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Post by badwolf on May 12, 2021 17:47:10 GMT -5
Yikes! I guess if I'd never seen the original they might be amusing. Nice to know Bea was a fan. Yeah that's about how I feel. I like Bea Arthur and Harvey Korman but not tempted to try any of these. None of the American remakes of British shows have felt watchable to me whenever I've seen the original first. Man About the House.The Office, .... I liked All in the Family but never saw the English show it was based on. I wonder if the reverse will hold true and I won't be able to enjoy the original, if I ever try it!
What were the classic UK shows of the 50s, if there were any, comedies or otherwise? I think I have an idea of what I want to watch from the 60s but not from the preceding decades. The only thing that springs to mind off the top of my head is the Quatermass specials. Of course on radio there was The Goon Show, I must try to find some online episodes of that sometime soon.
Now see I liked the American Office, though like all successful American shows it probably went on too long. I've never seen the original version of AITF, either.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 13, 2021 13:06:04 GMT -5
All in the Family was adapted from a series, title Till Death Do Us Part, starring Warren Mitchell, Dandy Nichols, Una Stubs, and Anthony Booth. I've never seen it; but, the basic set-up is the same: reactionary father, long-suffering wife, daughter and husband who doesn't work much.
One of the problems with seeing older British tv is the habit of wiping the tapes for re-use, causing many classic shows to be lost forever. Till Death Do Us Part is largely missing the first 3 series, before it switched to color. Doctor Who is the most famous example, with a great many episodes from William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton's years missing. A lot of the 1950s material is completely gone and the 60s are a mix.
Dixon of Dock Green was a long running favorite, with Jack Warner (Mr Jorkin in the Alistair Sim A Christmas Carol), ran from 1955-1976, about a police constable, which helped form the stereotype of the "bobbie". You have a lot of variety shows and dramas, serial like Quatermass and adaptations of things like 1984. There was The Adventures of robin Hood, with Richard Greene as Robin and the future Jerry Ledbetter and MP Jim Hacker, Paul Eddington, as Will Scarlet. That was done by ITV and distributed in the US (even Opie saw it, on the Andy Griffith Show). roger Moore starred in a series based on Ivanhoe, starting in 1958.
Commercial tv came to the UK in 1955, which did a lot to change the programming the BBC was showing, though I haven't come across anything that really illustrates what was being shown. Even the BBC's website is rather vague, talking about milestones, like broadcasting Parliament and the Queen's coronation, plus the start of the childrens program Blue Peter.
Most of what I am aware of is from the 60s and later, since more of that survived wiping and was syndicated in the US (either network or syndicated television or PBS).
Re: The Office. I like both, but they are different animals. Ricky Gervais gave them some notes about the Michael Scott character that helped define him, by saying he was a good salesman, so you can see how he has kept his job. In the UK Office, you are left to wonder about David Brent until you see him in the reunion special, actually selling (though that is offset by his attempts at staying a celebrity). The US version did go on too long and definitely should have been put to rest when Michael left, though the final season does a good job of wrapping things up for favorite characters and the final episode was quite well done, with plenty of satisfying moments for fans. The prior season was pretty dire.
One of the advantages of the British system, especially with comedies, is they have fewer episodes, so less time is spent on throwaway and filler episodes. if you are only doing between 6 and 13 episodes, you stick to the main plots and character development. Also, you tend to have the same writers for the whole series. US Network tv is 24 episodes (shorter, sometimes, for new series or replacement series), which leads to some uneven quality and larger writing staffs. Burnout is high. The US Office actually kept a large portion of its key writing staff through its run.
I have trouble, sometimes, with some 1960s British tv, especially BBC, since it is usually studio bound. It depends on the series, but, it can be hard to sit through some of the Cathy Gale episodes of the Avengers, when I was introduced to the series in the Emma Peel years. It's less an issue with comedies and more traditional dramas; but, for an adventure series, it can be a big deal. I didn't so much have a problem with it, in doctor Who, depending on how good the writing is for the story.
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Post by comicsandwho2 on May 18, 2021 22:02:32 GMT -5
The main difference between 'Til Death...' and AITF is that Alf Garnett's son-in-law was of Pakistani-British descent, so Alf used 'that insult derived from the first four letters of "Pakistan" about as much as Archie used "Meathead".
