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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 14, 2022 20:42:58 GMT -5
First time I ever heard of Burke's law but it sounds like something I'll want to try. It also served to launch the tv series Honey West, with Anne Francis. She appears, as the character, on Amos Burke, before her own series.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 14, 2022 20:44:47 GMT -5
If I could pick a favourite toyline, it might be MASK. The vehicles, masks and figures were and are cool. It may need no introduction here, but MASK (Mobile Armored Strike Kommand) are a crime-fighting organization who battle VENOM (Vicious Evil Network of Mayhem). Each side has hi-tech vehicles, such as a Camaro that can fly and a plane/helicopter hybrid, and masks that can perform certain functions, e.g. one MASK agent has a mask that can project holograms, while a VENOM agent has one that fires acid. The toys are great. The comics are great (and were character-driven). The cartoon, some episodes of which I watched recently, are repetitive and do not live up the nostalgia. Rinse and repeat. VENOM steal an artefact/treasure/device, often in a foreign country, and are pursued by MASK. There is little-to-no attempt to develop the characters or provide any backstory. Which is why, as I said, the comics are better. I began to watch Season 2 recently. Now MASK and VENOM are racing each other in races around the world. VENOM try to cheat, but are stopped. MASK win the races. (VENOM do sneak in some crimes now and again) Erm, hang on. Where’s the explanation? Why are the two organisations now racing each other? Why isn’t MASK trying to capture VENOM after all their crimes from the first season? Some 80s cartoons - and I love the 80s - really did suck at continuity. I guess they were throwaway entertainment. Or extended “toy commercials”. I mean, this is just stupid. Forget me being a cynical adult, it makes no sense. Who’s organising these races? Why would a crime-fighting organisation race against a terrorist organisation? Before, during and after the races, why aren’t MASK attempting to arrest VENOM? I know, I know, Kenner did a Racing Series, so Season 2 is even more of a blatant “toy commercial” than Season 1 was. I just wish some things could live up to the nostalgia. Imagine if I could have discovered some depth while revisiting this. I am seeing depth and some character-driven stuff in episodes of G.I. Joe, Transformers, MOTU, and Thundercats. I’m not seeing anything other than a shallow toy commercial in MASK. Perfect for me when I was 5-6, but kind of sucks now. I just wish some effort could have been made, e.g. a “5 years later…” explanation, say VENOM had faced jail time, were let out, and as part of their parole, were required to race MASK for charity. Or something like that. Not an uncommon thing, with series, to retool it. That second season sounds like they were ripping off Speed Racer.
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Post by berkley on Jul 14, 2022 23:24:22 GMT -5
First time I ever heard of Burke's law but it sounds like something I'll want to try. It also served to launch the tv series Honey West, with Anne Francis. She appears, as the character, on Amos Burke, before her own series. Interesting - I just read the first of the Honey West books a few months ago, so I've been looking forward to trying the tv show later on. Was Amos Burke a book series too before the tv series?
What are some of the other early classic American detective shows? I'm thinking of the 1950s and early '60s. I've seen a few episodes of the 1950s Dragnet, and I've heard about Johnny Staccato, which I should be taking a look at soon. Perry Mason - I think that counts, even though he was a lawyer. Last I checked, they didn't have as much on youtube as I would have expected,though. I'm looking forward to watching some Peter Gunn, with the famous Henry Mancini theme song.
Looking at my list of tv series to try, I see I've put down something called The Detectives, but I can't remember now where I heard of it or why I thought I might want to see it.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 15, 2022 0:01:38 GMT -5
It also served to launch the tv series Honey West, with Anne Francis. She appears, as the character, on Amos Burke, before her own series. Interesting - I just read the first of the Honey West books a few months ago, so I've been looking forward to trying the tv show later on. Was Amos Burke a book series too before the tv series?
What are some of the other early classic American detective shows? I'm thinking of the 1950s and early '60s. I've seen a few episodes of the 1950s Dragnet, and I've heard about Johnny Staccato, which I should be taking a look at soon. Perry Mason - I think that counts, even though he was a lawyer. Last I checked, they didn't have as much on youtube as I would have expected,though. I'm looking forward to watching some Peter Gunn, with the famous Henry Mancini theme song.
