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Post by electricmastro on Apr 23, 2020 17:01:49 GMT -5
Hero origins that tend to resonate with you over others. For example, the kinds of hero origins that stick out to me include reincarnation, like with Hawkman, or trained sorcery, like with Doctor Fate. The concept of a spirit coming back from the dead to avenge someone, like with the Spectre, interests me as well. Basically, any origin that resembles anything magical/spiritual/supernatural is likely to catch my attention.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 23, 2020 17:44:08 GMT -5
Hero origins that tend to resonate with you over others. For example, the kinds of hero origins that stick out to me include reincarnation, like with Hawkman, or trained sorcery, like with Doctor Fate. The concept of a spirit coming back from the dead to avenge someone, like with the Spectre, interests me as well. Basically, any origin that resembles anything magical/spiritual/supernatural is likely to catch my attention. I like a good old-fashioned magical and mysterious origin story in which an ordinary citizen is suddenly exposed to a new, mystical world (like the Original Green Lantern’s). What was that lady who got super-powers in The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay? Luna Moth or something? I thought her origin was neat.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 23, 2020 17:51:56 GMT -5
Ilike a good old-fashioned magical and mysterious origin story in which an ordinary citizen is suddenly exposed to a new, mystical world (like the Original Green Lantern’s). I’m usually not a fan of a character becoming a hero simply by finding an item, though I did like how the fantastical mythology was built up behind the Green Lantern ring and opened up to various possibilities of what the ring could do.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 23, 2020 17:53:21 GMT -5
I don't really think I have a specific type; more that I'm drawn to ones that are well fleshed out or tell a good story.
Alien child sent to Earth to save it from his home planet's doom, found by kindly couple, raised as their own son and instilled with solid values and a desire to use his gifts to help others.
Tragic child, parents murdered before his eyes becomes plunged into years of training and studying to become good enough to seek justice for the decay and corruption of his city.
Warrior princess, raised as the only child to a race of immortals, defies her mother's wishes and secretly enters a tournament to determine a champion to send to a troubled world.
A police scientist is working his lab and is blown back by a lightning strike into chemicals, the combination of which gives him speed beyond imagination.
A test pilot is bequeathed an alien weapons and asked to take over as the protector of a sector of space, joining an intergalactic peace-keeping corps.
A teenager is gifted strange powers and uses them selfishly, leading to tragedy and spends the rest of his life trying to atone for that mistake.
A sickly young man desperate to fight the bullies of the world volunteers for an experiment that turns him into a physical marvel, to match the selfless desire in his heart.
A tech genius uses his skills to create a device to keep himself alive and weaponizes it to escape from evil men. He then continues using it to help others.
A team of explorers, some family, rocket off into space to see what is there and are forever changed.
The good ones can be summed up in a sentence or two, yet can be told again and again, updating for new generations and still resonate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 18:01:05 GMT -5
I prefer the varied and unusual origins of the 30s & 40s over the 60s.
I prefer DC's varied origins in the 50s/60s over Marvel's radiation based origins in the 60s.
In the 90s McFarlane's Spawn's origins was the most interesting of the Image titles.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 23, 2020 18:09:03 GMT -5
The good ones can be summed up in a sentence or two, yet can be told again and again, updating for new generations and still resonate. Very true! That’s probably the main gripe I had about the DC heroes, post-Crisis, when partial undoing of the reboot made origins nigh impossible to understand to new readers (Supergirl and Hawkman come to mind).
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Post by beccabear67 on Apr 23, 2020 19:43:41 GMT -5
I guess my favorite origins would be silver age Green Lantern (conscripted into galactic space police force), silver age Hawkman (police detective from another planet on exchange), and the X-Men (mutations with freakish powers that make others very uneasy).
I've never really been happy with any of the 'destined to pick up magical object' varieties, or it just being totally random which might even be worse. I definitely took Mrgana LeFaye's point of view in relation to Arthur... "all he did was show up and it's handed to him!" I like the idea of a meritocracy of some kind... so I prefer the Thanagarian Hawkman over the Kryptonian Superman story as Supes had no choice or merit in coming here. Not that the powers handed to them person can't go on to earn respect and esteem however. Batman, Captain America, The Huntress, Hawkeye, Green Arrow, Black Widow, Black Canary... they all have to work really hard to be able to do the things they do. Superman, (original) Supergirl, Sub-Mariner, Aquaman were just born that way, The Flash and Spider-Man had accidents they didn't have any control of.
