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Post by sabongero on Jul 2, 2020 16:38:53 GMT -5
I was just watching youtube videos of professional wrestling where some heels made "face turns" and became a heroic wrestling character. I know there was another thread where it was the vice versa of this thread. Heroes behaving badly.
I believe there was the time I read online I believe during Wieringo's run that Dr. Doom saved Reed and Sue's daughter Victoria. And there was a time in the 1980's where Magneto assumed Charles Xavier's role of elderly wise leader of the Uncanny X-Men during his absence. And currently reading the West Coast Avengers, there was a heroic Ultron that sacrificed itself for Hank Pym's life.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 2, 2020 17:03:49 GMT -5
Doctor Doom teamed up with Spider-Man, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Moondragon in a multi-part story from Marvel Team-Up, though any heroics were a matter of circumstance.  |
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Post by brutalis on Jul 2, 2020 17:23:46 GMT -5
Going to become quite a list as Villain turns Hero is an age old tale in mythology on into comic books.
There are plenty of Doom being "benevolent" and working towards the "good" based upon his own desires and/or reasons. Probably too many to cont.
Sandman actually turned hero and was made an Avengers Reservist for awhile before being reverted to criminal villain once more.
Lex Luthor falls under the whole "does good" when it is to his benefit, the same as Doom.
Magneto bounces back and forth as needed for storylines.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch started out as villains alongside "unknown at the time daddy" Magneto in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants before becoming Avengers.
Hawkeye began as a "villain" against Iron Man but turned his life around. Same for his "partner in crime" Black Widow.
Does Silver Surfer qualify as he herald to Galactus he helped his Master devour entire inhabited worlds.
Galactus too starts as "enemy/villain/force of cosmos" and occasionally does good deeds.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 2, 2020 17:32:04 GMT -5
Black Adam has been the equivalent of Jerry Lawler, turning face and heel on several occasions.
The Shade was turned babyface in Starman, as he opposes the Mist's reign of terror at the start of the James Robinson series and stands with Jack throughout, even risking himself to rescue the lost folks from the demon dimension, when they passed through the poster portal.
Of course, Mark Waid made two parallel series about this, Irredeemable, where the hero turns rogue, and Inconceivable, where a minor villain switches sides to balance the scales.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 17:42:10 GMT -5
IIRC, the early '90s miniseries Venom: Lethal Protector moved Venom to the West Coast, where, away from the object of his obsession, he tried to do some good, in his own psychotic way. For all I know, this has been his status quo since - I haven't kept up.
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Post by profh0011 on Jul 2, 2020 18:14:47 GMT -5
My favorite is one I just saw for the first time last week. It's an episode of "BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD", "Game Over For Owlman", the 2nd half of a 2-parter. For anyone who's never seen this show, it's completely insane. It's like a tribute to Gardner Fox's "JLA" on double-steroids. Every episode, Batman teams with another hero (or two, or more), all in adventures completely out of his weight-class, things he should NEVER, EVER be involved with... except, he's popular, so, it's his show. (It's a little bit like the 2nd & 3rd seasons of "SPIDER-MAN" when Ralph Bakshi, Lin Carter & Gray Morrow took over, but with a MUCH-bigger budget and far more excitement and fun.)
In this one, Batman confronts Owlman, a villain from an alternate Earth. After imprisoning him in the Batcave, he uses the guy's dimensional device to travel to Owlman's Earth, which has been taken over by The Injustice Society, all funhouse mirror duplicates of the JLA. His only ally is The Red Hood, who helps him free all the other heroes and defeat the bad guys. At the end of part 1, he tells them he'll be sending Owlman back as soon as he gets home. But when he returns to Gotham City... 3 weeks have gone by, and the cops have a warrant out for HIS arrest!
It seems Owlman escaped, impersonated Batman, and began a crime wave. Now, not only are the cops out to nab him, ALL THE HEROES he teamed up with in previous episodes are as well. Not one of them is smart enough to figure out it's an imposter behind the crime wave. Just before he's almost captured, Batman is rescued by................. The Joker. He deeply resents the idea that Batman has switched sides and is horning in on HIS action. But before long, Batman's convinced him of the truth... and Joker proposes that HE help Batman take down Owlman. Reluctantly... he agrees. At which point Joker goes hog-wild enjoying himself and the idea of being on the side of GOOD!
