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Post by foxley on Dec 6, 2020 7:03:52 GMT -5
I just hit that annoying point of remembering someone else who deserves a slot on my list, so I need to work out who gets bumped to free up a slot.  |
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Post by DubipR on Dec 6, 2020 8:41:23 GMT -5
I think for slots 12 to 7, I'm going to wing it and just come up with 6 writers. My top 6 are locked but like foxley said I'm at that point as well. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 6, 2020 9:47:24 GMT -5
Of the 12 names I have, only 2 people haven't written for both Marvel and DC.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 6, 2020 10:34:23 GMT -5
Dunno about the rest of you but if this were about "best" instead of "favorite," my list would look quite different. I'd guess only three of my current twelve would make such a list.
Cei-U!
I summon the alternate CCC-verse!
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Post by brutalis on Dec 6, 2020 15:18:39 GMT -5
Dunno about the rest of you but if this were about "best" instead of "favorite," my list would look quite different. I'd guess only three of my current twelve would make such a list. Cei-U! I summon the alternate CCC-verse! Glad it's not best, makes it much more varied and interesting in my viewpoint. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 15:35:51 GMT -5
Dunno about the rest of you but if this were about "best" instead of "favorite," my list would look quite different. I'd guess only three of my current twelve would make such a list. Cei-U! I summon the alternate CCC-verse! Glad it's not best, makes it much more varied and interesting in my viewpoint. I too am glad it is favorite and not best. Best would be meaningless unless every participant was working from the same objective standard for measuring quality, a rubric of sorts, that everyone had to use when evaluating scripters, otherwise it would just be a subjective list based on each individuals' tastes/preferences and not truly a best of list. And that would be way too much like work than a fun exercise celebrating comics we love (and likely too much time spent squabbling over the details of the standards rather than positively participating in the activity). Most best of lists compiled by fans turn out to be favorites lists anyways, so cutting out the middle ground and pretense is best in my view. -M |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 6, 2020 15:47:02 GMT -5
Glad it's not best, makes it much more varied and interesting in my viewpoint. I too am glad it is favorite and not best. Best would be meaningless unless every participant was working from the same objective standard for measuring quality, a rubric of sorts, that everyone had to use when evaluating scripters, otherwise it would just be a subjective list based on each individuals' tastes/preferences and not truly a best of list. And that would be way too much like work than a fun exercise celebrating comics we love (and likely too much time spent squabbling over the details of the standards rather than positively participating in the activity). Most best of lists compiled by fans turn out to be favorites lists anyways, so cutting out the middle ground and pretense is best in my view. -M This. Anyway, It's not like its something you could measure like Home runs or wins like baseball. It will always be subjective. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 6, 2020 19:53:29 GMT -5
Now for some random post-  |
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Post by berkley on Dec 6, 2020 22:29:33 GMT -5
Come to think of it, most news-strips that I can think of were done by writer-cartoonists, so they wouldn't qualify anyway. There's only one that comes to mind at the moment that I would have included - Peter O'Donnell, for his Modesty Blaise work. Maybe Archie Goodwin for Agent Corrigan, but it's been so long since I read any of that strip that I don't have any real opinion on Goodwin's work on it - from what I do remember, it was Al Williamson's artwork that really stood out for me. Much of the European B-D writing I've been impressed by has been done by writer-artists as well - Hergé, for example. But there are two obvious writers-only I can think of, one or both of which will likely make my twelve.
(edit:) And independents too!
So it's going to be mostly Marvel/DC for my list of twelve - which with me means mostly 60s/70s Marvel.
