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Post by driver1980 on Aug 10, 2024 13:41:03 GMT -5
I started watching Quincy, M.E. (DVD) several days ago. As I’m sure you all know, it stars Jack Klugman as an LA County medical examiner who often finds himself at odds with the LAPD and his boss, Dr Asten. What often seem like clear-cut cases often take an interesting turn when Quincy questions the evidence. For instance, one episode saw a famous celebrity found dead from what appears to be cirrhosis, but despite her heavy drinking, Quincy believes it is murder; another episode saw Quincy question a death which was recorded as a sting by a stonefish, but which he believes is murder. It’s very, very watchable, and I am enjoying it. I love seeing Quincy piss off his boss and the police lieutenant, Monahan. I suppose I could question why Dr. Asten and Lt. Monahan continually doubt and obstruct Quincy. I mean, on every occasion he has been 100% right to have questioned things, leading to justice for the victims. But Asten and Monahan never say, “Let’s assist him on this, he’s been proven right every time.” No, they accuse him of obstructing justice, delaying paperwork, etc. I suppose, though, that that is what makes the show work. It’d be boring if they endorsed his views every time. I suppose the fun is in seeing him tie them up in knots and fall out with them. Incidentally, I believe physical media still has a place. Shows like this are not on streaming services, although maybe you could rent them via Prime (but I stopped using Amazon due to them pissing me off with the changes to comiXology; does that even exist as an entity now?). So until lots of classic shows are all over our streaming platforms, I am glad that this is on DVD. You might enjoy this (assuming it isn't blocked in your region)... Thank you, I can see that one.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 10, 2024 15:22:04 GMT -5
Incidentally, I saw a post on social media which stated Kojak inspired The Sweeney. I mean, most detective shows have overlap (car chases, shoot-outs, gritty realism, etc.). But as for specifically influencing and inspiring something? I don’t know, I think that’s too cliché an argument.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 10, 2024 16:30:16 GMT -5
Incidentally, I saw a post on social media which stated Kojak inspired The Sweeney. I mean, most detective shows have overlap (car chases, shoot-outs, gritty realism, etc.). But as for specifically influencing and inspiring something? I don’t know, I think that’s too cliché an argument. That is a mistake, probably based on a passage in the wikipedia article, about The Sweeney. The Sweeney began life as Regan, a 90 minute tele-movie, in Armchair Cinema, for Thames Television. It was written with John Thaw in mind, after he had worked with creator Ian Kennedy Martin on the series Redcap, about the military police. That was successful and led to the series. Martin envisioned the series being more studio bound, in the police rooms, but other producers, inspired by Get Carter and The French Connection, wanted filming outdoors and car chases and such. It also embraced the idea that the police don't always win, and the reality of violence on the streets. It also made reference to other productions and, in the second series episode, "The Golden Fleece," Regan pulls out a lollipop, as a reference to Kojak, which featured a similar hard-edged style. There was also an episode where he whistles the theme of Dixon of Dock Green. The Sweeney was not directly influenced by Kojak, but, they had similar takes on crime fiction and they made references to cultural things. Your poster didn't read the whole passage and took the reference to Kojak to mean Kojak inspired the series. Kojak started as a made-for-tv movie, about a murder of two women, inspired by a real case of two female roommates, who were brutally murdered and one was sexually assaulted. The case gathered a lot of attention and police were pressured to catch the criminal and ended up arresting and ultimately convicting the wrong man, an African American, who spent the next two years clearing his name. the case was instrumental in the Supreme Courts Miranda ruling, requiring the police to make a suspect aware of their Constitutional rights to have an attorney present during questioning and that they were not obligated to answer police questions, as it might incriminate them. That film, The Marcus-Nelson Murders, was successful and lead to the Kojak tv series, though they changed the spelling of Telly Savalas' character name. The series began after the ban on cigarette ads and to cut down on cigarettes being lit up, they started to have Kojak pull out a Tootsie Pop and pop it in hi mouth and use it to emphasize points, when speaking. This became a trademark, along with the catchphrase, "Who loves you, baby?" Similarly, The Sweeney was noted for its rhyming slang and phrases like "Your nicked!" Those elements were copied in other police shows of the era and after and became part of pop culture and parody, similar to Kojak. Once again, context is everything, a point often missed on social media.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 10, 2024 16:41:31 GMT -5
Thanks Cody. You’re right, context is often missed in all kinds of ways.
