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Post by berkley on Jun 6, 2022 21:17:49 GMT -5
I think you're being a little unfair to Chris regarding Red not being able to break free on her own. She may be a superior human female, but she doesn't have Spidey's super-strength.
This. Sometime people forget that because he doesn't show off his super-strength, but he can press lift tons. No normal human could escape his grip. But for whatever reason he was ridiculously nerfed in the 70s (he had trouble defeating a regular person whose only power was to have pointy shoes) so I understand why one could think that she had a better chance against him ... Which is one of the biggest reasons it isn't a great idea to bring characters like Conan or Red Sonja into the superhero-MU: there isnt really much about them to make them special in a world where the heroes are "super" heroes that can do things like lift tons of weight.
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Post by zaku on Jun 7, 2022 1:31:03 GMT -5
This. Sometime people forget that because he doesn't show off his super-strength, but he can press lift tons. No normal human could escape his grip. But for whatever reason he was ridiculously nerfed in the 70s (he had trouble defeating a regular person whose only power was to have pointy shoes) so I understand why one could think that she had a better chance against him ... Which is one of the biggest reasons it isn't a great idea to bring characters like Conan or Red Sonja into the superhero-MU: there isnt really much about them to make them special in a world where the heroes are "super" heroes that can do things like lift tons of weight. I don't know that. There are not-powered heroes out there (Hawkeye etc). It's not just sheer strength that makes you special But I concede that it's difficult to depict them "special" when they have to face Spider-Man, someone who fought and won against a Galactus' herald. But reading these reviews it seems that in this period every not-powered common criminal had a change against the wall-crawler...
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Post by berkley on Jun 7, 2022 3:54:35 GMT -5
Which is one of the biggest reasons it isn't a great idea to bring characters like Conan or Red Sonja into the superhero-MU: there isnt really much about them to make them special in a world where the heroes are "super" heroes that can do things like lift tons of weight. I don't know that. There are not-powered heroes out there (Hawkeye etc). It's not just sheer strength that makes you special
Sure, but Conan and Red Sonja aren't Hawkeye. What makes them special in their world, REH's fictional universe, is that they're stronger fighters than almost anyone else. yeah, I know, there are "non-powered" superheroes that supposedly hold their own in the superhero universes but that's just one of the many nonsensical things about the superhero genre. Logically - and I mean just the internal logic of following through with the implications of the whole concept of superpowered people as it is given in superhero comics - there's no way a Daredevil or Batman or even a Captain America could hold their own with a Thor or a Superman, etc. In relative terms, a Batman wouldn't be much different to Superman than a guy in a wheelchair.
Of course I just accept things like this as part of the whole superhero world when reading and enjoying those stories - but, for me at least, when they bring a character from some other genre, like REH's sword & sorcery stories, into the superhero universe, it immediately highlights the irrationality that I'm able to ignore when it's just superhero characters.
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Post by zaku on Jun 7, 2022 4:07:11 GMT -5
I don't know that. There are not-powered heroes out there (Hawkeye etc). It's not just sheer strength that makes you special I mean just the internal logic of following through with the implications of the whole concept of superpowered people as it is given in superhero comics - there's no way a Daredevil or Batman or even a Captain America could hold their own with a Thor or a Superman, etc. In relative terms, a Batman wouldn't be much different to Superman than a guy in a wheelchair.
In the name of fairness, we've never seen a serious fight between Captain America and Thor. The closest thing is when Cap battled a clone of Thor and the latter virtually humiliated him. All the fights instead between Batman and Superman, however, there have always been extenuating circumstances (Superman was not committing himself, Batman had Kryptonite etc). In stories set in alternate universes, well ...
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Post by badwolf on Jun 7, 2022 8:37:53 GMT -5
To me, using Red Sonja and not let it be Red Sonja, noted butt-kicker and charter member of the Ginger Sisterhood, and needing her to be rescued for most of the story is a pointless waste of a character. I agree that she should have had more to do.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jun 7, 2022 11:18:15 GMT -5
All the fights instead between Batman and Superman, however, there have always been extenuating circumstances (Superman was not committing himself, Batman had Kryptonite etc). In stories set in alternate universes, well ...