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Post by MDG on Dec 7, 2020 11:15:23 GMT -5
Come to think of it, most news-strips that I can think of were done by writer-cartoonists, so they wouldn't qualify anyway. There's only one that comes to mind at the moment that I would have included - Peter O'Donnell, for his Modesty Blaise work. Maybe Archie Goodwin for Agent Corrigan, but it's been so long since I read any of that strip that I don't have any real opinion on Goodwin's work on it - from what I do remember, it was Al Williamson's artwork that really stood out for me. A lot of newspaper cartoonists used uncredited writers, both story and gag strips. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 7, 2020 11:23:09 GMT -5
Come to think of it, most news-strips that I can think of were done by writer-cartoonists, so they wouldn't qualify anyway. There's only one that comes to mind at the moment that I would have included - Peter O'Donnell, for his Modesty Blaise work. Maybe Archie Goodwin for Agent Corrigan, but it's been so long since I read any of that strip that I don't have any real opinion on Goodwin's work on it - from what I do remember, it was Al Williamson's artwork that really stood out for me. A lot of newspaper cartoonists used uncredited writers, both story and gag strips. Yep. It may even have been a majority by the time the strips started to become more popular. I'd venture that a majority also eventually used assistants and/or ghosts on the art. |
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Post by berkley on Dec 7, 2020 14:08:41 GMT -5
Granted, but since they weren't credited I assume they wouldn't qualify for this year's 12 Days, even if we knew their names.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 8, 2020 1:24:04 GMT -5
Come to think of it, most news-strips that I can think of were done by writer-cartoonists, so they wouldn't qualify anyway. There's only one that comes to mind at the moment that I would have included - Peter O'Donnell, for his Modesty Blaise work. Maybe Archie Goodwin for Agent Corrigan, but it's been so long since I read any of that strip that I don't have any real opinion on Goodwin's work on it - from what I do remember, it was Al Williamson's artwork that really stood out for me. Much of the European B-D writing I've been impressed by has been done by writer-artists as well - Hergé, for example. But there are two obvious writers-only I can think of, one or both of which will likely make my twelve.
(edit:) And independents too!
So it's going to be mostly Marvel/DC for my list of twelve - which with me means mostly 60s/70s Marvel.
He didn't make my list; but, the European writer whose work I have enjoyed the most is Pierre Christin. He made Bilal coherent, which is a big plus; plus, also wrote the delightful Valerian series, with Jean-Claude Mezieres. Jean Van Hamme, of XIII fame is good; but, even that series kept twisting in upon itself, until the revealed layers became ridiculous. Beyond that, I would add Jean-Michel Charlier, who wrote the Blueberry material that Moebius (as Gir) illustrated, as well as Barbe Rouge, Buck Danny, Tanguy et Laverdue and a bunch of other features. None of them made my list, since we are talking favorite and only have 12 slots. For that same reason, Kazuo Koike, of Lone Wolf and Cub fame, didn't make it. Really, manga is so image driven that it is hard to really highlight a writer's contribution, compared to Western comics. |
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Post by DubipR on Dec 8, 2020 7:43:54 GMT -5
Come to think of it, most news-strips that I can think of were done by writer-cartoonists, so they wouldn't qualify anyway. There's only one that comes to mind at the moment that I would have included - Peter O'Donnell, for his Modesty Blaise work. Maybe Archie Goodwin for Agent Corrigan, but it's been so long since I read any of that strip that I don't have any real opinion on Goodwin's work on it - from what I do remember, it was Al Williamson's artwork that really stood out for me. Much of the European B-D writing I've been impressed by has been done by writer-artists as well - Hergé, for example. But there are two obvious writers-only I can think of, one or both of which will likely make my twelve.
(edit:) And independents too!
So it's going to be mostly Marvel/DC for my list of twelve - which with me means mostly 60s/70s Marvel.
He didn't make my list; but, the European writer whose work I have enjoyed the most is Pierre Christin. He made Bilal coherent, which is a big plus; plus, also wrote the delightful Valerian series, with Jean-Claude Mezieres. Jean Van Hamme, of XIII fame is good; but, even that series kept twisting in upon itself, until the revealed layers became ridiculous. Beyond that, I would add Jean-Michel Charlier, who wrote the Blueberry material that Moebius (as Gir) illustrated, as well as Barbe Rouge, Buck Danny, Tanguy et Laverdue and a bunch of other features. None of them made my list, since we are talking favorite and only have 12 slots. For that same reason, Kazuo Koike, of Lone Wolf and Cub fame, didn't make it. Really, manga is so image driven that it is hard to really highlight a writer's contribution, compared to Western comics. Finding a manga writer I really enjoy was tough as most of them I really like are writer/artist. Rumiko Takahashi, Ai Yazawa, even Tezuka, this area of comics was was near impossible to find one. |
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Post by berkley on Dec 8, 2020 12:16:12 GMT -5
I'm very ignorant when it comes to manga, so no manga writers wil appear on my list. I have read the first couple volumes of the collected Lone WOlf and Cub, which I liked a lot, but that isn't enough for me to have a handle on the writing.
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