I see similar clichéd arguments about how Knight Rider begat Airwolf, and Airwolf begat Street Hawk. It’s like a poster has seen 3 pictures of hi-tech black vehicles and implied they were all alike.
I know there’s overlap, e.g. all 3 shows featuring black vehicles ahead of their time, and with drivers/pilots/riders often working outside the system, but there are a lot of differences, too (I’m a huge fan of all 3 shows). Michael Knight was working for a legal foundation that tacked villains too big to fail, Stringfellow Hawke was piloting Airwolf on plausible deniability missions in return for the government working to locate his MIA brother, Jesse Mach was leading a double life as a cop turned PR guy in the day, vigilante at night. For all the similarities one can find, there are many differences.
But like with what you have shown, it seems some will find a few passages or pictures and see links where there aren’t any.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 10, 2024 20:28:55 GMT -5
Thanks Cody. You’re right, context is often missed in all kinds of ways. I see similar clichéd arguments about how Knight Rider begat Airwolf, and Airwolf begat Street Hawk. It’s like a poster has seen 3 pictures of hi-tech black vehicles and implied they were all alike. I know there’s overlap, e.g. all 3 shows featuring black vehicles ahead of their time, and with drivers/pilots/riders often working outside the system, but there are a lot of differences, too (I’m a huge fan of all 3 shows). Michael Knight was working for a legal foundation that tacked villains too big to fail, Stringfellow Hawke was piloting Airwolf on plausible deniability missions in return for the government working to locate his MIA brother, Jesse Mach was leading a double life as a cop turned PR guy in the day, vigilante at night. For all the similarities one can find, there are many differences. But like with what you have shown, it seems some will find a few passages or pictures and see links where there aren’t any. Well, that example is direct influence. Success breeds imitation, in Hollywood (and publishing) and you get everyone rushing to put out the same thing, to capture the same audience. If you are lucky, you get creative people who do something different with the idea. The basic core concept is the same in all three: a young hero uses a high tech vehicle to help out people in trouble. The fact that they are outside the main system makes them sort of rebels, which is always good, as it generates conflict for stories. From there, you get different approaches, though, I have to say, what I saw of Street Hawk, it was pretty obvious, at the start, that it was trying to be Knight Rider. Same with Viper. Airwolf, on the other hand, was going in a much different route, right from the pilot movie. First, Dr Moffet, the creator of the Airwolf attack helicopter, steals it and offers his services to Libya, in exchange for money and luxury (and power), after feeling his work wasn't sufficiently appreciated, by The Firm. So, Archangel goes to the one pilot he knows that could go into a dangerous area, get aboard the helicopter and fly it back out: Stringfellow Hawk. He uses his aid and pilot, Gabrielle, to help entice Stringfellow. Money means nothing to him, as he seems to have enough to live on; and, the paintings on his walls suggest he came from money. He wants the Firm to use its resources to locate his brother, St John, who was declared MIA, in Vietnam. That is their bargain. He pulls it off, but Gabrielle is murdered, by Moffet, when she goes in under cover. String recruits friend and mentor Dominic Santini to help, as a flight engineer and co-pilot. They get the aircraft out, but String doesn't trust The Firm and keeps Airwolf to force them to live up to their bargain. Archangel makes a counter-bargain of String being a freelance agent. On the surface, you have the hero using high tech machine to aid people in trouble, though there is an espionage aspect to it. Knight Rider occasionally dabbled in that, but not as much. Also, Michael Knight wasn't the rebel that Stringfellow Hawk was, nor as serious. It was a lighter show, aimed at a younger audience. Airwolf, at least at the start, was a little bit edgier, a little more serious, a bit more mature. Also, the AI voice of Kitt played for comedy and gave Michael someone to talk to, in the car. Dominic allowed for more character moments and there was humor, but in far smaller proportions. Like I say, I didn't really watch Street Hawk, after its debut. I didn't think much of Rex Smith, as an actor (still don't) and it seemed to be cherry picking from the other projects. Airwolf had more in common with Blue Thunder; but, it was more logical that a machine like that would be a government/military project and not a law enforcement vehicle. All three shows were built around stunts, but Airwolf didn't need convenient ramps all the time. The enemy did seem to buy all of their helicopters from Hughes Aircraft, though, and be destroyed in the exact same manner. I was in high school, when Knight Rider and Airwolf started; and, college when Street Hawk debuted. Knight Rider was okay, but a little too jokey, for my tastes, and it came across more as a kid show. Airwolf was more serious and it appealed more. Street Hawk just looked like a