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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 9, 2021 6:26:48 GMT -5
Anderson's availability might have been a factor - isn't this the era when he took over PS magazine from Will Eisner? That's what ended the Swanderson team. I didn't know that. I loved and missed the Swanderson team. The more interviews I consume, the more I understand this was all a business to the creators. They didn't give a rats behind about the fan things that we loved. They had to pay their bills.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 9, 2021 7:48:46 GMT -5
Just because Infantino worked for Simon and Kirby doesn’t mean they were old friends. What’s the source that says they were old friends? A lot happened between 1950 and 1970. And you can’t read interviews with Infantino without noticing that he had a big ego. You also can’t help but notice that his story keeps changing. He said that he ordered the faces to be redrawn after sales plummeted on issues where Kirby drew Superman’s face, so Infantino has no choice but to bring in Plastino and Anderson. And the sales went back up and Infantino was vindicated. This didn’t happen. And it couldn't have. Kirby's faces were already being redrawn in his very first Jimmy Olsen issue for which sales figures, naturally, could not possibly be available. Unless Infantino had access to Rip Hunter's time sphere, he was lying.
Cei-U! I summon the prevaricating publisher!
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 9, 2021 10:16:33 GMT -5
Does Flippa Dippa refer to himself in the third person in every panel where he appears? Who does he think he is? Cerebus? Bob Dole?
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Post by tartanphantom on Dec 9, 2021 10:35:28 GMT -5
Does Flippa Dippa refer to himself in the third person in every panel where he appears? Who does he think he us? Cerebus? Bob Dole?
Pretty much... but saying "Flippa Dippa" is so much more fun than saying "I"... Flippa Dippa is right up there with more famous illiests... Charles DeGaulle, Mikhail Gorbachev, Karl Malone, Pele', Poirot, Gollum, Dr. Doom... Elmo, Mr. Miyagi...
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 9, 2021 12:24:14 GMT -5
Does Flippa Dippa refer to himself in the third person in every panel where he appears? Who does he think he us? Cerebus? Bob Dole?
Pretty much... but saying "Flippa Dippa" is so much more fun than saying "I"... Flippa Dippa is right up there with more famous illiests... Charles DeGaulle, Mikhail Gorbachev, Karl Malone, Pele', Poirot, Gollum, Dr. Doom... Elmo, Mr. Miyagi...
Wade Boggs, too.
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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 9, 2021 17:05:49 GMT -5
Older readers wouldn't get confused when a character was drawn with a change in the way they parted their hair). Not necessarily. My wife has trouble recognizing the characters in a newspaper comic strip from one panel to the next if the perspective changes or they aren't drawn exactly the same.
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Post by tartanphantom on Dec 9, 2021 17:17:12 GMT -5
Older readers wouldn't get confused when a character was drawn with a change in the way they parted their hair). Not necessarily. My wife has trouble recognizing the characters in a newspaper comic strip from one panel to the next if the perspective changes or they aren't drawn exactly the same.
Then there's also the Giffen factor... wherein any character drawn by Keith Giffen becomes unrecognizable except for the reference in the title of the book; primarily because of "persective". With Giffen, you get mostly extreme closeup multi-panels... an armpit here, an elbow there, unclipped nose hair and an earlobe elsewhere... off-shot disembodied dialogue everywhere...
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Post by berkley on Dec 10, 2021 0:04:18 GMT -5
I think many comic characters, as cartoon art, are distinguished by other signs and visual motifs than their facial features, which are often interchangeable from one character to another: with superhero comics of course it's the costume plus hair colour or what have you. ey even have a similar muscular build, most of them.
The weird thing to me about that DC policy of having house artists alter the faces of Kirby's characters is, why would they think that would change anything for fans who didn't like Kirby's style? As if a Superman fan was going to say, "Oh, his face looks normal, so that's all right, then." Doesn't seem likely to me.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 10, 2021 0:49:07 GMT -5
I’m up to Jimmy Olsen #138 where Perry White appears. Like Superman, Clark and Jimmy, Perry’s face is redrawn by Anderson.
Because it’s so important to maintain that artistic consistency for Perry White. We don’t want to confuse the kids by having Perry White look like he belongs in this comic instead of a cut and paste from another comic.