I can't quite figure out what's happening in the final panel.
I've argued that in a battle between Batman and Superman, Batman will always win, solely because … Superman defeating Batman in inherently boring and predictable (for all the reasons enumerated here). So for sheer dramatic necessity, Batman always has to win!
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Post by zaku on Jun 7, 2022 12:45:20 GMT -5
I can't quite figure out what's happening in the final panel. My fault, I cut the page. Sup is just blasting away the Kryptonite spear with his heat vision.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 23, 2022 14:04:08 GMT -5
Marvel Team-Up #80-81Creative Team: Chris Claremont-writer, Mike Vosburg-pencils, Gene Day (80) and Steve Leiloha (81)-inks, Denise Wohl (80) & Rick Parker (81)-letters, Petra Goldberg (80) & Ben Sean (81)-colors, Al Milgrom-editor Synopsis: Peter Parker and his girlfriend, Cissy (Buffy & Jody are being watched by Mr French) are attacked in Central Park; not by a mugger, but a werewolf! Pete ends up driving it off with a facefull of web; but, then finds Dr Strange's amulet, at the scene. After Cissy is declared okay, at the hospital, Spidey goes to see Doc and is met by Clea, who seams upset and evasive. When she says Doc is gone, Spidey is suspicious. He recalls their last team-up and Marie Laveau's words about the tarot. Being gullible, Spidey goes to consult with Madame Xenobia, who can't interpret the cards (unh-huh) and calls her granddaughter, who says Pete has drawn the fool, since he is listening to this drivel. Or is that too cynical? Spidey spots Doc, sees him return home and backhand Clea. Spidey sees it through the window and smashes his way in to bust Doc's head. The tussle and Clea aids Spidey in knocking Doc out. He then notices Doc has hairy palms. Oh, so Clea cut him off and he resorted to................ahem. That's just an old wive's tale. Spidey puts two and two together and gets werewolf. Clea doesn't believe it until she mystically taps Doc's mind (interesting how her powers work when convenient, but never in the face of danger) and confirms that he has been hanging with Lon Chaney Jr. Wong and Spidey load Doc onto a chartered 707, to take him for help; but, they are delayed for departure and the moon rises, before they can take off. Doc turns into a werewolf and smashes his way out of the plane. Meanwhile, In Greenwich Village, Clea gets a visitor....Satana No, that's Santana....I said Satana! Satana and Clea use the Orb of Agamotto to spy on Doc and recap issue 80, then summon Wong and Spidey.... Nice horns! She offers to help and sends Spidey to find Doc, while they do the mystical mumbo-jumbo. He finds Doc at the hospital, where Cissy is recovering and they smack each other around a bit, before Spidey drags his flea-bitten behind back to the brownstone. satana lets go, witht he magic flow and reclaims Doc's soul; but, at the cost of her own life. Thoughts: I have a low tolerance for supernatural gibberish and these two issues are full of it and I hate Spidey and Dr Strange team-ups, for the most part. The chaarcters don't work well together and Doc is usually a patsy, despite being th most powerful sorcerer around. Clea is useless, as usual and Satana is a poor attempt at a sexy horro chick, but she ain't no Vampirella. Claremont writing this stuff just makes me hate it more. Englehart was better at it, though I still hated the stuff. It's all related to the fight with Silver Dagger, which i also didn't like. I'm not gonna spare any more time on it. It's not my cup of tea. Visuals are fine and Vosburg does sexy supernatural women better than most (too bad he didn't write it, as he is also better at it than Claremont, with sexy horror chicks). The only way this would have been good, for me, was for Count Floyd to turn up, with Dr Tongue and Bruno. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 23, 2022 14:27:53 GMT -5
Marvel Two-in-One #80Creative Team: Tom deFalco-writer, Ron Wilson-pencils, Chic Stone-inks, Joe Rosen-letters, George Rousos-colors, Jim Salicru-editor Synopsis: Ben is knocking the house down, while he works out with his EverKirby 500 Heavy Bag. Alicia's studio is shaken and her statues wrecked. She goes to "see" what is going on and almost stumbles into the path of the bag.... Reed snatches her out of the way, in the nick of time and Ben runs off in a huff, because he endangered Alicia. Redd, Sue and Johnny help clean up the mess, but Alicia is too sad, without Ben. Ben goes off moping and wrecks a building. He goes to be somewhere safer and witnesses the police chasing Ghost Rider. After doing his biker stuff, causing