The X-Men were similarly born that way and didn't really have to do anything to make it into their school except not be bad. Maybe it could've been a very different comic if they had to earn their place; John Houseman as Professor X?
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 23, 2020 20:25:20 GMT -5
Alien child sent to Earth to save it from his home planet's doom, found by kindly couple, raised as their own son and instilled with solid values and a desire to use his gifts to help others. I indeed also find it cool if the origin happens to involve an alien going to another planet, and how much could potentially be done to interestingly expand upon that, with heroes like: Magician from Mars: Solarman: Sub-Zero:
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 23, 2020 21:09:44 GMT -5
Nothing beats the origin of Spider-man. His non involvement in a robbery comes back to destroy his world.
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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 23, 2020 23:48:30 GMT -5
Nothing beats the origin of Spider-man. His non involvement in a robbery comes back to destroy his world. It used to seem weird to me that Spider-Man debuted in a title such as Amazing Fantasy. I guess it's not so strange considering the fact that at the time, Marvel didn't have anywhere else to try him out, but it's recently occurred to me that by introducing him in a series known for its twist endings, Spider-Man actually benefited from the association. Those Tales to Astonish, Amazing Fantasy, Tales of Suspense, etc. titles were known for their shocking last page/panel revelations and by placing Spider-Man's origin in such a location, that whole "oh no, the criminal I let get away - he's my Uncle's killer!" twist was pretty much mandatory in a way it might not have been had Spider-Man first appeared in, say, Amazing Spider-Man #1 or Fantastic Four #6 or whatever.
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Post by electricmastro on Apr 24, 2020 1:15:34 GMT -5
Nothing beats the origin of Spider-man. His non involvement in a robbery comes back to destroy his world. My preference for more fantastical origins aside, I can still definitely appreciate that sort of origin for it’s moral, character-driven value.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 24, 2020 7:13:46 GMT -5
Depending on the type of story one wants to tell, I also greatly enjoy characters without an origin.
Conan: a yokel who wanted to leave his boring hometown and see the big cities.
Turok: a hunter who got lost in an interesting place.
Sgt. Fury and Sgt. Rock: ordinary Joes who went to war.
Corto Maltese: a wanderlust-addicted fellow with lots of colourful friends.
I find that such characters lose a lot of their appeal when someone decides to make them more “special” by tacking on some extra baggage that makes them less realistic.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 24, 2020 8:56:24 GMT -5
(...) Conan: a yokel who wanted to leave his boring hometown and see the big cities. (...) I'm sure it's been said before, but the biggest mistake made in the Conan movies, both the first Arnie one and the more recent Aquaman one, is that they tell an origin story - specifically an Inigo Montaya 'you killed my father, prepare to die' origin. Conan doesn't need an origin, and we don't need to understand his deeper motivations. All we need to know is that he's a swashbuckling sword for hire who hates sorcerers.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 24, 2020 9:23:20 GMT -5
(...) Conan: a yokel who wanted to leave his boring hometown and see the big cities. (...) I'm sure it's been said before, but the biggest mistake made in the Conan movies, both the first Arnie one and the more recent Aquaman one, is that they tell an origin story - specifically an Inigo Montaya 'you killed my father, prepare to die' origin. Conan doesn't need an origin, and we don't need to understand his deeper motivations. All we need to know is that he's a swashbuckling sword for hire who hates sorcerers. Words of wisdom!
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Post by rberman on Apr 24, 2020 10:32:33 GMT -5
The X-Men were similarly born that way and didn't really have to do anything to make it into their school except not be bad. Maybe it could've been a very different comic if they had to earn their place; John Houseman as Professor X? The "school" aspect of Xavier's never got explored adequately. Clearly there were way more mutant kids in America than he ever sought out. In Ann Nocenti's Beauty and the Beast mini-series (1984), the character Lucy was said to have flunked out of Xavier's school. Were Grant Morrison and Joss Whedon the first X-authors to treat Xavier's as an actual school that would have substantial enrollment, facilities, faculty, student life issues, etc?
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