knockoff, that died a quick death. From what I have read, it sounds like it was way more popular in overseas markets than it was here. All three did make use of synth scores, though that was a reflection of the time. Street Hawk had Christopher Franke, of Tangerine Dream, who later did the Babylon 5 score. Knight Rider had Stu Phillips, who had worked with producer Glen Larson, on Battlestar Galactica. Airwolf had Sylvester Levay, who had created pop hits and film music, including Scarface and worked with Giorgio Moroder, on Flashdance. If you look at the openings though, you can see Strrek Hawk is really trying to be like Knight Rider, while Airwolf is more its own thing. Donald Bellisario, the producer, had worked as a writer and producer on Larson's show, before going out on his own. His shows tended to put more into writing and character than Larson. Compare the openings of Knight Rider and Street Hawk, where both use narration to explain the premise of the show.... It doesn't help that they used Ernie Anderson, for the narration. Anderson was a network announcer, famous for his intros to The Love Boat, as well as his work for CBS and The Carol Burnett Show. He sounded too much like a pitch man. Knight Rider had Richard Basehart, who sounded more like someone involved in a project, briefing you. It helped that he played Wilton Knight, the man behind KITT, in the pilot. Now, compare that to Airwolf..... No selling of the premise, just the screen graphics and clips from the pilot and series, with a lot of awesome looking shots. It said spies, intrigue, and blowing s@#$ out of the sky! So, yeah, different shows, but Knight Rider and Airwolf have little in common, while Street Hawk can't help but look like a copy. It also wasn't helped by low rent casting. Joe Regalbuto was a character actor who appeared in a ton of tv, in supporting role, but mostly low budget films, like Sword and the Sorcerer and Lassiter. Murphy Brown was probably his biggest claim to fame. Rex Smith was a pretty boy singer, who had been on Broadway, but as an actor, he made a fine singer. If Street Hawk was going to feature him in musical numbers, on the motorcycle, then I might have cast him; but, not for an action-adventure show. His Daredevil was pretty bad, too. Not Thor bad, but not good. Hoff was at least cheesy fun, as Nick Fury. That's the thing, he is a terrible actor; but he has a charisma and you just can't help liking the guy, in dumb things. Jan Michael Vincent was a serious actor, who had a ton of potential, right from the start; but, blew it on drugs and alcohol.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 11, 2024 6:54:42 GMT -5
codystarbuck wrote this: Makes me laugh. There was an episode where Hawke piloted Airwolf against Redwolf, a virtually identical helicopter (although Redwolf had a red undercarriage and had a laser). Naturally, Redwolf was destroyed, but when the explosion happened, it sure as hell looked like the same civilian helicopter we’d seen a dozen times before. There was also repeated use of crop duster footage. At least 3 bad guys had a crop duster aircraft with guns attached. It did make the later episodes seem samey, we could play a drinking game of “spot the stock footage”. I wonder why those super-vehicle shows “died out”. I know we had some in the 90s, including the rather mediocre Thunder in Paradise, but that sub-genre, if it can be called that, seems to be extinct. I’m surprised that Hollywood hasn’t remade Airwolf because more obscure shows than that have been remade. I still feel some of those super-vehicle shows were ahead of their time. I mean, Michael Knight had what we would now call a smart watch, and KITT appeared to have SatNav. Seems technology has caught up with fiction, although are bulletproof tyres even a thing? KITT seemed able to make “his” tyres shrug off any bullets. Street Hawk’s “Hyperthrust” 300mph speed seems to be still a fictional thing (Google reveals the fastest motorcycle speed is 250mph). And I can’t imagine a supersonic helicopter ever being a thing, at least not like it was explained in Airwolf. I used to like the “Whisper Mode” as seen in Blue Thunder, another favourite of mine. I did read that Eurocopter had - or has - developed something that can quieten a helicopter’s blades, although I doubt it’s anywhere near what we saw in that show. I have to say, although I enjoyed the super-vehicle shows for their action, when I revisited them over the years, I do think they played a part - maybe a small part - in my interest in vehicle technology, in the real world that is. I will gladly read all and any articles whether they be about “stealth helicopters”, the potential for hybrid motorcycles, or the latest Tesla news. I think those shows piqued my interest a tad, and it’s why I love reading articles about vehicle technology.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 11, 2024 11:07:50 GMT -5
