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Post by berkley on Jul 19, 2020 23:01:57 GMT -5
Yes, for the most part I prefer Brunner inking himself. I meant he was an exception for me personally in that my single favourite piece of work by him was inked by someone else. And in fact, even on other occasions when Brunner was inked by Giordano it didn't look quite as good to my eyes as that one particular issue, DS#4, so it's an exception in every way.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 20, 2020 9:11:41 GMT -5
In the early days of the Tintin strip, Hergé used to do both penciling and inking. Later on he had assistants like Bob de Moore and the other artists at Studios Hergé, but a strip like The Blue Lotus from 1934 was drawn entirely by Hergé...    |
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 20, 2020 12:27:13 GMT -5
For European comics, pencil and inks is the norm.
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Post by MDG on Jul 20, 2020 12:42:48 GMT -5
For European comics, pencil and inks is the norm. Same as strip artists in the US--the caveat is that both these groups may use uncredited assistants.
The penciler/inker model is mainly to produce assembly-line product. And nothing wrong with that. But don't be disappointed if you don't get "art" at a page rate.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 20, 2020 13:11:27 GMT -5
For European comics, pencil and inks is the norm. Same as strip artists in the US--the caveat is that both these groups may use uncredited assistants.
The penciler/inker model is mainly to produce assembly-line product. And nothing wrong with that. But don't be disappointed if you don't get "art" at a page rate.
That's a serious caveat. With a lot of strip artists what you're getting from the signed artist is maybe the main figures. |
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Post by brianf on Jul 20, 2020 13:43:17 GMT -5
I've always been a fan of Gene Day - his MOKF run was epic  |
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 20, 2020 15:02:43 GMT -5
Herb Trimpe
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Post by berkley on Jul 20, 2020 15:21:36 GMT -5
Same as strip artists in the US--the caveat is that both these groups may use uncredited assistants.
The penciler/inker model is mainly to produce assembly-line product. And nothing wrong with that. But don't be disappointed if you don't get "art" at a page rate.
That's a serious caveat. With a lot of strip artists what you're getting from the signed artist is maybe the main figures. Which makes me wonder why the assembly-line comic books never thought of going a similar route with their star artists, i.e. using inkers specifically trained to imitate the style of the penciller. I know there are all kinds of historical and structural reasons why it didn't happen but I wonder why no one ever even thought of trying it. |
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Post by rberman on Jul 20, 2020 15:27:11 GMT -5
That's a serious caveat. With a lot of strip artists what you're getting from the signed artist is maybe the main figures. Which makes me wonder why the assembly-line comic books never thought of going a similar route with their star artists, i.e. using inkers specifically trained to imitate the style of the penciller. I know there are all kinds of historical and structural reasons why it didn't happen but I wonder why no one ever even thought of trying it. It happens some. Bob Wiacek’s inks on Paul Smith look a lot like Smith’s own inks. But the process mitigated against specific collaborations lasting for long stints. Getting the pages out the door every month was paramount. |
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 20, 2020 15:36:22 GMT -5
These days, I think a lot of artist can choose their inkers, or just do the art with them as a single assignment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:39:09 GMT -5
These days, I think a lot of artist can choose their inkers, or just do the art with them as a single assignment. or since a lot of work is done digitally now, it goes straight from pencils to the colorist bypassing the inking stage. -M |
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 20, 2020 15:40:10 GMT -5
That's a serious caveat. With a lot of strip artists what you're getting from the signed artist is maybe the main figures. Which makes me wonder why the assembly-line comic books never thought of going a similar route with their star artists, i.e. using inkers specifically trained to imitate the style of the penciller. I know there are all kinds of historical and structural reasons why it didn't happen but I wonder why no one ever even thought of trying it. I don't think the PTB cares about artistic purity. Plus some put the two together to compliment each other's strength and weaknesses. Look at the Buscema/Alcala duo, or Kane/Romita.
Or compare the Trimpe self inks above to the wonderful Trimpe/Severin paring.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 20, 2020 20:26:39 GMT -5
I've always been a fan of Gene Day - his MOKF run was epic I'm not much of a MOKF fan, but I've contemplated picking up just the Gene Day issues of the series for the artwork alone. I mean, I haven't, but the temptation is there. |
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Post by brianf on Jul 20, 2020 23:55:46 GMT -5
I've always been a fan of Gene Day - his MOKF run was epic I'm not much of a MOKF fan, but I've contemplated picking up just the Gene Day issues of the series for the artwork alone. I mean, I haven't, but the temptation is there. Not counting his inking work, his pencils are in MOKF 100, 102 -111, 114-118 & 120 Usually they're not too expensive. I love these comics. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 21, 2020 1:43:50 GMT -5
I'm not much of a MOKF fan, but I've contemplated picking up just the Gene Day issues of the series for the artwork alone. I mean, I haven't, but the temptation is there. Not counting his inking work, his pencils are in MOKF 100, 102 -111, 114-118 & 120 Usually they're not too expensive. I love these comics. Yeah, well worth picking up. And I think there's a very good chance that anyone who reads that entire Gene Day run will find themselves wanting to go back and read the whole series from the beginning - or at least from Doug Moench's arrival as writer. I love the Starlin/Englehart issues too but they're kind of a separate thing in my mind, although they set up the whole basic scenario.
As far as Marvel comics go, MoKF gets my highest recommendation, right up at the top with my other favourites.
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