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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 14:44:31 GMT -5
I would love to see a decently made superhero movie set in the Golden Age as the first Captain America was. Superheroes "work" so well in that era. Nostalgia, low-tech and retro design only add to the fun. (Nazis help, too, as we know from Indiana Jones.) Tell me a movie based on Byrne's Batman-Captain America one-shot couldn't be exciting and fun. If Disney and AT&T/Warner can't get on the same page to agree on creative control and revenue splits for a printed comic book project, chances of them doing it for a high revenue project like this are slim to none. They will look at splitting revenue and ask-why are we settling for half when we could just do our properties and get it all? Would a cross-over movie do at least double the box office a one company super-hero movie would? Would it do double the licensing revenue as well? Double to home video sales? It would have to do at least that much to satisfy suits, accountants, and shareholders if they had to split revenues, before they could even begin discussing logistics of creative control, how to split screen time between properties, how to handle scenes where one or the other company's characters would outshine or be shown to be less spectacular than the others. etc. etc. etc. At the end of their past cross-over there were issues that couldn't be decided when it was just 2 people in the room trying to decide it, put that in the committee approach to Hollywood films, and I would put money on a Bollywood musical X-Men movie coming out before I would a DC/Marvel cross-over movie. As a fan, it would be great. As a realist. Ain't ever going to happen. -M |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2020 14:55:37 GMT -5
I would love to see a decently made superhero movie set in the Golden Age as the first Captain America was. Superheroes "work" so well in that era. Nostalgia, low-tech and retro design only add to the fun. (Nazis help, too, as we know from Indiana Jones.) Tell me a movie based on Byrne's Batman-Captain America one-shot couldn't be exciting and fun. If Disney and AT&T/Warner can't get on the same page to agree on creative control and revenue splits for a printed comic book project, chances of them doing it for a high revenue project like this are slim to none. They will look at splitting revenue and ask-why are we settling for half when we could just do our properties and get it all? Would a cross-over movie do at least double the box office a one company super-hero movie would? Would it do double the licensing revenue as well? Double to home video sales? It would have to do at least that much to satisfy suits, accountants, and shareholders if they had to split revenues, before they could even begin discussing logistics of creative control, how to split screen time between properties, how to handle scenes where one or the other company's characters would outshine or be shown to be less spectacular than the others. etc. etc. etc. At the end of their past cross-over there were issues that couldn't be decided when it was just 2 people in the room trying to decide it, put that in the committee approach to Hollywood films, and I would put money on a Bollywood musical X-Men movie coming out before I would a DC/Marvel cross-over movie. As a fan, it would be great. As a realist. Ain't ever going to happen. -M Well, it wasn't a pitch, just an example of the kind of angst-free adventure movie that might actually be fun. I hadn't given a thought to who owned what. How about a Batman movie set in 1940s Gotham? Or does another company own Gotham City?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 22:04:50 GMT -5
If Disney and AT&T/Warner can't get on the same page to agree on creative control and revenue splits for a printed comic book project, chances of them doing it for a high revenue project like this are slim to none. They will look at splitting revenue and ask-why are we settling for half when we could just do our properties and get it all? Would a cross-over movie do at least double the box office a one company super-hero movie would? Would it do double the licensing revenue as well? Double to home video sales? It would have to do at least that much to satisfy suits, accountants, and shareholders if they had to split revenues, before they could even begin discussing logistics of creative control, how to split screen time between properties, how to handle scenes where one or the other company's characters would outshine or be shown to be less spectacular than the others. etc. etc. etc. At the end of their past cross-over there were issues that couldn't be decided when it was just 2 people in the room trying to decide it, put that in the committee approach to Hollywood films, and I would put money on a Bollywood musical X-Men movie coming out before I would a DC/Marvel cross-over movie. As a fan, it would be great. As a realist. Ain't ever going to happen. -M Well, it wasn't a pitch, just an example of the kind of angst-free adventure movie that might actually be fun. I hadn't given a thought to who owned what. How about a Batman movie set in 1940s Gotham? Or does another company own Gotham City? Hey I'd love to see that movie, so no aspersions being cast about the pitch/non-pitch, I've just learned over the years to temper my expectations about media and publishing, and to not even give a glimmer of expectation to something that doesn't make absolute financial sense for the companies involved because it just leads to disappointment and too many self-made disappointments from unrealistic expectations for me sucks every ounce of joy out of a hobby. I learned the hard way from pitching products when I was freelancing in the tabletop rpg industry when just about every other answer I got was "love the idea, it sounds like it would be a fun supplement. Won't make money though so forget about it." Or "that's great, but we could cobble this cliche played out thing together instead and make 3 times to the money so we aren't going to commit any resources to that kind of idea because we could make more money doing something else." So playing the I wish they would or how about game while knowing there's not a snowball's chance of it ever happening is like rubbing salt in the wounds. It's just a reminder that fun products and cool products have no interest to them, only revenue generating projects. And while there may be people at companies who are the exception to that, they are not usually the ones in decision-making roles. -M |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2020 22:44:13 GMT -5
