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Post by wildfire2099 on May 20, 2022 9:51:32 GMT -5
Would it be crazy, naive of me to wonder this.. couldn't they film the 'Jen' parts of the show, have her bulk up, then film the she hulk parts? It's been in production for at least 2 years, plenty of time for that to work. I'm not super excited about the show before the effects to be honest, and the medicore effects haven't made me any more excited. Female actors, and to a lesser extent actors in general, already have serious body issues so adding that kind of pressure on yo-yoing their bodies just sounds cruel and unusual to me so I definitely wouldn't advocate that. I supposed thats true, but they make alot of money for it, so I have trouble worrying about that. I know that sounds a bit mean, but if you choose to do a job where your physical appearance is important, you know that going in, right? |
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Post by impulse on May 20, 2022 10:53:37 GMT -5
It's pretty harsh to demand actors destroy their physical and mental health for our entertainment.
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Post by The Captain on May 20, 2022 11:52:14 GMT -5
It's pretty harsh to demand actors destroy their physical and mental health for our entertainment. We do the same thing to athletes. I can’t count the number of times an NFL player has retired in the past few years, under the age of 30, stating concerns for his future well-being, and the fans jump all over him. You hear and see: He’s “soft”. He’s “a beta”. He “isn’t a team player”. He “owes the fans, especially the ones who bought his jersey”. Not: “I wish him well”. “I respect his decision”. “I hope he finds a second career after football”. |
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Post by Dizzy D on May 20, 2022 13:10:55 GMT -5
Would it be crazy, naive of me to wonder this.. couldn't they film the 'Jen' parts of the show, have her bulk up, then film the she hulk parts? It's been in production for at least 2 years, plenty of time for that to work. I'm not super excited about the show before the effects to be honest, and the medicore effects haven't made me any more excited. I mean leaving out the stress it would put on their body (and probably they would have to repeat this several times for each season), you'd also bring back many of the other actors which would play hell with their schedules.
And it is already a nightmare for a script supervisor to keep out continuity errors between different takes on a single day, imagine there is months between various takes.
So theoretically possible, but not feasible.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 13:32:42 GMT -5
Would it be crazy, naive of me to wonder this.. couldn't they film the 'Jen' parts of the show, have her bulk up, then film the she hulk parts? It's been in production for at least 2 years, plenty of time for that to work. I'm not super excited about the show before the effects to be honest, and the medicore effects haven't made me any more excited. And sometimes when you hire actors based on physique or ability to bulk up instead of acting talent you wind up with someone wit the acting chops of Dolph Lundgren as your lead. I prefer they cast for talent and willingness to take on the roll than physique. The physique may not be ideal and they may have to jump through SFX hoops to make it work, but mediocre effects are still more watchable than a show lead with a lead that looks the part but can't act their way out of an imaginary bag. It's funny, the same comic fans who say comics are all about the story and the art is secondary as long as the story is good as the ones who seem to complain the most about the visuals of super-heroes in movies and TV. I guess story isn't supreme in visual mediums even though comics is a visual medium as well. -M |
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Post by impulse on May 20, 2022 14:41:14 GMT -5
It's pretty harsh to demand actors destroy their physical and mental health for our entertainment. We do the same thing to athletes. It's not okay when they do that, either. Sports fans can be really toxic. I guess any group of dedicated fans can be. It's easy to forget that "fan" is short for "fanatic." It's funny, the same comic fans who say comics are all about the story and the art is secondary as long as the story is good as the ones who seem to complain the most about the visuals of super-heroes in movies and TV. I guess story isn't supreme in visual mediums even though comics is a visual medium as well. -M I think this is one of those things we want to be true but just really isn't. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 15:14:09 GMT -5
We do the same thing to athletes. It's not okay when they do that, either. Sports fans can be really toxic. I guess any group of dedicated fans can be. It's easy to forget that "fan" is short for "fanatic." It's funny, the same comic fans who say comics are all about the story and the art is secondary as long as the story is good as the ones who seem to complain the most about the visuals of super-heroes in movies and TV. I guess story isn't supreme in visual mediums even though comics is a visual medium as well. -M I think this is one of those things we want to be true but just really isn't. I've always said the way the story is told visually (i.e. the art) is just as important as the story itself because in a visual medium there is no story without the visual storytelling-if you've ever read a comic in script form, it's not a story, it's instructions for a story. I do believe story is paramount, but in comics the story doesn't exist without the art and is entirely reliant on the art for the story to be told. However, I see a lot of people disagree with me and claim the art is irrelevant to the story and the story itself is all that matters, but I rarely see those people adopt the same attitude when super-heroes transition to another medium, then it's all about how it looks (or how it looks and feels compared to a comic page, or how the costume isn't right, or how the skin color, hair color, or build of the actor isn't right, or... and they've judged the product without ever seeing what the story (which is allegedly paramount for their enjoyment) actually is and how its executed. Ironically I care less about the visuals in TV or film super-hero stories than I do about them on the comic page. Strong acting, directing or cinematography can make up for bad sfx or costuming or make me forget about differences in appearance between the on screen and on page versions of characters leaving the storytelling experience still satisfying, whereas I don't believe a good comic script can overcome a poorly executed visual narrative on the page to save the "story" and make it a positive storytelling experience. But to each their own. -M |
