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Post by profh0011 on Apr 24, 2020 18:13:04 GMT -5
^^ Now that's REALLY COOL!!!!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 24, 2020 18:33:58 GMT -5
Compare historical inserts of comics between Thomas & Moore is apple's & oranges & impossible. Different times & different buyers & differences in what could or would draw in readers. Thomas was great for his day to include history/educate readers & still entertain with heroes/villains. If he didn't break omic book barriers with Conan & his WW II stuff Moore could never write what he did. Okay. One more time. I LIKED what Roy did. I LOVE history. I LOVED that he tied together the various ages. That is GOOD, AFAIC. I just said that I wish he would have done more of it on text pages instead of jamming it into every panel of every page. His stories would have flowed better. I love the first two years of Arak because of that! But then the cramming became sort of obvious. “Oh, look, Sheherazade and Sinbad the sailor, barely disguised!”
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 24, 2020 20:32:49 GMT -5
Okay. One more time. I LIKED what Roy did. I LOVE history. I LOVED that he tied together the various ages. That is GOOD, AFAIC. I just said that I wish he would have done more of it on text pages instead of jamming it into every panel of every page. His stories would have flowed better. I love the first two years of Arak because of that! But then the cramming became sort of obvious. “Oh, look, Sheherazade and Sinbad the sailor, barely disguised!” THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 24, 2020 21:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by beccabear67 on Apr 25, 2020 12:58:51 GMT -5
So... if Mentor's craft hadn't appeared (was it the UFO mentioned), Moondragon's parents wouldn't have died? Starlin was not so great at drawing little kids was he?
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 26, 2020 0:56:31 GMT -5
So... if Mentor's craft hadn't appeared (was it the UFO mentioned), Moondragon's parents wouldn't have died? Starlin was not so great at drawing little kids was he? My interpretation was the craft coincidentally saw Heather just after the crash, though I could still totally understand that interpretation. Anyway, felt like mentioning the Vision, whose origin I find more interesting than the Silver Age Vision’s:
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 26, 2020 7:17:54 GMT -5
Is that baby Thanos? I’m surprised to learn that he’d be that young; I thought he must have been several hundred years old. The dude must have been really busy in his formative years! (Also... did he turn purple after throwing a really intense tantrum?)
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 26, 2020 10:21:36 GMT -5
Is that baby Thanos? I’m surprised to learn that he’d be that young; I thought he must have been several hundred years old. The dude must have been really busy in his formative years! (Also... did he turn purple after throwing a really intense tantrum?) I think some details had changed, but what is usually said to have been Thanos’ past is that his mother was shocked with him and tried to kill him. He raises children of his own, but feel unfulfilled, and it’s when he develops a fascination with death and tries to impress the embodiment of Death that he kills them. He then gathers armies which leads to even more killings.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 26, 2020 11:26:21 GMT -5
Despite my longtime fascination with Jim Starlin's early work, I never got my hands on that DD issue. Thanks for posting those pages! Sadly, Don Heck's inks on it are MURDEROUS. He & Mike Esposito seemed to be in a competition around that time for who could do worse ink jobs.
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Post by electricmastro on May 1, 2020 2:53:09 GMT -5
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Post by Prince Hal on May 1, 2020 4:27:00 GMT -5
^^ There’s also a bit of the Shadow in there, too. Several secret identities, a team of operatives, a dollop of mystic mumbo jumbo.
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Post by electricmastro on May 2, 2020 0:54:32 GMT -5
Going back to the Spectre for a moment, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that while many 1940s hero origins could be accused of being too “of its time,” I think there’s probably a fair argument to be made that the Spectre’s origin is too ahead of its time, considering how it invokes concepts such as spirituality, divine intervention, God, and so on and so forth. It can seem pretty simple when one explains it like “a spirit comes back from the dead to avenge someone,” and Siegel himself probably thought of it in basic terms as well, but how he frames the entire thing could still definitely invoke more than what he might have originally intended like I mentioned, and that most writers of the time probably either couldn’t fully wrap their heads around it or flesh it out in such a way that they do it justice. In that respect, he’s probably more at home being better served post-crisis than he ever was pre-crisis.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 2, 2020 20:09:54 GMT -5
Spider-Man is the best origin imo, timeless, resonates with the reader, makes sense, and can be told and retold in different eras without changing the important bits. Iron Man is a close 2nd.
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Post by electricmastro on May 5, 2020 11:11:43 GMT -5
In regards to cowboy characters, I find it interesting that Jonah Hex seems to widely be celebrated as a hero, even by respectable comic book fans, even though part of his origin involves him being a soldier for the slave-driving, greedy, selfish agenda-driven Confederacy. I suppose that’s a sign of good writing and character development (Weird Western Tales #29, July 1975).
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Post by brutalis on May 5, 2020 13:21:02 GMT -5
Jonah Hex rises above the crop of most western comic heroes. He isn't a caricature or stereotype of what everyone "believes" a Confederate soldier should be or the typically heroic ideal. He is a product of his times, after enduring a destructive war he strives for rising above the hardships and difficulties of his life. While trying to just survive and find his way, he makes a choice to "hunt" the evil and bad in his world (even though for bounty/money) and often times against his own better judgement he actually gets involved in doing the right thing and helping folks he comes across in his adventures. So yes indeed, that is the product of good writing and character development!
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