Looking at my list of tv series to try, I see I've put down something called The Detectives, but I can't remember now where I heard of it or why I thought I might want to see it.
I pulled this list from my DVD collection that might fit your criteria. You can double-check on IMDB, many I have not watched as yet. They should all be crime shows of some type from the 50's and 60's 87th Precinct Checkmate Coronado 9 Decoy Defenders Hennesey M Squad Man With A Camera Mr, And Mrs. North Naked City Peter Gunn Untouchables I also have been able to digitally download the complete 77 Sunset Strip
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Post by berkley on Jul 15, 2022 1:17:45 GMT -5
Interesting - I just read the first of the Honey West books a few months ago, so I've been looking forward to trying the tv show later on. Was Amos Burke a book series too before the tv series?
What are some of the other early classic American detective shows? I'm thinking of the 1950s and early '60s. I've seen a few episodes of the 1950s Dragnet, and I've heard about Johnny Staccato, which I should be taking a look at soon. Perry Mason - I think that counts, even though he was a lawyer. Last I checked, they didn't have as much on youtube as I would have expected,though. I'm looking forward to watching some Peter Gunn, with the famous Henry Mancini theme song.
Looking at my list of tv series to try, I see I've put down something called The Detectives, but I can't remember now where I heard of it or why I thought I might want to see it.
I pulled this list from my DVD collection that might fit your criteria. You can double-check on IMDB, many I have not watched as yet. They should all be crime shows of some type from the 50's and 60's 87th Precinct Checkmate Coronado 9 Decoy Defenders Hennesey M Squad Man With A Camera Mr, And Mrs. North Naked City Peter Gunn Untouchables I also have been able to digitally download the complete 77 Sunset Strip
Thanks, there are quite a few in that list that I never heard of before, so lots to check out. I won't try to see all of them right away but it's good to have a selection to choose from.
I watched a few episodes of Man with a Camera on youtube recently - pretty good, and of course interesting to see a young Charles Bronson in a starring role that early in his career.
I remember seeing 77 Sunset Strip as a young kid and I think also the Defenders - I assume they must have kept showing them in re-runs on Canadian tv later in the 1960s because I would have been too young to remember them from their original runs. Untouchables played in repeats well into the 1970s, so I probably won't re-watch that one for a while yet.
M Squad will be one I might try sooner rather than later - didn't know until now that this was the role that first made Lee Marvin well known, before his film work, according to wiki.
I never heard of Coronado 9 before but it looks interesting too - maybe just because of the colour stills.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 4:51:43 GMT -5
If I could pick a favourite toyline, it might be MASK. The vehicles, masks and figures were and are cool. It may need no introduction here, but MASK (Mobile Armored Strike Kommand) are a crime-fighting organization who battle VENOM (Vicious Evil Network of Mayhem). Each side has hi-tech vehicles, such as a Camaro that can fly and a plane/helicopter hybrid, and masks that can perform certain functions, e.g. one MASK agent has a mask that can project holograms, while a VENOM agent has one that fires acid. The toys are great. The comics are great (and were character-driven). The cartoon, some episodes of which I watched recently, are repetitive and do not live up the nostalgia. Rinse and repeat. VENOM steal an artefact/treasure/device, often in a foreign country, and are pursued by MASK. There is little-to-no attempt to develop the characters or provide any backstory. Which is why, as I said, the comics are better. I began to watch Season 2 recently. Now MASK and VENOM are racing each other in races around the world. VENOM try to cheat, but are stopped. MASK win the races. (VENOM do sneak in some crimes now and again) Erm, hang on. Where’s the explanation? Why are the two organisations now racing each other? Why isn’t MASK trying to capture VENOM after all their crimes from the first season? Some 80s cartoons - and I love the 80s - really did suck at continuity. I guess they were throwaway entertainment. Or extended “toy commercials”. I mean, this is just stupid. Forget me being a cynical adult, it makes no sense. Who’s organising these races? Why would a crime-fighting organisation race against a terrorist organisation? Before, during and after the races, why