For me, THE funniest bit is when they're involved in a high-speed car chase with 2 Batmobiles ("Good thing I keep a spare"-- it's the 1940s version). when Olwman suggests they join his side now, Joker grabs the radio and yells into it...
"WE DON'T MAKE DEALS WITH CRIMINAL SCUM!!!!!!"
Batman grabs the radio out of his hand and says... "Don't touch the radio."
Then he speaks into it in his usual deep deadpan voice...
"We don't make deals with criminal scum."
HILARIOUS!!!
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Post by sabongero on Jul 2, 2020 18:15:25 GMT -5
Going to become quite a list as Villain turns Hero is an age old tale in mythology on into comic books. There are plenty of Doom being "benevolent" and working towards the "good" based upon his own desires and/or reasons. Probably too many to cont. Sandman actually turned hero and was made an Avengers Reservist for awhile before being reverted to criminal villain once more. Lex Luthor falls under the whole "does good" when it is to his benefit, the same as Doom. Magneto bounces back and forth as needed for storylines. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch started out as villains alongside "unknown at the time daddy" Magneto in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants before becoming Avengers. Hawkeye began as a "villain" against Iron Man but turned his life around. Same for his "partner in crime" Black Widow. Does Silver Surfer qualify as he herald to Galactus he helped his Master devour entire inhabited worlds. Galactus too starts as "enemy/villain/force of cosmos" and occasionally does good deeds. Wow! I almost forgot about the Silver Surfer being a diabolical super-villain, well not diabolically, but nonetheless responsible for billions of deaths from devoured worlds. |
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Post by brutalis on Jul 2, 2020 20:02:24 GMT -5
More who walk both sides of the line crossing back and forth:
Bat family seen lots of villains do a good turn...
Clayface
Catwoman
Killer Croc
Harley Quinn
Poison Ivy
Anarchy turned Azrael turned Batazrael
Riddler
Penguin
Mark Shaw Manhunter
Deathstroke the Terminator
An entire criminal whose who is forced into being the government's Suicide Squad
Swordsman became an Avenger
Shanghai Chi began life under Fu Manchus's tutelage/training becoming an assasin at Chu's order 'til rebelling against good ol' dad.
Nighthawk began as part of Squadron Sinister then went good even giving up his life but given another chance by Doc Strange, Subby (who has had his fair share of villainoys turns over the decades) & jade jaws giving Kyle some of their life energy.
GROOT was originally a monstrous alien tree seeking to conquer Earth.
Deathlok was a government project to create a new programmable killing machine to replace the Super Soldier ideal of Captain America. Instead Luther Manning defied his computer programming to help mankind.
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Post by rberman on Jul 2, 2020 20:34:50 GMT -5
X-Men foes turned allies include Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, juggernaut, Mystique, Rogue, Sabretooth, and Emma Frost.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 2, 2020 21:29:18 GMT -5
Magneto first turned "good" back in the '70s when Dr. Doom threatened to take over the world. Siper-Villain team-Up #14 and Champions #16. More recently The Thunderbolts team started as bad guys disguised as new heroes simply pretending to be good but then most of them decided to really make an attempt at it... and very fittingly Hawkeye who started out that was (alongside Black Widow) volunteered to lead and train them like Captain America had done with he, the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver starting with Avengers #16 way back. Done well it's a great plot foundation, full of are they sincere or not, will they succeed if they are sincere, making up for past evil deeds, etc. I never followed wrestling (maybe saw more in the '70s when my Grandfather would often have Stampede Wrestling or Maple Leaf Wrestling on our Canadian channels, but I herd about how El Santos for example would be a hero in Mexico but a baddie up here. My brother used to know Mad Dog Marretti a bit and he was a good guy in one province and a baddie in another... plus he was the successor to Mad Dog Vaschon. My Grandpa must've really believed things as I remember him getting upset and yelling at the tv for the distracted referee to turn around and see what the baddie was up to... I found that more entertainment than the shows!  |
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Post by sabongero on Jul 2, 2020 23:18:35 GMT -5
Would Norman Osborn as The Iron Patriot be considered a super-villain acting heroically until the facade was made public knowledge in the Marvel Universe that he was a super-villain all along, or am I misinterpreting that whole thing incorrectly after the first Marvel Civil War storyline?
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