panic and terrorizing people, he turns back into Johnny Blaze, who goes off and whines about willingly selling his soul tot he Devil. ben turns up and helps him escape.... Ben drops Johnny off and he gives Ben two free tickets to his show. Ben goes back home an apologizes to Alicia. They go to the show, where some punk kids decide to go joyriding in one of the cars that Johnny is set to jump, at Shea Stadium. Johnny does some tricks, then performs the jump, including a loop in the air, before landing... The punks make off with the car and Johnny follows and wipes out. Ghost Rider then appears and goes after the kids. Ben goes to stop Ghost Rider from hurting the twits. The punks spot GR in the mirror and wet the front seat of the car, then crash. They run off, but don't get very far. Ben turns up to stop GR from laying the smackdown on them and they fight each other. Ben tries his old Torch-fighting tricks; but, water doesn't work on Hellfire. Smacking GR with a lamppost does and he turns back into Johnny Blaze and runs off, in remorse. Ben goes home and makes sweet rocky love, down by the fire, with Alicia. or whatever they do at home. Thoughts: Okay issue. Nothing spectacular; but, nice character moments, as Ben realizes he has it pretty good, while also sympathizing with Johnny Blaze, as an outcast. Nothing worthy of grandeur; but, a nice little story. Not fond of Chic Stone on Ron Wilson. He kind of tones him down too much. Would much rather have Gene Day or Steve Leiloha or even Joe Sinnott
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Post by badwolf on Jun 23, 2022 14:38:10 GMT -5
Marvel Team-Up #80-81 I keep meaning to mention Mike Vosburg in the underrated artists thread. I think he and Leialoha are a good combo here. It's been a while since I read these issues so I don't remember much of the story but I tend to agree that Spidey and Doc are probably not a good fit most of the time. I do love that ASM annual by O'Neil & Miller, though. I became rather fond of Satana from her few appearances and was disappointed she was killed at the end of this story. It seemed to come out of left field. She returned without explanation (I guess demons don't really need one) in the ill-fated Witches miniseries many years later.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 23, 2022 17:00:01 GMT -5
Marvel Two-in-One Annual #6Thing & Ka-Zar & Wyatt Wingfoot & the American Eagle! As opposed to the American Starship Eagle..... (On the left. That's Coyote, on the right) Creative Team: Doug Moench-writer, Ron Wilson-pencils, Gene Day-inks, Pierre Bernard Jr, George Rousos, David Anthony Kraft-editor American Eagle created by Ron Wilson, for all of the acclaim and remuneration that has brought him! Synopsis: Ben is twiddling his thumbs, bored, all alone in the Baxter Building. He goes and lifts his Kirbyplate 2000 weight set, when the alarm sounds. Turns out it is Wyatt Wingfoot, who is looking for help. He tells Ben about some legend of two sons of a dying chief, who are sent to consult the Great Spirit, to see who will lead their people against an invader. The Great Spirit appears before them and turns them into Apache Chief so they can wrestle for it. They hit each other with mountains and fall into rivers, before one son delivers a Wahoo McDaniel Tomahawk Chop and knocks his brother on his kemo sabe..... The new chief led his people against the invaders and drove them away. Later, he disappeared in a puff of smoke. Ben isn't buying it; but, Wyatt tells him of a modern twist to the story, as a pair of brothers (Jason & Ward Strongbow) argue over the encroachment of a mining company, thanks to one of the two brothers (Ward) making an unsanctioned agreement with the company. Jason tried to fight in court, but lost. They tried agitating and picketed the mining operation. A watchman panicked and shot a protester, then ran into the sacred cave, in the mountain. Jason went after him and found brother Ward, in some kind of high tech cavern, with secret shenanigans going on... There was an explosion and a landslide, then Jason appeared before his people, glowing. He said the defilers were gone, but he was going after them, then disappeared. One of the protestors went to the next reservation and told Wyatt, as Ward & Jason had disappeared. Wyatt then came to the FF for help, as the protestor said Jason was following the murderers to The Savage Land! Dunh-duh-duh!!!!!!!! Ben and Wyatt take the Pogo Plane and head for Antarctica and the secret entrance to the Savage Land. In the Savage Land, we see some pro wrestler, with a crossbow, stalking through the jungle, just as a Tarzan-wannabe stalks him. A unicorn is