aren’t MASK attempting to arrest VENOM? I know, I know, Kenner did a Racing Series, so Season 2 is even more of a blatant “toy commercial” than Season 1 was. I just wish some things could live up to the nostalgia. Imagine if I could have discovered some depth while revisiting this. I am seeing depth and some character-driven stuff in episodes of G.I. Joe, Transformers, MOTU, and Thundercats. I’m not seeing anything other than a shallow toy commercial in MASK. Perfect for me when I was 5-6, but kind of sucks now. I just wish some effort could have been made, e.g. a “5 years later…” explanation, say VENOM had faced jail time, were let out, and as part of their parole, were required to race MASK for charity. Or something like that. Not an uncommon thing, with series, to retool it. That second season sounds like they were ripping off Speed Racer. Not uncommon, you’re right, but someone should have come up with a good storyline to retool it. Making a fast buck in order to sell racing toys and telling a good story should not be mutually exclusive, I feel.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 15, 2022 10:18:30 GMT -5
I pulled this list from my DVD collection that might fit your criteria. You can double-check on IMDB, many I have not watched as yet. They should all be crime shows of some type from the 50's and 60's 87th Precinct Checkmate Coronado 9 Decoy Defenders Hennesey M Squad Man With A Camera Mr, And Mrs. North Naked City Peter Gunn Untouchables I also have been able to digitally download the complete 77 Sunset Strip
Thanks, there are quite a few in that list that I never heard of before, so lots to check out. I won't try to see all of them right away but it's good to have a selection to choose from.
I watched a few episodes of Man with a Camera on youtube recently - pretty good, and of course interesting to see a young Charles Bronson in a starring role that early in his career.
I remember seeing 77 Sunset Strip as a young kid and I think also the Defenders - I assume they must have kept showing them in re-runs on Canadian tv later in the 1960s because I would have been too young to remember them from their original runs. Untouchables played in repeats well into the 1970s, so I probably won't re-watch that one for a while yet.
M Squad will be one I might try sooner rather than later - didn't know until now that this was the role that first made Lee Marvin well known, before his film work, according to wiki.
I never heard of Coronado 9 before but it looks interesting too - maybe just because of the colour stills.
There was also a Mike Hammer series, with Darren McGavin, as Hammer. Robert Conrad starred in one, called Hawaiian Eye. Amos Burke, as far as I know, did not originate in fiction; but, Dick Powell played the character in his own series, The Dick Powell Show. His production company produced Burke's Law.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 16, 2022 9:24:02 GMT -5
The best thing about Burke's Law so far is the amount of guest stars they pack into each episode. Here's the list so far:
Ep 1- William Bendix, Rod Cameron, Cedric Hardwicke, Suzy Parker, Zazu Pitts Ep 2- Jim Backus, Elizabeth Montgomery, Dina Merrill, Soupy Sales and Mel Blanc's voice Ep 3- Mary Astor, Zsa Zsa Gabor, John Saxon, Paul Lynde, Lizabeth Scott, Chill Wills Ep 4- Joan Blondell, Barbara Eden, Don Rickels, Ruth Roman, Juliet Prowse, Eva Gabor, Gene Nelson
The stories are decent, nothing special. A body is found, Gene Barry gets a call which interrupts his millionaire activities, his Philippino chaeuffer drives him in his Rolls Royce to the crime scene. Gene barry is joined by his young ambitios assistant, Gary Conway, who's a walking encyclopedia. They interview various people and the murder is solved before the final commercial. At least it has it's moments of light humor
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 17, 2022 15:24:24 GMT -5
Today's episode of Burke's Law was quite special
It was written by Harlan Ellison and co-starred Sammy Davis Jr, Burgess Meredith, Arlene Dahl and Diana Dors. Burke gets a phone call at home to report to a crime scene. As usual, he calls out for his Philipino chauffer who is in his pajamas "Never had aggravation like this when I worked for Green Hornet." One of the chief suspects is a woman named Miss Cato This was a few years before the Green Hornet TV series so Harlan was obviously a fan of the Green Hornet pulps or original comic book The Sammy Davis Jr character was named Cordwainer Bird which Harlan used as an alias when unhappy with the edits on his scripts Plus a nice rolling and tumbling girl cat fight with Diana Dors
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 17, 2022 17:11:40 GMT -5
