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Post by shaxper on Dec 13, 2020 10:21:31 GMT -5
Well folks, Kurt informs me that he will be unable to lead the first few days of Classic Comics Christmas this year. He's had an ordeal, but assures me he is okay now and just not yet able to return to the keyboard. Please wish him a speedy return as we fire off our annual tradition. 12. Warren Ellis Primarily selected for Newuniversal, Planetary, Stormwatch, and The Authority (1997-2009) Edit: I was unaware while making this post that Ellis is at the center of over sixty accusations of sexual misconduct, some of which he has since acknowledged. I certainly don't take such alleged behavior lightly and did not intend to turn a blind eye to it here. I'm not sure this changes my relationship with his writing and where it ranks in my list of personal preferences, but I certainly don't feel right expressing any admiration for his work now without also acknowledging my utter disdain for what he appears to have done.There was a time when Ellis was pretty much all I was reading. I first discovered him in the pages of Stormwatch and The Authority. While the “wide-angle” action and jaded heroes didn't wow me, the underlying concepts—century babies, reality traversing buildings, and so much more--certainly did. Ellis was huge on imagination in a way the industry hadn't seen since the Silver Age, and yet he sold it maturely and believably. So when I subsequently discovered Planetary, I jumped onboard and had my mind suitably blown. For a moment, I thought this was the end-all, be-all of comic book storytelling, and then Ellis moseyed on over to Marvel in order to reboot the New Universe. I was squealing with fanboy glee before I even read that first issue. And when I finally had it in my hands, I definitely wasn't disappointed. Issue after issue further developed a fascinating world that reconsidered both the New Universal concept and its characters in utterly brilliant ways. The stuff Ellis was writing for Newuniversal was unbridled imagination unleashed, and it had the potential to be the apex of Ellis' career. And then it wasn't. It stopped after only a few short months. Allegedly, Ellis' hard drive crashed and he had no backups nor any desire to go back and write again from scratch. I don't believe the explanation. I think Ellis also sensed that he was on the brink of something huge and worried that he didn't have the ability to deliver on it. It's really the only explanation that makes any sense to me, especially as he went on to finally finish the long-awaited final issue of Planetary at around this same time, and it was a complete and total letdown. So I lost faith in Ellis after that and pretty much stopped seeking him out. He'd taken years to write that lackluster final issue of Planetary, and totally walked out on Newuniversal at its height. It truly seemed like, the better the story he was writing, the more likely he was going to disappoint his readers at the end, so I gave up on Ellis and stopped seeking out his work. Still, for the stories I did read, the ones that opened the floodgates of my imagination wide and left me begging for more, he gets the #12 spot.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 13, 2020 10:37:16 GMT -5
12. Paul Dini
Harley Quinn: H-he told me things, secret things he never told anyone... Batman: What did he tell you, Harley? Was it the line about the abusive father, or the one about the alcoholic mom? Of course, the runaway orphan story is particularly moving, too. He's gained a lot of sympathy with that one. Harley Quinn: Stop it!! You're making me confused! Batman: What was it he told that one parole officer? Oh, yes... 'There was only one time I ever saw Dad really happy. He took me to the ice show when I was seven...' Harley Quinn: Circus. He said it was a circus. --The Batman Adventures: Mad Love, DC, 1994
Batman: If it starts with one person, and then a neighborhood, then perhaps redemption can spread through an entire city, and finally back to me. --Batman: War on Crime, DC, 1999
Superman: I think back to my father. As a farmer, he had a natural understanding for the Earth. I remember him telling me this world is capable of providing for all its creatures. Even now, with so many more people, there exists enough food for everyone. 'The problem', Pa used to say, 'is people. As far back as we go, we've always had problems with sharing. Seems everyone's too busy holding on to what they've got to care how their neighbors are doing.' Pa said it would take a special individual with no personal agenda to make everyone realize what the world has to offer. Someone who could put his own needs aside to help the greater good. I don't pretend to think I am that person, though I have always tried to be there for others. --Superman: Peace on Earth, DC, 1999
Also recommended: Batman: Mr. Freeze, Batman: Harley Quinn
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Post by Confessor on Dec 13, 2020 10:42:49 GMT -5
Wishing you the best and hoping everything is OK, Kurt! Get back to us soon. Now, on with the show... #12 - Brian Michael Bendis (various series from 2001-2009: Alias, The Pulse, Secret Invasion, New Avengers, Spider-Woman [2009 series], The Illuminati) I know that there are plenty of folks in the forum who really dislike Brian Michael Bendis' writing, but I think he's great. To me, he's kinda like the Quentin Tarantino of comics, at least in terms of his naturalistic sounding dialogue, with all the clumsiness and pointless digressions of real-life conversation. I first became aware of Bendis on the comic Alias, back in the early 2000s, which I started picking up around issue #9, just because of the word of mouth hype. I loved that series and its central character of Jessica Jones, who is arguably one of the best, if not the best, new character to be added to the Marvel pantheon in the 21st century. After reading Alias, I also enjoyed the hell out of the other Bendis-penned series and cross-overs that I've cited above. I will say that I think Bendis is better at writing street-level superheroes/characters than he is with fictional universe-spanning epics like Secret Invasion or Siege, and much of the criticism I see online tends to be associated with his work on those larger narrative canvases. But at his best, his characters are full of humanity, his plots are gripping – and usually good for a few tasty plot-twists – and his dialogue is excellent. From Alias, issue #1 (2001)...