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Post by impulse on May 20, 2022 15:29:43 GMT -5
I've always said the way the story is told visually (i.e. the art) is just as important as the story itself because in a visual medium there is no story without the visual storytelling-if you've ever rea da comic in script form, it's not a story, it's instructions for a story. I do believe story is paramount, but in comics the story doesn't exist without the art and is entirely reliant on the art for the story to be told. However, I see a lot of people disagree with me and claim the art is irrelevant to the story and the story itself is all that matters, but I rarely see those people adopt the same attitude when super-heroes transition to another medium, then it's all about how it looks (or how it looks and feels compared to a comic page, or how the costume isn't right, or how the skin color, hair color, or build of the actor isn't right, or... and they've judged the product without ever seeing what the story (which is allegedly paramount for their enjoyment) actually is and how its executed. Ironically I care less about the visuals in TV or film super-hero stories than I do about them on the comic page. Strong acting, directing or cinematography can make up for bad sfx or costuming or make me forget about differences in appearance between the on screen and on page versions of characters leaving the storytelling experience still satisfying, whereas I don't believe a good comic script can overcome a poorly executed visual narrative on the page to save the "story" and make it a positive storytelling experience. But to each their own. -M Yeah, I agree that comics by their nature require both the art and story to at least be competent. Folks can and will argue until the cows come home between which one can be better, whether good art can save a bad story or a good story can save bad art, etc. Everyone will have their own particular opinions and lines, but the art at least has to be good enough to convey what is happening. I can only think of a handful of times the art was so distractingly bad it negatively impacted my ability to enjoy the story to a major degree. I still don't know my Marvel signed off to publish some of those issues, but it was pretty rare. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 20, 2022 17:20:19 GMT -5
I feel like some people have near impossible expectations for cgi. The purpose of any effect whether it be digital or practical is to aid the imagination in convincing you that something impossible is appearing on your screen. It's not to actually present the impossible(which by it's very definition is you know, not possible), just to suggest it and convey it to the audience...which I think these effects appear to do rather well. It clearly shows a green woman with absurdly large proportions. I respectfully disagree. I've seen a lot of higher quality CG than this. It's not a limit of the medium; it's corner cutting. She-Hulk's face looks like something out of Shrek. First thing that came to my mind. I don't expect Gollum-like quality every time, but come on Disney... You have the means to do much better. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on May 20, 2022 19:40:39 GMT -5
"She’s too skinny!" proceeds to lick Cheeto dust off fingers and takes another swig of Mtn Dew before typing into keyboard "She needs to put on moar mass!!!"
Just kidding, but for whatever reason that is what I pictured in my head whenever I heard those type of complaints online thus far. I don't understand the desire to see Taitana Maslany "bulk up" as if that would make a difference. Just like Mark Ruffalo didn't need to "bulk up" for his role as Bruce Banner. Tatiana Maslany is a slender meek woman standing at 5'4". Her comic book counterpart is an idealized muscle-bound green lady at about 7 feet. Just like Ruffalo or Josh Brolin, the characters they are portraying are completely established in the realm of the fantastical to the point that utilizing time to put on muscle mass would essentially be pointless. It's not like Portman making the leap to Jane Foster or Bautista making the leap to Drax. Maslany just needs to be around for the digital mapping, and that's it. Not at the gym. Even if she had years of training and looked max potential her body size could give her, she'd still look like a Smurf compared to the character role she's assigned.
Also, this video might help people put the issues behind the VFX in the trailer into more a more rationalized perspective. Especially for this specific character.
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Post by Randle-El on May 29, 2022 22:11:16 GMT -5
"She’s too skinny!" proceeds to lick Cheeto dust off fingers and takes another swig of Mtn Dew before typing into keyboard "She needs to put on moar mass!!!" Just kidding, but for whatever reason that is what I pictured in my head whenever I heard those type of complaints online thus far. I don't understand the desire to see Taitana Maslany "bulk up" as if that would make a difference. Just like Mark Ruffalo didn't need to "bulk up" for his role as Bruce Banner. Tatiana Maslany is a slender meek woman standing at 5'4". Her comic book counterpart is an idealized muscle-bound green lady at about 7 feet. Just like Ruffalo or Josh Brolin, the characters they are portraying are completely established in the realm of the fantastical to the point that utilizing time to put on muscle mass would essentially be pointless. It's not like Portman making the leap to Jane Foster or Bautista making the leap to Drax. Maslany just needs to be around for the digital mapping, and that's it. Not at the gym. Even if she had years of training and looked max potential her body size could give her, she'd still look like a Smurf compared to the character role she's assigned. Also, this video might help people put the issues behind the VFX in the trailer into more a more rationalized perspective. Especially for this specific character.
Agreed. You put on muscle mass for superheroes who represent idealized versions of the human physique that are within the realm of normal human proportions, and are therefore realistically obtainable. Hulk and other similar characters are so way out of normal human proportions that it's a non-starter from the get-go.
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Post by berkley on Jun 3, 2022 19:00:10 GMT -5
I don't like the character but i might try the show just because I thought Maslany was so good in Orphan Black, anything she's in gets some consideration from me.
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