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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:21:56 GMT -5
Now I've heard conflicting issues but which one is truly the start of the Bronze Age? I've heard Amazing Spider-Man #122 and Green Lantern #85 are the key issues but they're two years apart... thoughts? Conan #1. October 1970. Doesn't the Hyborean Age predate the Bronze Age?
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 29, 2020 11:37:36 GMT -5
I have long felt that, by necessity, DC started the Bronze Age earlier than Marvel. It can be hard to pin down because DC had editorial feifdoms, so the date is different for different titles. But things started looking and feeling different at DC once Infantino became art director for the whole line.
Neal Adams' Deadman started in 1967; to me that's a Bronze book in look and feel, and concept.
I think Conan #1 is about right for Marvel though.
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Post by sabongero on Jul 29, 2020 12:15:54 GMT -5
Would temporary deaths in comic books be more pivotal in the comic books or will the return from the temporary deaths be more pivotal (i.e. Superman, Batman, Captain America, Wolverine, Jean Grey over and over and over, etc.) ?
Because I would consider the return of James Buchanan Barnes more pivotal (than his death) in his return as the Winter Soldier and has risen in popularity as time went by since his return.
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Post by rberman on Jul 29, 2020 12:20:41 GMT -5
I have long felt that, by necessity, DC started the Bronze Age earlier than Marvel. It can be hard to pin down because DC had editorial feifdoms, so the date is different for different titles. But things started looking and feeling different at DC once Infantino became art director for the whole line. Neal Adams' Deadman started in 1967; to me that's a Bronze book in look and feel, and concept. I think Conan #1 is about right for Marvel though. It seems sound to find different transition points in different books. From what I've seen, Avengers adopted a Bronze Age look and feel prior to other Marvel books.
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Post by sabongero on Jul 29, 2020 13:04:14 GMT -5
I have long felt that, by necessity, DC started the Bronze Age earlier than Marvel. It can be hard to pin down because DC had editorial feifdoms, so the date is different for different titles. But things started looking and feeling different at DC once Infantino became art director for the whole line. Neal Adams' Deadman started in 1967; to me that's a Bronze book in look and feel, and concept. I think Conan #1 is about right for Marvel though. It seems sound to find different transition points in different books. From what I've seen, Avengers adopted a Bronze Age look and feel prior to other Marvel books. Around which Avengers storyline and comic book issue did you think it adopted a Bronze Age look and feel ?
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Post by rberman on Jul 29, 2020 13:15:59 GMT -5
It seems sound to find different transition points in different books. From what I've seen, Avengers adopted a Bronze Age look and feel prior to other Marvel books. Around which Avengers storyline and comic book issue did you think it adopted a Bronze Age look and feel ? I don't know as much about early Avengers as I should. Just looking at the art, it seems to me that the transition from Don Heck to John Buscema made a huge difference.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 29, 2020 13:34:37 GMT -5
They did reprint the material in Star Wars #1-6 many times... so maybe the most reprinted (although that's probably Action #1 in whole or part)? I had the huge tabloid with all six 'back in the day' (read it on a beach in Los Angeles) but I know there were also two separate tabloids with three issues each, and in the early '80s two comic sized editions that seem to be valuable now as well... too bad the finished art wasn't of a higher quality.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 29, 2020 20:48:02 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Cei-U! Never afraid to admit I'm wrong! Also, Star Wars #1 was 1977, not 1976.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 29, 2020 21:05:37 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Cei-U! Never afraid to admit I'm wrong! Also, Star Wars #1 was 1977, not 1976. In my defense, my memories of the second half of the '70s (aka my college years) are less than crystal clear.
Cei-U! I summon my triple major: sex & drugs & rock 'n' roll!
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Post by berkley on Jul 29, 2020 21:19:38 GMT -5
Around which Avengers storyline and comic book issue did you think it adopted a Bronze Age look and feel ? I don't know as much about early Avengers as I should. Just looking at the art, it seems to me that the transition from Don Heck to John Buscema made a huge difference. With the passing of the years, I've come to find Heck's Avengers under-rated but I agree, the transition to Buscema was a huge step up - not that Heck was an inferior artist but just that his style was never really suited to the superhero genre, while Buscema's was, for all that he didn't like them much himself, reportedly.
One thing I do find a bit off about Heck's Avengers is that he sometimes tries to make Hercules look stronger simply by exaggerating the porportions of his upper body, which in many panels, like the one above, just ends up looking weird and awkward without achieving what I assume was the purpose of making him look more powerful and impressive than the average muscular superhero.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 30, 2020 6:30:09 GMT -5
Also, Star Wars #1 was 1977, not 1976. In my defense, my memories of the second half of the '70s (aka my college years) are less than crystal clear. Cei-U! I summon my triple major: sex & drugs & rock 'n' roll!
Ha! If you remember the '70s, you really weren't there.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 30, 2020 9:00:27 GMT -5
While the start of the Golden Age and Silver Age are almost universally accepted as Action #1 and Showcase #4, the starting point of the Bronze Age remains debated to this day, with no one book agreed to. Conan #1, GL #85, Giant Size X-Men #1, ASM #122, even Marvel Spotlight #2 (WBN) and Savage Tales #1 are considered.
For me it is Conan #1.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 30, 2020 9:02:53 GMT -5
While Heck was not a bad draftsman (Buscema thought him very talented) I don't think he ever got the Marvel style the way the other Silver Age artists did.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 30, 2020 10:42:34 GMT -5
While Heck was not a bad draftsman (Buscema thought him very talented) I don't think he ever got the Marvel style the way the other Silver Age artists did. Heck was not a natural super-hero artist. He was much better at romance and western comics. The direction of the industry forced him into an area where he was never going to shine. That said, his earliest Marvel-Age work on Ant-Man, for instance, was a breath of fresh air.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 30, 2020 11:24:09 GMT -5
While Heck was not a bad draftsman (Buscema thought him very talented) I don't think he ever got the Marvel style the way the other Silver Age artists did. Heck was not a natural super-hero artist. He was much better at romance and western comics. The direction of the industry forced him into an area where he was never going to shine. That said, his earliest Marvel-Age work on Ant-Man, for instance, was a breath of fresh air. That's because he was working full-script on those stories written by Larry Lieber, Robert Bernstein, or Ernie Hart. Heck was at his best when he didn't have to figure out the pacing, staging, etc, and could just concentrate on drawing. He could do that stuff--his Avengers and Iron Man work with Stan proved it--but it wasn't his preference. Some artists are just more comfortable as illustrators rather than storytellers.
Cei-U! I summon the 20/20 hindsight!
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