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 13, 2020 10:58:44 GMT -5
Wishing you the best and hoping everything is OK, Kurt! Get back to us soon. Now, on with the show... #12 - Brian Michael Bendis I know that there are plenty of folks in the forum who really dislike Brian Michael Bendis' writing, but I think he's great. I love Bendis when I love his work, and really don't when I don't. He was considered for a low spot on my list because he's written many things I love (Ultimate Spider-Man, Alias, Daredevil, Torso...), but fell off my list on the strength of the comics I don't. (especially Avengers)
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Post by DubipR on Dec 13, 2020 11:05:46 GMT -5
Well wishes to Kurt; hope everything is okay. Okay, let's wing this... #12- Alejandro JodorowskySelected works: The Incal, Metabarons, Technopriests, The Borgias, Sun of the Gun I first experienced Jodorowsky when I was thirteen, when I first encountered Heavy Metal. Like most of the stories in there, they blew my mind. As I picked up more back issues, Jodorowsky's name kept on popping up. It wasn't until I walked into a gaming store, where they sold DnD miniatures and other model kits, that the owner had a bookshelf of foreign comics. There I saw The Incal, in French. Couldn't speak a lick of it but fell in love with it. Luckily translations of his works with Moebius were available and loved his work. What makes Jodorowksy's work so great is the world building he creates. From his essays, films and life experiences, there's all sorts of symbolism, religion, and mysticism, they're all blended into his works. They're super fascinating reads of life and politics, put on paper. Also the list of artists he works with are legendary. Doing the Incal with Moebius as his first comic, you've sealed yourself as a legendary writer. Then Juan Gimenez with The Metabarons. Milo Manara with The Borgias. It's a who's who of international artists. If you haven't read any of his work, please do so. The Incal should be in everyone's library.
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Post by brutalis on Dec 13, 2020 11:14:52 GMT -5
#12-Max Allan Collins. Solely for giving the comic book world the toughest Private Dick around...Ms. Michael Tree. The hard as nails, shoot first, sort it all out later, don't take crap from any bad guy or even her friends, woman doing what was always considered a "man's" job. And she is better and tougher than most and stylish and beautiful and in heels while doing it!
Collins is willing to take on ANY subject and explore what it really means to being human. Making mistakes, false assumptions, rape, standing up for yourself, killer cults, politics, emotional loss, unexpected pregnancies, assassins, Vietnam, drugs, physical abuse, gangsters and more. You name it, Collins has likely written about it in Ms. Tree at some point.