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Post by Farrar on Dec 11, 2021 16:08:31 GMT -5
Just because Infantino worked for Simon and Kirby doesn’t mean they were old friends. What’s the source that says they were old friends?... In Mark Evanier's great book Jack Kirby: King of Comics, when chronicling the events surrounding Kirby leaving Marvel and going to DC in 1970, Evanier writes: "Carmine Infantino was a highly respected artist and an old friend." Page 160. If that's how keeper-of-the-Kirby-flame Evanier sees it, that's good enough for me Evanier has also noted that while he (ME) was never particular fond of Infantino, over the years he'd join Kirby and infantino when they socialized. One example: "One evening at one con, I dined with him [Infantino] and Mr. and Mrs. Jack Kirby in the hotel's semi-swank dining room." ---An online article from about 4 years ago. The whole thing is a must-read for Kirby fans, but here's an excerpt (emphasis mine): "A surprise visit from an old friend changed that professional calculus and presented Kirby with the chance to fundamentally alter the way a superhero creator could operate. Seeking a new lease on life and better air quality for his asthmatic wife and youngest daughter, he had moved from his native New York to California in early 1969, and soon afterward, DC editorial director Carmine Infantino visited the Kirbys for a Passover seder. When the dining and prayers died down, Kirby brought Infantino to his office and showed off designs he’d drawn up for three potential comics series about his new gods. Infantino was awed and told Kirby he was game to bring the projects to DC." www.vulture.com/article/jack-kirby-fourth-world-steppenwolf-justice-league.html---A fascinating 1971 joint-interview with Kirby and Infantino that appeared in the fanzine Comic & Crypt #5; or as the 2 fanzine writers termed it: "more of a casual discussion, which is exactly what took place; just the four of us sitting in Carmine’s office talking with him and Jack Kirby." Kirby and Infantino seem very comfortable with one another and seem to have each other's back (IMO). This was reprinted in Comic Book Artist #1 (which is where I first came upon it, titled "The King and the Director"). Here's an excerpt: "Infantino: I could never do a sci-fi story the way he [Kirby] could. C&C interviewers: But your speed concepts and futuristic cities were amazing. Infantino: Did you see the ones he did? C&C: But you’re two different types of artists. You can’t- Infantino: This isn’t what I’m trying to say. This is not what I enjoyed the most. I enjoyed the ELONGATED MAN because of the satire in there. Well, let me say something. Back in the early days there was quite a lot wrong with my drawing and every once in a while I would go up to this fellow in the city. We’d talk and he’d help me. But the most important thing he helped me do was think, and I feel his was one of the best around. When I went up there, he used to stop his work and look at my stuff and give me suggestions. That person was Jack. Kirby: Well I’m not going to take credit for that. Carmine was and is a fine artist, but back then Joe Simon and I used to have an apartment up there. All the guys got together and I think we helped each other actually. That was the main purpose back then as none of us had a school; we became each others’ school. There were things that Carmine knew that I didn’t. It was an exchange and that’s basically how artist’ learned back then. We took standards from each other." These (below) are from Infantino, so they are biased sources. As such feel free to ignore these, but I'll include them anyway in case anyone is interested: TJKC: So you worked for Simon & Kirby for one year? CARMINE: A little more, I think, but we remained friends; the three of us were very friendly. Source: The Jack Kirby Collector #34, The Incredible Infantino Interview (2000) CARMINE INFANTINO: Jack Kirby and I were old friends. We had done that strip that never sold and, in the '50s, I worked for him and Joe Simon. While Jack was at Marvel, we would talk from time to time. In '69, I was flying back and forth to California overseeing Hanna-Barbera's work on DC's Super-Friends TV show. I called and said, "Jack, I'm coming out to California. Do you want to get together and have a drink?" He said, "Absolutely." So we did. And when we talked, he showed me these three covers. They were Forever People, New Gods, and Mister Miracle. I said, "They're sensational. When is Marvel putting them out?" He said, "They're my creations and I don't want to do them at Marvel. Would you make me an offer?" I said, "Absolutely. Source: The Amazing World of Carmine Infantino, page 110 (2001)
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 12, 2021 13:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by tartanphantom on Dec 12, 2021 14:38:55 GMT -5
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 12, 2021 15:35:35 GMT -5
Bah! I missed Kurt! Just not going to be available until after the holidays and the chitlens head back to their respective colleges.
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Post by tartanphantom on Dec 12, 2021 15:41:45 GMT -5
Bah! I missed Kurt! Just not going to be available until after the holidays and the chitlens head back to their respective colleges.
We missed you too... always love hearing your takes on "funnybooks".
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 12, 2021 18:24:19 GMT -5
I don't often look at the RIP thread, so it was a shock to learn that Greg Hatcher had passed away. He and I weren't close, but I always admired his writing skill and had tremendous respect for him as a person. The world is so much poorer without him.
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