codystarbuck wrote this: Makes me laugh. There was an episode where Hawke piloted Airwolf against Redwolf, a virtually identical helicopter (although Redwolf had a red undercarriage and had a laser). Naturally, Redwolf was destroyed, but when the explosion happened, it sure as hell looked like the same civilian helicopter we’d seen a dozen times before. There was also repeated use of crop duster footage. At least 3 bad guys had a crop duster aircraft with guns attached. It did make the later episodes seem samey, we could play a drinking game of “spot the stock footage”. I wonder why those super-vehicle shows “died out”. I know we had some in the 90s, including the rather mediocre Thunder in Paradise, but that sub-genre, if it can be called that, seems to be extinct. I’m surprised that Hollywood hasn’t remade Airwolf because more obscure shows than that have been remade. I still feel some of those super-vehicle shows were ahead of their time. I mean, Michael Knight had what we would now call a smart watch, and KITT appeared to have SatNav. Seems technology has caught up with fiction, although are bulletproof tyres even a thing? KITT seemed able to make “his” tyres shrug off any bullets. Street Hawk’s “Hyperthrust” 300mph speed seems to be still a fictional thing (Google reveals the fastest motorcycle speed is 250mph). And I can’t imagine a supersonic helicopter ever being a thing, at least not like it was explained in Airwolf. I used to like the “Whisper Mode” as seen in Blue Thunder, another favourite of mine. I did read that Eurocopter had - or has - developed something that can quieten a helicopter’s blades, although I doubt it’s anywhere near what we saw in that show. I have to say, although I enjoyed the super-vehicle shows for their action, when I revisited them over the years, I do think they played a part - maybe a small part - in my interest in vehicle technology, in the real world that is. I will gladly read all and any articles whether they be about “stealth helicopters”, the potential for hybrid motorcycles, or the latest Tesla news. I think those shows piqued my interest a tad, and it’s why I love reading articles about vehicle technology. I think you nailed part of it; that technology caught up with the show. Another factor is the expansion of cable and satellite watering down network offerings, as there became so many alternatives. Also a factor was the cost of such shows. You have to have multiple vehicles, for stunt scenes and beauty shots, which costs money. I also think the string of bad knockoffs helped kick the chair out from under, as people got tired of shows and producers saw that as a sign that the fad was over and to copy the next "latest thing." Glen Larson was notorious for using stock footage, to save money on effects and stunt sequences. On Battlestar Galactica, they kept recycling the same battle footage from the pilot film, with the same Cylon pinwheel attack, the same viper attacks (like one where they attack from 90 degrees above, blast the raider then fly through the cloud), etc. Buck Rogers did the same, with Draconian Marauders, from the pilot, blowing up or the ships from "Planet of the Slave Girls". Same model sequences, same explosions, etc. With Airwolf, it was always a Hughes OH-6A Cayuse (the Army designation, as an observation helo), decked out as a gunship, with a mini-gun on one side and a rocket pod on the other, then they either fly into the nearby mountain, damaged, or plummet, with the tail boom heavily damaged and bent, or just exploded in a cloud of debris. Once in a while they threw in a Bell Jet Ranger, like the one Dominic flew, and also a Huey. The helicopter they used as Airwolf is the Bell 222, which was an updating of their successful Jet Ranger. Speaking of technology catching up, Delta and DEVGRU use modified Blackhawk helicopters, which dampen the rotor noise, as well as have stealth features, to hide them from radar, such as was employed on the raid that killed Bin Laden. Going back to the 80s, they have been working on something like the jet assist you see in the show. I recall reading some articles in Popular Science and Popular Mechanics, back in the early 90s, while I was in the military. The best we had was on the Ticonderoga-class cruisers and Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, where they carried the Seahawk version of the Blackhawk, for anti-submarine patrol, which were moved in and out of their hangars, on a "shuttle," from which they lifted off and recovered. In rough seas, they could winch themselves down to the shuttle for a landing, then be pulled inside the hangar. My ship was an older Perry-class frigate, and we carried a SH-2 Sea Sprite helo, but had nothing like that for recovery, nor was the aircraft as multi-role. It was a sub hunter and search & rescue and that was about it. You had earlier vehicle shows, too. The Rat Patrol, in the 60s, heavily revolved around shots of the jeeps flying over sand dunes to attack the Germans, while the German contingent, with Eric Braden (under his birth name of Hans Gudegast), were actually using old American half tracks and tanks, painted beige, with Wehrmacht crosses. Of course, the series was inspired by the exploits of the SAS and LRDG, but was made a mostly American squad, in the series (except for British actor Gary Raymond) and originally shot in Spain, doubling for North Africa (and led to both sides using Spanish Star submachine guns, for a bit, before they got some Thompsons, for the Americans). Starsky & Hutch was all about the Grand Torino car and the 80s show Hardcastle and McCormick was all about that Grand Prix racer that they used....plus the Batmobile and the Green Hornet's Black Beauty.