The necessary mystery tropes are all there yet made new and relevant for today. A cast that is fully PART of the adventures with their own personal stories (actually told, explored and included) as characters which are just as important in Tree's life and job. Collins knows the detective world inside and out (go read his Nate Heller or ANY of his other mystery books/series for crying out loud, you won't be disappointed) and he uses every tool at his disposal (both good and bad at times) in delivering hard hitting, intelligent comic book stories without any capes or tights to be found.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 13, 2020 11:29:21 GMT -5
Bendis missed my list. I was even afraid his inclusion would be met with hostility.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 11:44:32 GMT -5
#12 - Scott Gray (Primarily selected for writing various Doctor Who Magazine comic strips) Born Warwick Gray in New Zealand, Scott Gray came to the UK in the early 90s. In his time, he has edited various Marvel UK titles, but I’ve selected him for his role as writer of various Doctor Who strips within the pages of Doctor Who Magazine, particularly the Eighth Doctor who was portrayed in the TV series by Sylvester McCoy from 1987 to 1989. Gray has this uncanny ability/knack to make his Doctor stories both epic in scope and deeply personal/relatable. You can be in awe of the various themes and the worlds he creates (this guy does sci-fi very well!), but there’s always something drawing you into the story on a personal level. And that’s what appeals to me the most. Worlds and universes shattering mean nothing to me if I don’t care about the personal relationships and dynamics. Without the personal stuff, it becomes the comic book equivalent of a fireworks display, leaving no lasting impression on you. Trust me, if you have even a slight affinity for Doctor Who, track down the strip “Uninvited Guest” ( Doctor Who Magazine #211), where the Doctor tangles with a group called the Eternals, who are toying with and destroying worlds. This arrogant bunch of immortals need taking down a peg or two. Who better than the Doctor? I hope someone here decides to read it, I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Here’s the Eternals, dismissing the Doctor:
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 13, 2020 12:28:39 GMT -5
12. Nicola CutiCuti scripted tons of comics, mainly horror, fantasy and other types of stories for Charlton and Warren (but also some underground comics), from the late 1960s into the early 1980s. He also worked for DC in the 1980s, writing the SF series Spanner’s Galaxy and editing the (by me beloved) digest line. He moved to other work later in the 1980s but continued to occasionally script some comics, specifically a few creator-owned properties. But the sole reason I’m including him here,though, is E-man, the delightful tongue-in-cheek superhero series he co-created with artist Joe Staton for Charlton back in 1973. E-man is a spoof of the standard, more serious superheroes published by the Big 2, and also a bit of an homage to Jack Cole’s Plastic Man. But it’s not merely derivative and it’s more than just a spoof a la Mad/Cracked/etc., as E-man, actually a naïve alien energy being, and his human companion and sidekick, Nova Kane, are well-developed and uniquely fun characters in their own right, and the original 10-issue run of the Charlton series is one I just love to revisit every once in a while. It sort of combines standard light-hearted superheroics with an underground feel. I also like that it’s very much of its time (the 1970s), but still never seems excessively dated. I love that original series so much that I had my issues bound once I collected the entire run: Cuti's input into the stories really becomes apparent if you ever read the newer E-man series published by First Comics in the early 1980s. Scripted by Martin Pasko, those stories weren't bad, but they just lacked the easy-going wit of Cut's scripts. (Cuti did return as writer near the end of that run, and also scripted all of the various E-man comics that appeared since, mainly one-shots.)
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 13, 2020 13:32:38 GMT -5
#12 Roy ThomasRoy the Boy is probably my favorite Marvel writer, of the Bronze Age, overall. There are individual works I like better; but, Roy was probably the most consistently entertaining, with both a great handle on story mechanics and character. He sort of defined the Marvel Epic (even though Stan & Jack had already done that, with Galactus), with the Kree-Skrull War, where the story kind of spilled beyond the Avengers, setting the stage for later writers, like Jims Starlin & Shooter. He was able to capture the playful tone of Stan, when he wanted to, yet give characters greater depth. He also was a great concept person, adding so many lasting characters and ideas tot he Marvel Universe. Sure, he could be wordy; even overly cute, but, it usually worked quite well. Some would go so far to argue that the popularity of Robert E Howard and Conan owes as much to Roy Thomas as it does Howard, as Roy either adapted or penned more stories than anyone. Conan was a massive seller and one of Marvel's comics to transcend audiences as it was a major favorite with African-American audiences, far more than Marvel's attempts at copying Blaxploitation films. Roy could adapt to the needs of the character and story, whether it was providing the grandeur of Asgard or the misfit collective of the X-Men, or the comic banter between Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm. Roy was the first writer to really key on the elements of the X-Men that would lead to their dominance in superhero comics, teaming with probably the best work of Neal Adams' career. When he went to DC, Roy took fan-fiction to new levels (even after Marvel) with his All-Star Squadron, a loving tribute to his beloved JSA and their contemporaries, mixing in real history along the way (though never moving past mid-1042). He gave DC a hit, right out of the gate, though it wasn't able to sustain readership. He also gave us some historical adventure, with Arak and helped give some depth to Wonder Woman, even if he was unable to reach the heights of Perez. He still laid a lot of groundwork that dug Wonder Woman out of the cliched hole she had been buried in. Roy would part ways with DC and pop up in unexpected places, such as when he and wife Dann wrote the adventures of a lost hero and his son, in Hero Comics series Captain Thunder and Blue Bolt. It was a nice modern twist on old fashioned superheroes and it was also a bit of a middle finger at the big two, as he showed them how to do a post-modern hero, and still keep the "hero" element. Roy is, first and foremost, a comics fan and he has never lost sight of what makes people fans of comics: characters and engaging plots. He has also been a tireless chronicler of the history of comics and the creators who built those stories we love.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 13, 2020 13:49:37 GMT -5
I’m surprised to see Roy Thomas this low on your list.