Today's episode of Burke's Law was quite special It was written by Harlan Ellison and co-starred Sammy Davis Jr, Burgess Meredith, Arlene Dahl and Diana Dors. Burke gets a phone call at home to report to a crime scene. As usual, he calls out for his Philipino chauffer who is in his pajamas "Never had aggravation like this when I worked for Green Hornet." One of the chief suspects is a woman named Miss Cato This was a few years before the Green Hornet TV series so Harlan was obviously a fan of the Green Hornet pulps or original comic book The Sammy Davis Jr character was named Cordwainer Bird which Harlan used as an alias when unhappy with the edits on his scripts Plus a nice rolling and tumbling girl cat fight with Diana Dors Um..........Green Hornet started in radio, not the pulp magazines. In fact, he was never adapted into the pulps; only comics and Big Little Books, until the tv series came out. Harlan was most likely a fan of the radio series, first, and, possibly, the serials, second. They were actually a bit different, than average, as The Green Hornet and Kato battle against a criminal organization, but each chapter has them fighting a different segment of the larger group, rather than the more repetitive Republic-style serial, where you fight the same bunch of goons each chapter and end up in a cliffhanger. They would defeat the gang of the episode, then move onto the next, until wrapping things up in the final chapter, with the top dog. This structure was used for both serials. Keye Luke, Charlie Chan's Number One Son, Lee Chan (and Master Po, in Kung Fu and the voice of Zoltar, in Battle of the Planets), was Kato in both, the only returning actor. The radio series was a pretty big deal, in its day (1936 to 1950, before a brief return, in 1952), just behind The Lone Ranger, which featured the same creator and broadcaster.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 17, 2022 17:27:17 GMT -5
Latest Columbo, last night, "Mind over Mayhem," had Jose Ferrer, who murders Lew Ayres, to hide plagiarism by his son, Charlie X (Robert Walker Jr). The episode also features Robbie the Robot, from Forbidden Planet and boy genius Steve Spelberg (played by then-child actor Lee Montgomery, who started out in Disney's the Million Dollar Duck, but had a good career through the 70s and into the 80s). Steven Spielberg had directed the first series episode (after two telemovie specials), "Murder By the Book," from a script by Stephen Bochco and creators William Levinson and Richard Link. Bochco wrote the teleplay, here, along with Dean Hargrove and Roland Kibee.
That's an Academy Award winner, in Ferrer (Cyrano De Bergerac), and a nominee, in Ayres (Johnny Belinda). Also features Jessica Walters, as Lew Ayres younger wife and therapist for Walker.
The previous episode, "Publish or Perish," had Jack Cassidy murder Mickey Spillane (well, commission the murder, then murder the hired killer). Also featured Mariett Hartley.
It's funny how Hollywood would always say fim actors wouldn't touch tv; and, yet, they would for well written shows, like the Twilight Zone of Playhouse 90, or Burke's Law or Columbo. Or even I Love Lucy!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 17, 2022 17:57:16 GMT -5
ps Just got my dvds for Babylon Berlin, the German tv series, based on the detective novels, about a police detective in berlin, during the Weimar Republic. Much of the plot revolves around the street fighting, between the Communists and National Socialists, and the hatred of both for the ruling Social Democrats. The hero, Gereon Rath (Volker Bruch), is a detective from Cologne, investigating the blackmail of a government official, for his father, that leads him to Berlin and a brothel, run from underneath a nightclub, controlled by an Armenian gangster. Said Gangster seems to have ties to a mysterious doctor, who treats war veterans, suffering from PTSD. Rath is a veteran of the trenches and suffers PTSD, for which he takes morphine, from small glass vials. He is aided by stenographer Charlotte Ritter, who also moonlights as a prostitute, in the brothel, when not partying the night away with the rest, as the German economy is decimated by the demands of the Treaty of Versaille and the devaluation of the German Mark. There is also an arms manufacturer who is involved with a conspiracy to bring in a railcar of mustard gas, from Russia, for the Black Reichswehr (secret German military formations, in violation of the treaty, in conjunction with Freikorps militia groups, like the Nazi SA). The series features Weimar nightlife, with the Moka Efti as a centerpiece, with Brian Ferry providing some of the music, in period style.....
