had a long prior history, starting when Stan was just out of high school and got a job as a gofer for Joe Simon. He started out filling Kirby's inkwell and bringing them lunch. I too was surprised to find that Lee & Kirby didn't work closely on any stories before 1960. There are a lot of "monster-of-the-month" stories in 1958-61 that were scripted by Larry from Stan's plots. Kirby was still doing his newspaper strip at that point. In fact, Kirby hired Dick Ayers to ink the strip when Wally Wood left because he liked the way Ayers inked the stories he was doing for Marvel. Ayers told Jack that Marvel was going to revive the Rawhide Kid title just before Jack went in to the office. Apparently Jack pitched some ideas and Stan decided to work with him on the book. Ayers was a bit miffed; he'd been in line to draw it. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 21, 2020 13:50:06 GMT -5
The Atom "meets" Hawkman for the first time in Atom 7, July '63.  |
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Post by berkley on Apr 21, 2020 14:36:12 GMT -5
First I ever noticed that Hawkman is supposed to operate in "Midway City" - was that meant to be in the American mid-west, or something along those lines?
Also the first time I've seen such an early Catwoman appearance - I like the character design in Batman #2, has it ever inspired any later artist to go back to it? Someone should give it a try.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 21, 2020 15:11:00 GMT -5
First I ever noticed that Hawkman is supposed to operate in "Midway City" - was that meant to be in the American mid-west, or something along those lines? I always took it as an allusion to Chicago and Midway Airport. |
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