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Post by brutalis on May 18, 2020 16:58:49 GMT -5
Powerful and emotional images by Rockwell. Thanks for sharing Prince Hal!!! |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 18, 2020 17:02:14 GMT -5
Powerful and emotional images by Rockwell. Thanks for sharing Prince Hal !!! Yes. It’s as if Disney had done animated cartoons about the murder of Fred Hampton and the My Lai Massacre. |
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Post by MDG on May 18, 2020 17:05:59 GMT -5
^^^^ Yeah--even before the 60s, while not controversial, Rockwell was anything but bland. He was a very skilled observer and masterful composer. In March, my son and i went to the local museum where they have an original. Pretty amazing how he envisioned this with a big blank section in the middle and all of the action at the edges.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 17:17:28 GMT -5
Gil Kane's biceps and quadriceps often look like they aren't attached to their joints properly at one end, like the muscles are twisted out of place.
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Post by rberman on May 18, 2020 17:26:28 GMT -5
David Mack’s surreal watercolors: Kabuki #8 (Image Comics - June 1999):  I read Kabuki for the first time this year. Very impressive! Also incredibly difficult to read at non-treasury size due to my aging eyes and his frequent use of small, low-contrast text. I was thinking about writing a series of issue reviews, but it seems like a lot of work too. It's like Alan Moore writing for Bill Sienkiewicz without any deadline constraints on either story or art. |
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Post by electricmastro on May 18, 2020 17:49:01 GMT -5
I admire Rockwell's craft and technique but the content and "Leave it to Beaver" sort of blandness of his paintings rubs me the wrong way. Alec Ross I just can't stand at all. His heroes look smug and preening to me rather than genuinely superior. Very rarely do I see anything by Ross that works for me, even a little bit. There was a Wonder Woman cover someone posted recently in another thread that wasn't bad - I meant to comment on it since I almost never see anything I can even stand by this artist. I admit Ross’ work can at times come off as too static and pretentious, but it can really pay off in having profound imagery if you ask me. Universe X #0 (September 2000):  Superman Adventures #58 (August 2001):  Battle of the Planets #3 (October 2002):  Black Adam: The Dark Age #1 (October, 2007):  |
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Post by badwolf on May 18, 2020 18:58:28 GMT -5
Gil Kane's "wing" hairdos:
and the fact that he used the same line weight for everything in the drawings.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 18, 2020 19:36:33 GMT -5
Gil Kane's "wing" hairdos:
and the fact that he used the same line weight for everything in the drawings.
That was a legit hairstyle, in the 70s. Many the male that spent hours with comb and blow dryer trying to achieve it. Personally, I preferred my hair shorter and with less fuss, which is why I didn't mind military haircuts, in college. |
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2020 20:02:52 GMT -5
My brother and I went to the Norman Rockwell show when it came to the Tacoma Art Museum a few years back. I've been a lifelong Rockwell fan--my parents gave me a 3-volume collection of his Saturday Evening Post covers back in college--but even so I was amazed at how powerful the original paintings are. An incredible artist.
And for the record, I love Alex Ross' work.
Cei-U!
I summon the past master!
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Post by electricmastro on May 18, 2020 20:19:35 GMT -5
Making the original Justice League look profound is great too:  |
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Post by tarkintino on May 19, 2020 4:53:03 GMT -5
I admire Rockwell's craft and technique but the content and "Leave it to Beaver" sort of blandness of his paintings rubs me the wrong way. Alec Ross I just can't stand at all. His heroes look smug and preening to me rather than genuinely superior. Very rarely do I see anything by Ross that works for me, even a little bit. There was a Wonder Woman cover someone posted recently in another thread that wasn't bad - I meant to comment on it since I almost never see anything I can even stand by this artist. Agreed about Ross. A little of that goes a very long way. They do look smug, like they're all doing us a favor. Ross' characters never take on the appearance of being smug; he's capturing the heart of their larger-than-life, mythical (particulariy with DC) presence, hence he reason his work had such a massive impact with comic fans and even those who did not collect comics. Larger than life has an immediate appeal; they are superheroes, after all, not John and Jane Q. Public, and Ross tapped into what that means better than innumerable comic artists, who often just filled panels with "typical" comic art. Although the medium is not new to painters adapting what was traditionally line art (Wilson, Larkin, Barr, Kaluta, Norem, Atkins, et al.), the superhero never (to this degree) enjoyed this kind of powerful, "living" appearance as paintings. I find his superheroes better at delivering the heart of who those characters were/are and their legacies than a great number of the actors (more like check-collectors) who have starred in superhero films of the past 20 years. They should have had the advantage of bringing comic characters to life (obviously) in a way no illustration or painting could...but that's not the case here. |
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Post by tarkintino on May 19, 2020 4:54:44 GMT -5
I admire Rockwell's craft and technique but the content and "Leave it to Beaver" sort of blandness of his paintings rubs me the wrong way. Alec Ross I just can't stand at all. His heroes look smug and preening to me rather than genuinely superior. Very rarely do I see anything by Ross that works for me, even a little bit. There was a Wonder Woman cover someone posted recently in another thread that wasn't bad - I meant to comment on it since I almost never see anything I can even stand by this artist. I admit Ross’ work can at times come off as too static and pretentious, but it can really pay off in having profound imagery if you ask me. Universe X #0 (September 2000): Superman Adventures #58 (August 2001): Battle of the Planets #3 (October 2002): Black Adam: The Dark Age #1 (October, 2007): Outstanding. |
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Post by tarkintino on May 19, 2020 4:57:41 GMT -5
^^^^ Yeah--even before the 60s, while not controversial, Rockwell was anything but bland. Agreed. |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 19, 2020 9:06:43 GMT -5
Agreed about Ross. A little of that goes a very long way. They do look smug, like they're all doing us a favor. Ross' characters never take on the appearance of being smug; he's capturing the heart of their larger-than-life, mythical (particularity with DC) presence, hence he reason his work had such a massive impact with comic fans and even those who did not collect comics. Larger than life has an immediate appeal; they are superheroes, after all, not John and Jane Q. Public, and Ross tapped into what that means better than innumerable comic artists, who often just filled panels with "typical" comic art. Although the medium is not new to painters adapting what was traditionally line art (Wilson, Larkin, Barr, Kaluta, Norem, Atkins, et al.), the superhero never (to this degree) enjoyed this kind of powerful, "living" appearance as paintings. I find his superheroes better at delivering the heart of who those characters were/are and their legacies than a great number of the actors (more like check-collectors) who have starred in superhero films of the past 20 years. They should have had the advantage of bringing comic characters to life (obviously) in a way no illustration or painting could...but that's not the case here. Nope, in poses like those above, the expressions cross the line from larger than life to smug and disdainful. Don't get me wrong. I love larger than life, and fully agree that most actors just can't pull off that quality. Compare these poses to classic and Renaissance representations of the gods of classical mythology and Biblical figures. The David isn't smug. Impassive, proud, magisterial, yes, but not smug. I prefer their not noticing us and staring off beyond us -- like Michaelangelo's Moses, for example -- rather than looking down their noses at us. Their concerns are greater than ours, but super-heroes shouldn't feel the need to let us know that we're not in their league. |
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Post by rberman on May 19, 2020 9:32:03 GMT -5
There's definitely a rock star quality to the attitude in Ross' work, on purpose, since he's cueing off of modern examples like Queen more than classical ones like Michaelangelo.  |
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