It's recent, featured on Netflix, with the 3 seasons shown now on DVD, from Kino Lorber. Season 4 has completed production and is supposed to appear this year.
This is great stuff, mixing all kinds of influences, from Berlin Alexanderplatz, to Cabaret, to The Cabinet of Dr Caligari and the Mabuse serials and films of Fritz Lang, to actual history of the Weimar Republic and the rise of the Nazis. It also features elements drawn from actual police history, as Weimar Germany was plagued by several serial killers and noted German police detective, Ernst Gennat, who led the Berlin Criminal Police and was instrumental in the case of serial killer Peter Kurten, who was an inspiration for the killer in Lang's M (and Gannat was an inspiritation for Inspektor Lohmann, in that film and The Testament of Dr Mabuse).
This is recent stuff; but a modern classic, in my mind. Co-creator Tom Tykwer also directed Run Lola, Run, a film that features a young woman who has to help her boyfriend, who is in trouble with a criminal gang, after he loses a cash payment to the gang. the film features alternate versions of the story, depending on decisions at different points, like a choose-your-own-adventure book. You also see snippets of the lives of people she bumps into. The film featured Franke Portente, who played the woman who encounters Matt Damon, in The Bourne Identity. Babylon Berlin is more traditional, yet makes great use of innovative camera angles and storytelling ideas.
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2022 18:27:34 GMT -5
I'll definitely be giving Burke's Law a look once I make my way out of the late 1950s into the early 60s. Babylon Berlin is on my list too.
I'm thinking of giving Inspector Morse a try, as part of the late 1980s/early-90s viewing I've been doing lately. I've never really been drawn to it but I keep reading that it's one of the best or most popular British detective shows of all time so I'll probably watch the first episode at least.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 17, 2022 21:23:38 GMT -5
Latest Columbo, last night, "Mind over Mayhem," had Jose Ferrer, who murders Lew Ayres, to hide plagiarism by his son, Charlie X (Robert Walker Jr). The episode also features Robbie the Robot, from Forbidden Planet and boy genius Steve Spelberg (played by then-child actor Lee Montgomery, who started out in Disney's the Million Dollar Duck, but had a good career through the 70s and into the 80s). Steven Spielberg had directed the first series episode (after two telemovie specials), "Murder By the Book," from a script by Stephen Bochco and creators William Levinson and Richard Link. Bochco wrote the teleplay, here, along with Dean Hargrove and Roland Kibee. That's an Academy Award winner, in Ferrer (Cyrano De Bergerac), and a nominee, in Ayres (Johnny Belinda). Also features Jessica Walters, as Lew Ayres younger wife and therapist for Walker. The previous episode, "Publish or Perish," had Jack Cassidy murder Mickey Spillane (well, commission the murder, then murder the hired killer). Also featured Mariett Hartley. It's funny how Hollywood would always say fim actors wouldn't touch tv; and, yet, they would for well written shows, like the Twilight Zone of Playhouse 90, or Burke's Law or Columbo. Or even I Love Lucy! Um, but none of the folks you mention here, though all fine actors, were at the time anything close to movie stars, just like those on the rosters Ish Kabbible posted for those "Burke's Law" episodes. Ferrer had a name and a rep as a "distinguished actor," but he'd been all over TV since 1964. Hell, he was the narrator for some episodes of "Bewitched." I clearly remember him as the star of "The Marcus-Nelson Murders," which was a big TV movie event when it premiered in 1973 or so and served as the introduction of the Kojak character. Ayres' career had suffered a hit because of his CO status in the war, even though he'd distinguished himself as a medic in the South Pacific, and he made just a few movies after the war, including "Belinda," in which was very good; he took primarily to TV by 1954, though and was on constantly. I think his turn as the vice-president in 1962 in "Advise and Consent" was probably his last notable movie role. Cassidy was never a movie star, but again, a constant presence on TV shows for years, also going back to the 50s. So you're right, in those days,"movie stars" didn't do TV, but former and future stars of both movies and TV did, in droves. Same thing with "Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island" and other similar shows. Watch any "Perry Mason" and you're bound to see some of each. Of the former, you'll mostly see character actors, from Westerns, genre pictures and radio as well. Fay Wray appeared a few times, as did Neil Hamilton, Dick Foran, Julie Adams and Nancy Gates. Bette Davis even took a turn as a sub for Mason when Burr was in the hospital, as did Michael Rennie and Barry Sullivan. In the latter group, you'll see the likes of Robert Redford, James Coburn, Gavin McLeod and Gary Collins. Star Raymond Burr and his producer, a former top actress named Gail Patrick, were justly celebrated for their loyalty and long memories for the regular cast and for older actors who needed work as the weekly guest stars and supporting players. They also stacked the casts with beauty queens and contestants. I've developed a real affection for this show, which was too difficult for me to follow when I watched it at my aunt's house as a kid, but I've found it enjoyable now. It has aged well in many ways.