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Post by Batflunkie on May 19, 2021 11:02:12 GMT -5
codystarbuck, how do you feel about Sanford and Son then as far as American Adaptations go? While more recent, there was also a british version of That 70's Show that didn't last too long called Days Like These
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Post by codystarbuck on May 19, 2021 11:35:50 GMT -5
codystarbuck , how do you feel about Sanford and Son then as far as American Adaptations go? While more recent, there was also a british version of That 70's Show that didn't last too long called Days Like These I always liked Sanford & Son and watched it as a kid. I have never seen Steptoe & Son, so I have no comparison, as an adaptation. It was carried on the strength of Redd Foxx, as a comedian, and a really good supporting cast, with people like Demond Wilson, Pat Morita, Gregory Sierra, Lawanda Page and Whitman Mayo. The back and forth between Fred and Aunt Esther was always hilarious. Love Quincy Jones' theme for the series. Never saw Days Like These and only recently heard it existed, while checking for something related to the American series. I will say, in general, the British networks and production companies do period stuff better than the US, as they seem to give better attention to detail. The original Life on Mars felt like the 1970s, while the American version only looked like it. Same with Foyle's War; it looks and feels like the 1940s; but, if you did the same in the US, it often looks like something shot in a studio, made to look sort of like the 1940s. For instance, the recent Midway movie. They dressed them up in 1940s naval uniforms but so much just seemed off. Part of it was dialogue that had anachronistic phrases and attitudes, part of it was the heavy use of CGI, part of it is modern body types, especially female actors (most of whom look to be 20-30 lbs underweight). I don't get that feeling, as much, with British productions. One thing I did like about That 70s Show is that they didn't shove the 70s down your throat. It was there in the details, but the plots, more or less, could have been any decade. There was a realism to the plant closing in the first season, lots of hamburger dishes at dinner. The actors reminded me of older kids in school, in the 70s. When they tried to do a spin-off, That 80s Show, every joke seemed to be about the 70s. "Hey, I'm talking to you on a portable phone!" Camera shots that said look at the wacky 80s clothes. It was all wrong. Not surprising, it died a quick death.
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Post by brutalis on May 19, 2021 19:55:00 GMT -5
That 70's show is pure gold. Incredible casting, stories that truly carry the taste of growing up in the era. I and my friends (junior high through high school 1974-80) were pretty dang close to the gang except we don't have basements out here I the desert of Arizona. Really laugh out loud moments to be found during the entire run of the series. It dig drag on too long but it was fun while it lasted for those of us who survived the decade.
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Post by berkley on May 19, 2021 20:52:06 GMT -5
I grew up around that same time but for some reason I don't feel attracted by the premise or setting of the 70s Show: maybe if I gave it a chance I'd end up liking it but right now it isn't on my list of things to check out.
I think it's something like the feeling of not wanting to listen to a modern band imitating the sound of, say, "classic rock" - I'd rather just listen to the artists they're inspired by. Similarly, I'd rather watch a show from the 70s than a new show about the 70s. Then again, I loved Mad Men, so it isn't a rule carved in stone for me.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 19, 2021 23:45:55 GMT -5
I grew up around that same time but for some reason I don't feel attracted by the premise or setting of the 70s Show: maybe if I gave it a chance I'd end up liking it but right now it isn't on my list of things to check out. I think it's something like the feeling of not wanting to listen to a modern band imitating the sound of, say, "classic rock" - I'd rather just listen to the artists they're inspired by. Similarly, I'd rather watch a show from the 70s than a new show about the 70s. Then again, I loved Mad Men, so it isn't a rule carved in stone for me. It's really not about the 70s; it just happens to be in the 70s. It's really about the relationship between the friends, as well as Eric and his parents. If it weren't for the clothes and decor, you'd never know it was set in the 70s. The only time they really said it was the 70s, in capital letters and numbers, was the first season episode, revolving around them seeing Star Wars. There are subtle little nods here and there, like Jackie and Fez entering a roller disco competition; but, that's just an excuse to put Jackie and Fez together in a situation, with a wink at the fad. Really, it is less about the 70s than Happy Days was about the 50s (early on, at least). For those of us who did grow up in the 70s, there are familiar things and nostalgic nods; but, it's not so blatant that it distracts you. The producers said they felt it was the last innocent time, for kids, which is nonsense, for those of us who grew up then. You knew people who lost family in Vietnam, or you heard the news reports about Kent State or the Munich Massacre. We had Watergate. There was Patty Hearst and the SLA, Attica, Wounded Knee. You had airplane hijackings, war in the Middle east, the killing Fields of Cambodia, wars in Africa, domestic terrorist incidents, labor unrest, high crime rates, Son of Sam, etc... It was hardly an innocent time, any more than any other decade. Just look at our tv of the period. It reflected the spillover of the 60s, urban decay, crime & violence, drugs, political corruption, race relations, gender relations...you name it. They just meant that it was when they were that age (or nearabouts) and felt innocent about the world. It is really funny; but, like most successful network comedies, they tried to hang onto it past its natural lifespan and wore out their welcome. I still say Carl Reiner got it right, with the Dick Van Dyke Show: 5 seasons is a good number. It gives enough for syndication, but is short enough that you aren't endlessly repeating the same plots.