Well, it wasn't a pitch, just an example of the kind of angst-free adventure movie that might actually be fun. I hadn't given a thought to who owned what. How about a Batman movie set in 1940s Gotham? Or does another company own Gotham City? Hey I'd love to see that movie, so no aspersions being cast about the pitch/non-pitch, I've just learned over the years to temper my expectations about media and publishing, and to not even give a glimmer of expectation to something that doesn't make absolute financial sense for the companies involved because it just leads to disappointment and too many self-made disappointments from unrealistic expectations for me sucks every ounce of joy out of a hobby. I learned the hard way from pitching products when I was freelancing in the tabletop rpg industry when just about every other answer I got was "love the idea, it sounds like it would be a fun supplement. Won't make money though so forget about it." Or "that's great, but we could cobble this cliche played out thing together instead and make 3 times to the money so we aren't going to commit any resources to that kind of idea because we could make more money doing something else." So playing the I wish they would or how about game while knowing there's not a snowball's chance of it ever happening is like rubbing salt in the wounds. It's just a reminder that fun products and cool products have no interest to them, only revenue generating projects. And while there may be people at companies who are the exception to that, they are not usually the ones in decision-making roles. -M Oh, I know you weren't casting aspersions. I probably should have made clearer that my idea was more of a pipe dream than anything. The original Star Wars ( A New Hope) was such a revelation because it seemed to have just the right mix of what was then high-tech filmmaking and the kind of slapdash, "let's make a movie" style that made it exciting. But, ironically, it was too much to hope for (sorry) that what made SW unique would not be packaged, formula-ized and homogenized. Return of the Jedi was proof. I probably sound like I'm warning kids off my lawn, but although there are moments in say, Avengers: Endgame that were great fun for a comics fan, they are outweighed by the overindulgence in CGI and the relentlessly oppressive tone. Meanwhile, the first Captain America movie, The Rocketeer and The Phantom, and even The Shadow caught the spirit of comics far better than almost every one of the recent spate of comics-based movies. And of course, you're right. Unless there are guaranteed mega-bucks, we'll never see a different take on comics movies. |
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Post by brutalis on May 29, 2020 7:45:43 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the first Captain America movie, The Rocketeer and The Phantom, and even The Shadow caught the spirit of comics far better than almost every one of the recent spate of comics-based movies. You just named 4 of the very best comic book movies ever made sir! I salute you and your good taste in film watching Now go get a haircut and shave would ya? Your avatar is looking scraggly from self isolation... |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 29, 2020 9:30:55 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the first Captain America movie, The Rocketeer and The Phantom, and even The Shadow caught the spirit of comics far better than almost every one of the recent spate of comics-based movies. You just named 4 of the very best comic book movies ever made sir! I salute you and your good taste in film watching Now go get a haircut and shave would ya? Your avatar is looking scraggly from self isolation... Have to gun up and put on my camo to do that up here in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. |
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Post by Batflunkie on May 29, 2020 9:59:47 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the first Captain America movie, The Rocketeer and The Phantom, and even The Shadow caught the spirit of comics far better than almost every one of the recent spate of comics-based movies. It's been ages since I watched any of those, but you're entirely correct. I think it would honestly be impossible to capture that feeling these days with everyone trying to wholesale knock-off Marvel movies, but I feel like Shazam! came pretty close |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 29, 2020 10:11:45 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the first Captain America movie, The Rocketeer and The Phantom, and even The Shadow caught the spirit of comics far better than almost every one of the recent spate of comics-based movies. It's been ages since I watched any of those, but you're entirely correct. I think it would honestly be impossible to capture that feeling these days with everyone trying to wholesale knock-off Marvel movies, but I feel like Shazam! came pretty close I haven't seen that, but I'm happy to hear that. I somehow forgot to mention Wonder Woman, which I enjoyed quite a bit; the acting was fine for this kind of movie, particualrly Gal Gadot's, and again, the setting helped immensely. It's easily my favorite of the DC movies. |
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