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2022 23:44:51 GMT -5
Latest Columbo, last night, "Mind over Mayhem," had Jose Ferrer, who murders Lew Ayres, to hide plagiarism by his son, Charlie X (Robert Walker Jr). The episode also features Robbie the Robot, from Forbidden Planet and boy genius Steve Spelberg (played by then-child actor Lee Montgomery, who started out in Disney's the Million Dollar Duck, but had a good career through the 70s and into the 80s). Steven Spielberg had directed the first series episode (after two telemovie specials), "Murder By the Book," from a script by Stephen Bochco and creators William Levinson and Richard Link. Bochco wrote the teleplay, here, along with Dean Hargrove and Roland Kibee. That's an Academy Award winner, in Ferrer (Cyrano De Bergerac), and a nominee, in Ayres (Johnny Belinda). Also features Jessica Walters, as Lew Ayres younger wife and therapist for Walker. The previous episode, "Publish or Perish," had Jack Cassidy murder Mickey Spillane (well, commission the murder, then murder the hired killer). Also featured Mariett Hartley. It's funny how Hollywood would always say fim actors wouldn't touch tv; and, yet, they would for well written shows, like the Twilight Zone of Playhouse 90, or Burke's Law or Columbo. Or even I Love Lucy! Um, but none of the folks you mention here, though all fine actors, were at the time anything close to movie stars, just like those on the rosters Ish Kabbible posted for those "Burke's Law" episodes. Ferrer had a name and a rep as a "distinguished actor," but he'd been all over TV since 1964. Hell, he was the narrator for some episodes of "Bewitched." I clearly remember him as the star of "The Marcus-Nelson Murders," which was a big TV movie event when it premiered in 1973 or so and served as the introduction of the Kojak character. Ayres' career had suffered a hit because of his CO status in the war, even though he'd distinguished himself as a medic in the South Pacific, and he made just a few movies after the war, including "Belinda," in which was very good; he took primarily to TV by 1954, though and was on constantly. I think his turn as the vice-president in 1962 in "Advise and Consent" was probably his last notable movie role. Cassidy was never a movie star, but again, a constant presence on TV shows for years, also going back to the 50s. So you're right, in those days,"movie stars" didn't do TV, but former and future stars of both movies and TV did, in droves. Same thing with "Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island" and other similar shows. Watch any "Perry Mason" and you're bound to see some of each. Of the former, you'll mostly see character actors, from Westerns, genre pictures and radio as well. Fay Wray appeared a few times, as did Neil Hamilton, Dick Foran, Julie Adams and Nancy Gates. Bette Davis even took a turn as a sub for Mason when Burr was in the hospital, as did Michael Rennie and Barry Sullivan. In the latter group, you'll see the likes of Robert Redford, James Coburn, Gavin McLeod and Gary Collins. Star Raymond Burr and his producer, a former top actress named Gail Patrick, were justly celebrated for their loyalty and long memories for the regular cast and for older actors who needed work as the weekly guest stars and supporting players. They also stacked the casts with beauty queens and contestants. I've developed a real affection for this show, which was too difficult for me to follow when I watched it at my aunt's house as a kid, but I've found it enjoyable now. It has aged well in many ways.
You mean Perry Mason? I think I will try to watch a few episodes next time I'm doing 1950s stuff.
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