drinking from a nearby stream, where a few goblins are hunting for it, for their master, Darkness.... The wrestler fires his crossbow; but at some men, not the unicorn. Tarzan and Wahoo fight.... Wahoo cleans his clock and then Tarzan...er, Ka-Zar says he will keep fighting to stop him killing the unicorn, and Wahoo stops whooping him to say he was trying to kill the white men, not the unicorn and ka-Zar says, "Oh, well, that's different." Wahoo explains, then introduces himself as the American Eagle. Zabu turns up and Ka-Zar stops American Eagle (Wahoo sounds less stupid) and Zabu does his kitty-kitty routine (can a sabretooth tiger purr?) The white boys move off deeper into the jungle and Ka-Zar violates ER Burrough's trademarks and goes vine-swinging, while Eagle fires his own modern vines, with his crossbow. They witness the Pogo Plane landing (convenient route) and meet up with Ben and Wyatt. ben and Eagle arm wrestle, while Wyatt and Ka-Zar cop some Zs. Eagle explains what really happened in the cave. Ward was knocked out, the white boss turned up and it was Ulysses Klaw, who zapped Jason with his sonic claw and they carried off Ward. The energy from the claw and the fire set off an explosion, leaving Jason fustigated and glowing. The sonic energy combined with radiation, from the uranium ore that was being mined, to create Jason's powers. He overheard the men say they were headed to Antarctica to obtain vibranium. Elsewhere, at a dinosaur graveyard, Klaw yells at his flunkies..... He plans to start a dino stampede, then take the vibranium. Eagle spots Klaw standing at the rim of the crater and he, Ben and Ka-zar make like the Devil's Brigade and climb up the side, out of sight. Ben and Klaw meet up and we learn what happened to Klaw, after the Project: Pegasus story, where he had been reduced to sound molecules and absorbed by his sonic claw. A cleaning lady (in a top secret government research facility) found it, while cleaning up the rubble forom the various fights and accidentally triggered it, causing Klaw's body to reform. He zapped her unconscious (he isn't a total louse) and scampered. He finishes his story, then blasts Ben. Ka-Zar finds ward, who is working with Klaw, then Jason turns up, in his wrestling gear. They have words, then fight with dinosaur bones.... Wyatt flings a rock, from the ground, to the top of a crater that had to be scaled to reach the summit, and knocks aside Klaw's weapon. Ben tackles him and they fall to the dino pen and Klaw unleashes a stampede of sauropods. Ka-Zar and Zabu help Ben and he redirects his energies at Klaw. Jason & Ward continue to fight, then Ward is shot, from behind, by the white goons. Ben decks Klaw with a haymaker and removes his sonic claw. Jason heads towards the goons and they beat feet, right into the path of the dino stampede and get smooshed. Ben picks up Klaw and loads him into the Pogo Plane. He and Wyatt say goodbye to Ka-Zar, as Jason carries his dead brother's body to the plane and the story ends. Thoughts: This was always my favorite of the annuals and one of the best stories of this period of MTIO (which was pretty decent, in general). Moench crafts a pretty good tale, which makes good use of Ulysses Klaw, based on past history (both in the FF and in MTIO). Gene Day really livens up Ron Wilson's pencils, which is why I really wish he was still inking the regular book, instead of the stiffer Chic Stone. The origin for American Eagle is pretty cliched and shows the usual ignorance of most writers of European ancestry, when it comes to Native American legends. Tim Truman this ain't. Still, it could have been much worse. Eagle is far more interesting than Thunderbird was, in his brief time in X-Men, though he was there to just die (since he didn't date from the original series, wasn't a Cockrum creation, and hadn't fought the Hulk). The costuming would look better in a pro wrestling ring, though, for this kind of stereotyped ethnic hero, it isn't bad. Problem is, the tribal lands were in the Southwest and the costume is more representative of the Plains tribes, like the Sioux and the Cheyenne. Quite frankly, it ends up looking like my high school and college mascots (we were the Niantic-Harristown Indians and I went to the Univ of Illinois, the Fighting Illini). Kind of disappointing that Moench and Wilson resorted to old stereotypes. It really wasn't an improvement over Red Wolf, who at least didn't run around in a war bonnet. American Eagle got a few guest appearances, including a handful, in Marvel Comics Presents (particularly issue #27, which featured his first solo story); but, was never a significant character. He disappeared for quite