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Post by DubipR on Aug 14, 2024 8:18:22 GMT -5
I jumped into watching Moonlighting (found on Tubi), in which I haven't seen since its first aired. I'm halfway into Season 2 and it holds up beautifully. The writing is so sharp and well done. Not the strongest of plots but the interaction between Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis is genuine, despite the hatred of the two. I love seeing the Los Angeles of my youth shown too. Alf Clausen's music and theme with Al Jarreau performing it. Its one of the few opening credits I love to watch and not skip. The Hawksian-esque comedy mixed in with the drama, its a something you don't see anymore on any show. Some great guest stars so far as I'm watching it. Slowly taking my time and enjoying it. Only 67 episodes for 5 seasons but they're worth a re-watch
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 14, 2024 10:33:52 GMT -5
I jumped into watching Moonlighting (found on Tubi), in which I haven't seen since its first aired. I'm halfway into Season 2 and it holds up beautifully. The writing is so sharp and well done. Not the strongest of plots but the interaction between Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis is genuine, despite the hatred of the two. I love seeing the Los Angeles of my youth shown too. Alf Clausen's music and theme with Al Jarreau performing it. Its one of the few opening credits I love to watch and not skip. The Hawksian-esque comedy mixed in with the drama, its a something you don't see anymore on any show. Some great guest stars so far as I'm watching it. Slowly taking my time and enjoying it. Only 67 episodes for 5 seasons but they're worth a re-watch It was a fun series, until their bickering got out of control, in Season 3. They tried to laugh it off, with the episode with Rona Barrett; but, it affects everything, from the writing to placate the pair, to the chemistry, to the characters. I was only catching it sporadically, at that point, since I was in college. Overall, I tended to prefer Remington Steele and the dynamic there.
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Post by DubipR on Aug 14, 2024 16:49:01 GMT -5
I jumped into watching Moonlighting (found on Tubi), in which I haven't seen since its first aired. I'm halfway into Season 2 and it holds up beautifully. The writing is so sharp and well done. Not the strongest of plots but the interaction between Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis is genuine, despite the hatred of the two. I love seeing the Los Angeles of my youth shown too. Alf Clausen's music and theme with Al Jarreau performing it. Its one of the few opening credits I love to watch and not skip. The Hawksian-esque comedy mixed in with the drama, its a something you don't see anymore on any show. Some great guest stars so far as I'm watching it. Slowly taking my time and enjoying it. Only 67 episodes for 5 seasons but they're worth a re-watch It was a fun series, until their bickering got out of control, in Season 3. They tried to laugh it off, with the episode with Rona Barrett; but, it affects everything, from the writing to placate the pair, to the chemistry, to the characters. I was only catching it sporadically, at that point, since I was in college. Overall, I tended to prefer Remington Steele and the dynamic there. Yeah, a bit before Willis was filming Die Hard, the wheels came off the cart. But it wasn't bickering between the stars, it was the stars versus Caron as well. He was so late on scripts they had to do re-runs just to make sure ABC had an episode to keep it afloat.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 23, 2024 16:09:15 GMT -5
Watched a couple of episodes of Mission: Impossible (Season One) over the last few nights. The pilot saw the IMF head to a small nation to retrieve nuclear warheads being stored in a safe. The other saw the IMF on a personal mission after a mobster kidnaps the daughter of one of Dan Briggs’ friends, so as to threaten a key witness prior to a grand jury. Both were fun.
I do wish Dan Briggs got a bit more column space. I had books on cult TV, and have read articles, and while I understand them focusing on Jim Phelps, let’s not forget the guy who was there first.