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 13, 2020 13:52:23 GMT -5
12. James RobinsonThere was a real battle royale for the 12th and final spot on my list, but I ultimately went with James Robinson, as he had the most and most varied projects that I enjoyed. I've heard that his more recent works after his return to writing comics haven't been universally well regarded, but back in the 90's and early 2000's he was on a roll. Though I thought Starman meandered a bit at times, Robinson pulled it back together to complete one of my favorite stories/series ever. I also was a fan of his earlier work on Firearm at Malibu, and in the Golden Age mini-series. The one that put him over the top for this selection, though, was Leave it to Chance, which I wish had gone longer than it did, especially given where it ended.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 13, 2020 14:09:47 GMT -5
Goodness, I hope Kurt is all right... Not knowing anything, we tend to imagine the worst! Here's hoping the coming days will be as ordeal-free as possible.
Returning to our scheduled program...
#12 Eddie Campbell
Yes, I know, he's mostly known for his career as a solo creator, but that's not what gets him on my list. (Besides, I never read Alec and only one TPB-worth of Bacchus. Oh, and one page in Cerebus bi-weekly. I actually don't know much about Campbell's career).
However, his run as the writer of Hellblazer #85-88 was a truly unforgettable experience for me. Beautifully illustrated by Sean Phillips (whose work I had actually quite disliked earlier in the series), Campbell's story was in a class all its own. It had the kind of obscure historical references that Umberto Eco would come up with, the irreverence of Jonathan Swift, the weird symbolism one finds in a Jodorowsky story, and the humour of a Monty Python sketch. That quartet of issues felt like a really adult comic-book story, something that one doesn't encounter very often.
You know how certain artists in the '90s did a lot of posing (mostly those who used the so-called "Image style")? I think the same thing happens with writing. Campbell was the opposite of that. His characters felt absolutely authentic, like actual people, more usually encountered in indie comics than in Marvel or DC ones (even if they're part of the Vertigo line).
I wish there had been more than those four issues, but they were enough to make me a Campbell fan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 14:35:31 GMT -5
On the first day of Christmas, Santa brought to me the works of Jan Strnad... Works that garnered his favorite status: Dalgoda, Sword of the Atom, Talos of the Wilderness Sea, and his many collaborations with Richard Corben Why I like his work: I first discovered Strnad' work on the Sword of the Atom mini-series with Gil Kane and loved the sword and sorcery vibe on a super-hero work. I thin saw his collaboration with Gilbert Hernandez in Anything Goes #1, which led me to checking out Dalgoda when I saw it. Strand's work is never generic. He captures the tone and feel of whatever genre he works in seamlessly. His horror work is distinctly horror, sword and sorcery, sci-fi, whatever, yet he retains a distinctive voice that is all his own. He's worked with a killer's row of creators as well, and brings out the best in each, and creates work that retain his voice yet also feel distinctively unique for the artist he is working with (i.e. his Corben stories retain a Strnad voice but are unmistakably Corben stories and don't feel like his stories done with Gil Kane for example, but neither loses the Strnad's voice either). That is a priceless ability when working in a collaborative field. If you haven't tried his stuff a single work I would recommend starting with is:-M
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Post by MDG on Dec 13, 2020 15:27:16 GMT -5
John Broome
Throughout my list-making, Broome and Gardner Fox kept switching placing and, after a last-minute addition, Fox got bumped off the list.
My preference for Broome is mainly for his Batman run on Detective (and Detective Chimp). His work seemed more natural than Fox, and were always good entertainment.
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