while, before Warren Ellis brought him back, in Thunderbolts, with a new look, which took away the visual stereotypes. he was also retconned into being a Navajo, which makes the war bonnet even more egregious. He would have made a great fighter for Unlimited Class Wrestling, though, in the Thing solo book. That costume had pro wrestling written all over it; but, the name Strongbow has always been associated with fake indian wrestlers... However, even the real Native American wrestlers couldn't escape the stereotype..... Well, except Jack Brisco.... For the wrestling impaired.... Wahoo (Edward) McDaniel was a legit Native American, from Texas, who was of Choctaw-Chickasaw heritage and had been a football standout in high school and the Univ of Oklahoma. He played professionally for the Houston Oilers, Denver Broncos and most famously the New York Jets, where he was a linebacker. When he made a tackle, the announcer would ask WHO made the tackle? The crowd would respond with chants of WAHOO! WAHOO! He finished with the Miami Dolphins. he got into pro wrestling and was a star all across the country, particularly noted for brutal matches with Johnny Valentine, where they would chop each other's chest until it looked like bloody hamburger meat. He was also a rival to Ric Flair (and the wrestler that Flair most emulated, even though he took Buddy Rogers' name) and they fought through the Carolinas. The name came from his father, whose nickname was "Big Wahoo" (possibly after the comic strip Big Chief Wahoo). He also had a famous baseball coach, in school: George Herbert Walker Bush, who went on to be the 41st President of the United States. They maintained a friendship through Bush's political career and Wahoo's sports and wrestling career. Chief Jay Strongbow (Luke Joseph Scarpa) was a fake American Indian wrestler. he was actually of Italian heritage and had wrestled under his own name, Joe Scarpa, before using the Jay Strongbow gimmick. He was later given a fake brother, Jules Strongbow (with the name swiped from a promoter of wrestling in Los Angeles), whose real name was Francis Huntington, who had also wrestled as Frank Hill. Huntington was a legit Native American, Scarpa was not. He was also not particularly well liked by a lot of people in wrestling, particularly when he was a road agent for the WWF, in the 80s. However, he was a draw in the WWWF and was tight with Bruno Sammartino and Vince McMahon Sr, which gave him a job for life, with Vince Jr and the WWF. Jack (Freddie Joe) Brisco and brother Gerald (Floyd Gerald) were legit Native Americans, from Oklahoma, who were also top collegiate wrestlers, before becoming pro wrestlers. Jack won the NCAA Wrestling National Championship in 1965 (and was runner up in 1964, in his weight class). During his senior year (1965) he was never taken down by an opponent. After winning the NCAA tournament, he turned pro and wrestled in Missouri, before moving to home turf, for the Oklahoma territory. he eventually migrated to Florida, to work for promoter Eddie Graham. Graham groomed him and he developed a rivalry with NWA World Champion Dory Funk Jr, who had also been a talented amateur (and a second generation pro). Graham convinced the NWA Board members to vote Jack as the next World Champion and he was scheduled to face Funk to win the title, when Funk (allegedly) got into an auto accident, on his ranch. The match was shelved and the title was put on Harley Race, who then dropped it to Brisco, in Houston (as they had been promised the title switch for Funk vs Brisco). He would go on to hold it for the next two years, apart from a four day switch with Japanese wrestler/promoter Giant Baba, until he grew tired of the grind of traveling across the country to the various territories (the NWA World Champion traveled to various affiliated territories to face local stars and help boost their business and the drawing power of the local stars. They would then go to the next territory and face the next local talent in a program, which kept them on the road for most of the year. The title was voted every year, at the annual NWA convention). Brisco then spent the bulk of his time wrestling for the Florida and Carolina promotions, before helping to broker the deal for the WWF to buy the Georgia office (in which they held shares) and then started wrestling for the WWF. In an era where Vince McMahon never acknowledged the existence of any other wrestling promotion, they always mentioned that Jack had been the NWA World Champion. The only other wrestler who was given this same recognition was 6-time NWA World Champion Harley Race (who also owned part of the Kansas City promotion).