I must admit, suspension of disbelief is fun, I know, but I do smile whenever Rollin Hand has to impersonate someone - most of the time, the person he has to impersonate is conveniently the same height as Rollin, with a similar facial structure. It’s a good job the people he has to impersonate aren’t 5 foot 2 or something, he might have trouble pulling that off.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 23, 2024 21:21:25 GMT -5
Watched a couple of episodes of Mission: Impossible (Season One) over the last few nights. The pilot saw the IMF head to a small nation to retrieve nuclear warheads being stored in a safe. The other saw the IMF on a personal mission after a mobster kidnaps the daughter of one of Dan Briggs’ friends, so as to threaten a key witness prior to a grand jury. Both were fun. I do wish Dan Briggs got a bit more column space. I had books on cult TV, and have read articles, and while I understand them focusing on Jim Phelps, let’s not forget the guy who was there first. I must admit, suspension of disbelief is fun, I know, but I do smile whenever Rollin Hand has to impersonate someone - most of the time, the person he has to impersonate is conveniently the same height as Rollin, with a similar facial structure. It’s a good job the people he has to impersonate aren’t 5 foot 2 or something, he might have trouble pulling that off. The problem is that Steven Hill was only in that first season, then got in a dispute with the producers and didn't come back for the second season. He was an Orthodox Jew and refused to film scenes on the sabbath and was soon at odds with the producers over it. It was in his contract, but they tried to pressure him into working anyway. he left and Peter Graves took over, as Jim Phelps, playing the character for 143 episodes, to Hill's 28. That first season is fantastic, probably my favorite overall. The early Phelps seasons are good, while Landau and Barbara Bain are involved. Once they leave, it starts to get a bit tired and repetitive, though Leonard Nimoy, as Paris, helped a bit. Earlier seasons had more spy-oriented capers, while later focused almost entirely on mob busting (The Syndicate). When I was a kid, we would play Mission Impossible (it was still on prime time and shown, locally, in syndication), crawling across the floor on our bellies, to avoid electric eye beam alarms and cracked safes and stuff. I love that the safecracker in the pilot is Wally Cox, the voice of Underdog. Strangely, he was a close friend of Marlon Brando and Brando was nearly inconsolable when Cox passed away.
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Post by berkley on Aug 23, 2024 23:25:41 GMT -5
I jumped into watching Moonlighting (found on Tubi), in which I haven't seen since its first aired. I'm halfway into Season 2 and it holds up beautifully. The writing is so sharp and well done. Not the strongest of plots but the interaction between Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis is genuine, despite the hatred of the two. I love seeing the Los Angeles of my youth shown too. Alf Clausen's music and theme with Al Jarreau performing it. Its one of the few opening credits I love to watch and not skip. The Hawksian-esque comedy mixed in with the drama, its a something you don't see anymore on any show. Some great guest stars so far as I'm watching it. Slowly taking my time and enjoying it. Only 67 episodes for 5 seasons but they're worth a re-watch It was a fun series, until their bickering got out of control, in Season 3. They tried to laugh it off, with the episode with Rona Barrett; but, it affects everything, from the writing to placate the pair, to the chemistry, to the characters. I was only catching it sporadically, at that point, since I was in college. Overall, I tended to prefer Remington Steele and the dynamic there.
I never watched either show but if I ever did decide to try one it would probably be Remington Steele as I've never liked Willis much, especially around this time in is career - as he got older and toned down the cocky, self-satisfied smirkiness just a little, I was able to put up with him more easily.
Not sure about the writing, etc, since I haven't seen enough to compare the two shows in question, but perhaps the best thing for me would have been to take Brosnan from the one show and Shepherd from the other and put them together in a similar sort of series.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 24, 2024 12:17:48 GMT -5
I've just finished rewatching Caprica, the short-lived prequel to the 2004 Battlestar Galactica series.
Calling it a prequel might be technically accurate, but it does Caprica a disservice. The one-season show stands perfectly well on its own, complete with a satisfying ending, and it is tonally very different from its sister series. (In fact, when one looks carefully at the Galactica continuity, some things in Caprica don't quite fit with it. The writers may have decided not to be sticklers to the previous show, and I think Caprica is all the better for it).