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Post by badwolf on May 20, 2021 20:00:17 GMT -5
I liked That 70s Show and even the short-lived That 80s Show, which for some reason didn't catch on.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 20, 2021 23:14:42 GMT -5
I liked That 70s Show and even the short-lived That 80s Show, which for some reason didn't catch on. With That 80s Show, I think the problem was the approach. I only watched the pilot, which was horrendous, with the bulk of the jokes built around it being the 80s, rather than deriving from the characters, as in That 70s Show, and slapstick. A lot of it was like the guy in a bar, talking to someone on a portable phone, then going on and on about talking to someone on a portable phone. I didn't watch the subsequent episodes, as I found the pilot so unfunny and the characters kind of stereotypes. Maybe it got better after the pilot. That 70s Show hit the ground running, when it debuted.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 18, 2021 9:52:38 GMT -5
Started in this week from the start of Mission Impossible watching 2 episodes a night after work. Really enjoying the tone and style of the show. Well written and intelligently clever plots, tons of classic movie and television faces and the kick of seeing the 1960's fashions and designs. It was a truly memorable show I remember from my youth in reruns.
This 1st season is all "new" for me as in syndication during the old days it was never aired as part of the viewing. Mr. Phelps being the more infamous leader of the IMF I guess they figured it was better to spotlight "his" team. Hollywood can be really dumb and condescending at times. So glad to see it all from the beginning and how very little was changed as the formula works exquisitely well as an hour getaway from reality. Spies, international intrigue, plots, schemes, manipulation all because the USA government says so. But don't get caught doing it because Uncle Sam will deny knowing you.
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Post by berkley on Jun 18, 2021 11:31:40 GMT -5
Started in this week from the start of Mission Impossible watching 2 episodes a night after work. Really enjoying the tone and style of the show. Well written and intelligently clever plots, tons of classic movie and television faces and the kick of seeing the 1960's fashions and designs. It was a truly memorable show I remember from my youth in reruns. This 1st season is all "new" for me as in syndication during the old days it was never aired as part of the viewing. Mr. Phelps being the more infamous leader of the IMF I guess they figured it was better to spotlight "his" team. Hollywood can be really dumb and condescending at times. So glad to see it all from the beginning and how very little was changed as the formula works exquisitely well as an hour getaway from reality. Spies, international intrigue, plots, schemes, manipulation all because the USA government says so. But don't get caught doing it because Uncle Sam will deny knowing you. This is one of the shows I'm most looking forward to watching or re-watching, as I was so young at the time that I don't remember much beyond the introduction with its iconic theme music. I never saw any re-runs at an older age so it'll all feel new to me while still enjoying that aura of nostalgia - the best of both worlds!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 18, 2021 22:28:10 GMT -5
I saw the first season, later, in syndication, while the show was still in prime time. It confused me a bit at first, since it wasn't Peter Graves; but, I like the first season over all of the others, thanks to really strong plots. It gets pretty formulaic from there. Later seasons, for me, are harder to watch, with the focus on "the Syndicate," rather than foreign governments and such. It's like Bond fighting drug lords in License to Kill; it's like shooting fish in a barrel for these kinds of professionals, with no rules to handicap them.
I always loved Barney having to get past some elaborate security system and that always factored into childhood fantasy games, where we would snake crawl across floors or have to cross an area without touching the floor.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 27, 2021 15:27:47 GMT -5
Laundry time so while folding and ironing put on a disc of the final season of Matt Houston. Fun little bored rich man PI series starring the good looking Lee Horsley, the scrumptious Pamela Hensley and as Matt's Uncle Roy the eternal Buddy Ebsen for the assist. Wonderfully likable cast.
Entertaining show without being overly complicated. And as with most great TV shows you have a splendid time putting names to instantly recognizable faces of elderly movie or television stars along with the mix of new fresh up and coming stars.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 27, 2021 19:24:52 GMT -5
Laundry time so while folding and ironing put on a disc of the final season of Matt Houston. Fun little bored rich man PI series starring the good looking Lee Horsley, the scrumptious Pamela Hensley and as Matt's Uncle Roy the eternal Buddy Ebsen for the assist. Wonderfully likable cast. Entertaining show without being overly complicated. And as with most great TV shows you have a splendid time putting names to instantly recognizable faces of elderly movie or television stars along with the mix of new fresh up and coming stars. I used to watch that for the first season or two. Never a huge fan, but it was entertaining. Never quite had the spark, for me, of a Rockford Files or Magnum PI. Horsely never quite had the charisma of a Robert Urich who I always enjoyed, though more as Spencer than as Dan Tana, in Vegas. Detective shows always seemed to be run by people who had an appreciation for great actors from past generations and used them well.
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