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 23, 2022 17:15:28 GMT -5
ps The American Starship was a tag-team, created by Dusty Rhodes, consisting of The Eagle and the Coyote. The Eagle was Dan Spivey, who would wrestler with Sid Vicious, as The Skyscrapers, before Sid was gone and was replaced by a redheaded kid, named Mark Calloway, who worked under the name Mean Mark Callous. He then left for the WWF, where he became The Undertaker. Spivey also worked in the WWF, as Waylon Mercy, a character based on Robert DeNiro, in the remake of Cape Fear. He had been there earlier as Golden Boy Dan Spivey.
Coyote was a rookie, named Scott Hall, who went to the AWA, where he was Magnum Scot Hall and a stint in WCW, as Gator Scott Hall, before returning there, as The Diamond Studd. he then went off to the WWF and suddenly became Cuban and was dubbed Razor Ramon, swiping from Scarface. he became a big star and then went off to WCW, to start the NWO angle, which sparked a boom in popularity for pro wrestling, in the late 90s. He passed away, recently, but Spivey is still around, as seen on the Dark Side of the Ring episode, devoted to Dynamite Kid (with whom he was close friends), where you could see his huge vein sticking out on the side of his head.
The name was pretty dumb and they only worked briefly, together, in the Carolinas and for Kansas City, using the name, before Spivey left and Hall went to the AWA. Kansas City was a horrible territory to work, anyway, with small crowds and low pay. It was a place for young guys to start and old guys to finish up and not much else.
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Post by berkley on Jun 23, 2022 23:26:35 GMT -5
I keep meaning to mention Mike Vosburg in the underrated artists thread. I think he and Leialoha are a good combo here. It's been a while since I read these issues so I don't remember much of the story but I tend to agree that Spidey and Doc are probably not a good fit most of the time. I do love that ASM annual by O'Neil & Miller, though. I became rather fond of Satana from her few appearances and was disappointed she was killed at the end of this story. It seemed to come out of left field. She returned without explanation (I guess demons don't really need one) in the ill-fated Witches miniseries many years later. What was Satana supposed to be at this point in the character's history - still the daughter of Satan, etc? I understand that all references and connections to the Satan of the Bible were retconned at some point after I stopped following the MU. One reason I'm curious is that there was a memorable issue in Englehart's Dr. Strange in which Strange and Clea had to confront Satan in Hell, but it doesn't appear that it's referenced at all in Claremont's MTU story.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 3, 2022 16:43:03 GMT -5
Marvel Two-in-One #81Thing and Namor! Namor practicing for his run on Broadway, there. Creative Team: Tom DeFalco-writer, Ron Wilson-pencils, Chic Stone-inks, Joe Rosen & Janice Chiang-letters, George Roussos, Jim Salicrup-editor You know you are being too wordy when the book requires two letterers. So, how did the split the work; did one do consonants and the other vowels? He gets nouns and she gets adjectives? What about adverbs? Synopsis: Namor is on vacation and thinks New York would be a quiet place to spend it. However, the locals don't cotton to outsiders, so he goes to get some leisure wear to blend in.... Namor has a unique bargaining technique, which seems rooted in pre-Revolutionary France. The store owner starts looking around for his guillotine, when Namor coughs up some pearls to pay for the clothes. My only question is, if this is the most exclusive and expensive store in all of New York, how come they carry outdated hats, from the 60s. They were not making a comeback, in the 1980s! Shouldn't Namor come out dressed more ike Ric Flair? So, Namor heads off in the best salary man attire that 1952 had to offer. Meanwhile, Alicia is moving out of the Baxter Building, before she gets hit by another Kirby 5000 punching bag. ben helps, but then gets