The show's tech noir setting mixes cityscapes, cars, clothes and smoking habits straight out of the 1950s with high technology, as it does mafia-like politics with religious revolutions and board meetings shenanigans. It also deals with familial duties, the difficulty of raising teenagers, and with cultural alienation. On top of that, it is mostly about artificial intelligence and about what makes a person a person. I was surprised to see how much Blade Runner 2049 may owe to Caprica.
The show was aired as two half-seasons, and the second one admittedly feels a little rushed (as if the series had been expected to have one more season and suddenly didn't, having to wrap up all the plot lines as fast as reasonably possible). It doesn't hurt the story itself, but the rhythm does change mid-season, with several weeks or months suddenly separating individual episodes.
Overall Caprica has the feel of a richly-detailed novel, which I view as a very good thing.
It's unfortunate that it had such a short career. I expect that it is in part due to its being so different from Galactica; fans of the earlier show may not have been happy with the complete change of tone. It is also more cerebral than, say, other favourites like Babylon 5 or Star Trek, and as such may be more difficult to market.
Anyway... better to have one excellent season and a proper ending than overextending's one welcome.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 5, 2024 14:00:56 GMT -5
I've been watching episodes of the late 90s, early 00s British sketch comedy show, Smack The Pony, with Doon MacKichan, Sally Phillips and Fiona Allen. All female headliners, plus supporting cast that is mostly female (including Amanda Holden and Sarah Alexander, plus Miranda Hart, in 3 episodes, when she was a rookie), with Darren Boyd, Cavan Clerkin and James Lance providing most of the male roles. Funny, funny stuff, ranging from wild visual stuff to really subtle bits. Quite vulgar at times, too...stuff that wouldn't fly on US tv, even SNL. One sketch had two women in a locker room, about to go swimming, seen from behind and one remarks about having her bikini line waxed, while the other says she doesn't have to worry about that. They then turn around and you see the second woman, with tufts of hair poking out of her suit. Each episode also ends with a music video parody, which are both great songs (originals) plus fun stuff, like one of an alternative female band, in the woods, with butterflies, but they keep landing on the bassist's body (Sally Phillips), freaking her out.
My favorite pieces are the recurring video dating sketch (on-line dating, in Series 3, with a web screen replacing the video playback), with various bizarre women talking about what they are looking for. My two favorites were of one with Sarah Alecander, where you see an empty screen, then the top of a head appears and then she jumps again and you see some of her face, with dialogue, "What I am looking.......(jump)for is.....(jump)I'm looking......(jump) uh.........(jump) I need a short bloke!" The other has Sally Phillips, in a nun's habit, saying, "I know we aren't supposed to; but......" and then it beeps and moves to another woman.
There is a great recurring piece, in one episode, with Fiona Allen, dressed in a matador's traje de luces, with a bull, talking to it, like they are lovers. You see them hitchhiking, at a phone booth, calling someone, at a picnic. They then go to the city, for a new life and come out of an employment agency, with her saying "Security job....you are too good for that. I will just have to work for both of us." Later, you see her as a waitress, when she excuses herself and goes over to the restaurant window, and you see the bull, as she tells it she is working. The bull eventually leaves her and you then see her turn up in the video dating segment, describing what she is seeking, before finally saying she is looking for a new bull.
Another favorite is a party, with Sally Phillips putting on lipstick, just before she goes in, then she kisses the hostess (Doon MacKichan), on the cheek. Then tells her she got lipstick on her and Doon wipes her face, then Sally says there is a bit more and she rubs again. When she turns to the side, you see this big red circular smear on her face. She introduces Sally to others and you progress from person to person, with lipstick smeared on cheeks, on hands, handprints on clothes, footprints on the floor and on and on, as each person gets it on someone else.
Really funny show. Doon had worked with Steve Coogan on radio and on Knowing Me, Knowing You, with Alan Partridge (and appeared in other Alan Partridge stuff) and Sally was in I'm Alan Partridge, as Sophie, one of the travel hotel staff. Fiona Allen appeared in 24 Hour Party People, playing essentially herself, as she was the box office manager for The Hacienda nightclub, in Manchester. I had also seen Sally Phillips in Jam & Jerusalem (show on US dvd as Clatterford), plus appearances on QI (same for Doon). Darren Boyd had also appeared in Coogan's Saxondale (a great series, with Coogan as an ex-roadie, who runs a pest control company).
Lot of great character-based stuff.
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