all mopey about it and walks out to go cry in his giant hankie. IT'S SLOBBERIN' TIME!!! While he walks the street, wallowing in self-pity, he comes across an android, wailing on some dude... They fight, ben gets decked and then gassed and carried off. Meanwhile, Namor is out partying like it's 1949, as he recalls living in the Bowery, like a bum, until Johnny Storm found him. he recalls the kindness of a bag lady, named Sunshine Mary (sounds like a Grateful Dead song) and asks a bum where she might be found. The guy offers to take him, for a reward. Elsewhere, in upstate New York, at a place called Project Pegasus, Quasar answers an alarm call and finds Bill Foster, unconscious.... The radiation from Atom Smasher and Nuklo is killing him and his time isn't long. The bum leads Namor to an abandoned building, where a bunch of bums ambushes Namor, who tosses them around Like Ken patera tossed cops, after he shot-putted a decorative boulder through a McDonalds window, because they were closed and wouldn't serve him... Namor finds out that someone has been kidnapping the homeless and Sunshine Mary was the last one take. He howls and goes hunting. The bum that was being attacked by the android turns up to conveniently lead them to the waterfront, where the victims have been take. Inside a pier warehouse, we find..... MODOK!! (Warning: Potty-mouthed megalomaniac) Ben is awake and a captive of MODOK and AIM, the evil scientists behind the toothpaste. They are conducting germ warfare experiments, which explains the taste of their tartar-control product. Ben breaks out of his glass cell, kicks some but (whilw handcuffed), but gets gassed again. Then, Namor and the Bowery Boys burst in.... Namor whoops on androids, but gets shot in the back by a goon in a beekeeper outfit. Leo Gorcy and Huntz Hall attack the beekepers and make enough chaos for Ben to get free and do some clobberin'. Then MODOK brings out the Super Synthoids, the king size versions of the androids. Namor and Ben tag-team them and knock their blocks off.... MODOK escapes, but is gassed by his own Virus X. Namor finds Sunshine Mary, who rejects him as a freak. Namor flies off, in a huff, and Ben keels over, saying Virus X is killing him. Thoughts: Well, that sucks! Alicia moves out on Ben (but it won't affect their relationship) and Ben ends up dying from a deadly virus. Namor gets treated by dirt from the only human to be kind to him (apart from Betty Dean....and Sue Storm.....and......). The plot is a bit cliched; but, everyone dying of terminal illness is something different. We have to see next issue, as Ben needs medical attention. Ron's pencils look a bit better, this time around, with Chic Stone inks. The layouts are kind of dull, as Wilson uses the boring grid pattern, even before Jim Shooter mandated it in everything (except the guys who ignored him and got away with it because their books sold well). This is just the beginning, as next issue picks up Ben's deterioration and the condition of Giant Man, Bill Foster. We will run into several experts on radiation and bioweaponry, as the story plays out. For the wrestling impaired: Ric Flair, aka Slick Ric, aka The Nature Boy (Woooooooooo, daddy!), was the NWA World Heavyweight Champion when it last meant something. Flair's image was that of a rich boy, in custom-made clothes, expensive watches and jewelry, partying with all the ladies, because the title earned him so much cash. In reality, Richard Morgan Fliehr was the adopted son of a Minneapolis gynecologist, who got himself kicked out of several schools, before playing some college football and then training with Verne Gagne to be a professional wrestler. he soon became one of the hottest wrestlers in the business, lighting up the Mid-Atlantic territory of Jim Crockett, with matches against the likes of Roddy Piper, Wahoo McDaniel, and, especially, Ricky Steamboat. Flair was picked to win the NWA World title, in 1981, when he beat Dusty Rhodes, He held it until 1983, when he was beaten by Harley Race, to create an extended program of Flair regaining the title at the very first Starrcade event, on Thanksgiving, in 1983. From then on, Flair became synonymous with the title as Crockett bought the WTBS Saturday wrestling slot from Vince McMahon, who acquired it via underhanded methods, in 1984 (legal, but underhanded). From then on, Jim Crockett promotions became the only strong competitor to the WWF national expansion, using traditional pro wrestling as an alternative to the cartonnier presentation of the WWF, and the personalities of Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes, plus stars like The other Four Horsemen (Tully Blanchard, Arn Anderson and a fourth member, which rotated between Ole Anderson, Lex Luger and Barry Windham), the Road Warriors, the Rock N Roll Express and the Midnight Express, Nikita Koloff, Lex Luger, Barry Windham; and, eventually Sting (Steve Borden, not Gordon Sumner). Flair regularly cut promos about being custom-made, from head to toe and being a high flying, limousine-riding, kiss-stealing, wheeling and dealing son of a gun. He would follow by telling you to be the best, you had to be the best and he was the best thing going..today! Now, he is in his 70s, trying to have one last match, because he flushed all of that money down the drain and or drank it or divorced it. Sad. Ken Patera was a world class powerlifter, who also trained with Verne Gagne (and roomed with Ric Flair) and became a top pro wrestler. he was wrestling for Gagne's American Wrestling Association, when, after the matches, he and Japanese wrestler Masa saito went to McDonalds for food, but found that they had just closed. When they refused to open for them, Patera, in a fit of anger, picked up a 30+ pound decorative boulder, from the grounds and hurled it through the glass door, shattering it. Police were called and Patera and Saito proceeded to throw them around like ragdolls, until they were maced enough and there were enough cops to subdue and handcuff them. The were convicted and sentenced to 2 years in prison, for which he served 16 months. He came to the WWF, as a babyface, but was such a natural jerk that fans didn't really buy it and an injury led him to be on the shelf for an extended period of time. Before wrestling, Patera was a world class power lifter, winning a gold medal in the 1971 Pan American Games, finished 2 in the world championships, behind Vasily Alexeyev, who would go on to win the gold medal, in the 1972 Munich Olympics (and the 1976 Montreal games). Patera was favored to medal at Munich, but failed to total to reach medal contention. Patera retired after the Olympics and went to Gagne's training camp to become a wrestler and could be seen (along with Flair) in the 1974 movie, The Wrestler, with Ed Asner (as a promoter). Patera also competed in the World's Strongest Man Competition, in 1977.
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 4, 2022 6:20:11 GMT -5
I keep meaning to mention Mike Vosburg in the underrated artists thread. I think he and Leialoha are a good combo here. It's been a while since I read these issues so I don't remember much of the story but I tend to agree that Spidey and Doc are probably not a good fit most of the time. I do love that ASM annual by O'Neil & Miller, though. I became rather fond of Satana from her few appearances and was disappointed she was killed at the end of this story. It seemed to come out of left field. She returned without explanation (I guess demons don't really need one) in the ill-fated Witches miniseries many years later. Apparently they killed her off because they were preparing to debut a new unrelated feature with the same name: I'm pretty sure there's another letters page in one of the Marvel magazines that discusses plans for a new Satana, but I can't find it at the moment. The one above is from MARVEL PREVIEW #19, published just a couple of months after MTU #81. While this announcement refers to "Satana, the Devil's Daughter", I believe the other letters page I recall implied that the new Satana would not literally be the Devil's daughter. It never appeared, in the 2nd issue of TOMB OF DRACULA magazine or anywhere else.
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