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Post by shaxper on Apr 16, 2021 8:48:06 GMT -5
I've been hearing about this show for years now, and my reading Master of Kung-Fu and Deadly Hands of Kung-Fu certainly has me more curious than ever. I've spent the morning watching youtube clips, but it's mostly just action scenes. Is this a "you had to be there" sort of series, or is it still worth checking out in 2021?
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Post by brutalis on Apr 16, 2021 9:57:45 GMT -5
I've been hearing about this show for years now, and my reading Master of Kung-Fu and Deadly Hands of Kung-Fu certainly has me more curious than ever. I've spent the morning watching youtube clips, but it's mostly just action scenes. Is this a "you had to be there" sort of series, or is it still worth checking out in 2021? Honestly have not watched since it was originally on. It was a combination western and drama and morality and history with a touch of mysticism and martial arts. Rather slow moving and never really captured my devotion at the time. Might be different for adult me now. Did enjoy the "sequel" series years later when Carradine plays this own descendant helping his son the police detective solving crimes.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 17, 2021 6:24:09 GMT -5
I think a good measure of whether you'll enjoy it or not would be if you've seen the Incredible Hulk show; if you've seen that and you liked it then you'll probably enjoy Kung Fu as it has that same kind of plot structure of hero wanders into town, gets befriends person in need and then helps out at the end before moving on again on a vague mission.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 17, 2021 15:56:30 GMT -5
I think a good measure of whether you'll enjoy it or not would be if you've seen the Incredible Hulk show; if you've seen that and you liked it then you'll probably enjoy Kung Fu as it has that same kind of plot structure of hero wanders into town, gets befriends person in need and then helps out at the end before moving on again on a vague mission. That's really helpful. While I love Bill Bixby, I have zero patience for the repetitiveness of each episode of that series. Whenever I get a hankering for it, I watch one of the TV movies that spun out of that series. The pilot, the marriage special, the Trial (with Daredevil) and especially the Death of the Incredible Hulk, but never the regular episodes.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 17, 2021 18:52:03 GMT -5
The Fugitive template was well en vogue, in the 1970s (and early 80s). Aside from the Hulk, there was Kung Fu, Logan's Run, The Phoenix, Planet of the Apes, Otherworld, and the Saturday Morning tv show Run, Joe, Run (which featured a fugitive German shepherd).
The pilot movie for the series is really good. It has Caine walking through an American desert, reflecting back on his past, then shows him as a young boy, a teenager and a young man, training at the Shaolin Temple, His mentor is blind Master Po, played by Keye Luke (the original movie serial Kato and voice of Zoltar, in Battle of the Planets), as well as Master Kan, played by Phillip Ahn. Every major Asian actor appeared in either the pilot film of the series, at one point, including Robert Ito (Quincy), James Hong (Blade Runner), Yuki Shimoda (Cho Pak on MASH), John Fujioka (Six Million Dollar Man,), Benson Fong, Clyde Kusatsu, Soon Tek Oh, Beulah Quo, James Shigeta (Die Hard), Nancy Kwan...you name them. Probably more Asian actors in this series than in MASH.
In the pilot film, Caine is a fugitive, after killing a relative of the emperor, in a fit of rage, after he shot Master Po, while being disrespectful to him. Caine flees to the US to find his American family (His father was an American). In the pilot, he defends himself against bullies, in a saloon, then ends up getting a job working on the railroad. The Chinese workers are abused and needlessly endangered and an engineer is murdered, lest his findings hold up the timetable for blasting a tunnel through a mountain. A Shaolin bounty hunter is brought in for the finale, for a battle with Caine (played by David Chow, who was the fight arranger for the series). The earlier days of Caine are told via flashbacks to his training and lessons from master Po, including how he is bequeathed his nickname grasshopper.
I thought the first season was pretty good, as the episodes usually feature Caine coming to a new town and helping someone in trouble, while reflecting back on a lesson learned at the temple. I watched a bit of that, in recent years. I don't really recall the later seasons, but still recall the general impression that it kind of wore out the premise as it went on. The third and final season does wrap up the hunt for Caine's half brother, Danny, a white man.
David Carridine's brother Keith played the teen version of Caine, in the pilot film, then his father (John) and younger brother Robert (of Revenge of the Nerds) appeared in an episode. Ramses Perda played the young Caine, taking his lessons from Master Po and Master Kan.
Definitely worth watching at least the first season. I would suggest not binge watching, as the formula tends to stick out more. The template worked better in weekly doses.
The pilot film is what was swiped by Marvel and everyone else under the sun. It came along as kung fu films were becoming a fad, at the theater and the weekly dose of kung fu action (mostly in slow motion or basic exchanges) made it a bigger deal. There is a lot of "fortune cookie" wisdom; but, there are a lot of really good actors involved. The training stuff at the temple was stolen by everyone.
Not too long after the series was a hit, there was a made-for-tv movie, called Men of the Dragon, starring Jared Martin, Robert Ito and Katie Saylor. Martin and Saylor are brother and sister, who spent part of their youth in Hong Kong, where they were friends with Ito's character. Saylor is kidnapped (after a fight), to be a concubine for a criminal (played by Joseph Wiseman, in "yellow face," much like in Dr No). Martin and Ito try to find her and rescue her and are forced to fight each other, while blindfolded, unaware that the other is their opponent. David Chow was the fight choreographer and plays the villain's chief henchman. A lot of the plot is swiped from Enter the Dragon and similar things, with doses of Kung Fu, too. I think it was intended as a pilot for a series and was a decent tv movie, but no series followed. It was filmed in Hong Kong, which probably pushed the cost way up there, which might explain why it didn't become a series or a series of tv movies.
(Ignore the stupid narration that some idiot added, well after the fact)
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 17, 2021 18:52:59 GMT -5
I think a good measure of whether you'll enjoy it or not would be if you've seen the Incredible Hulk show; if you've seen that and you liked it then you'll probably enjoy Kung Fu as it has that same kind of plot structure of hero wanders into town, gets befriends person in need and then helps out at the end before moving on again on a vague mission. That's really helpful. While I love Bill Bixby, I have zero patience for the repetitiveness of each episode of that series. Whenever I get a hankering for it, I watch one of the TV movies that spun out of that series. The pilot, the marriage special, the Trial (with Daredevil) and especially the Death of the Incredible Hulk, but never the regular episodes. I don't know if either the Incredible Hulk or Kung Fu would stand up now, but I have fond memories of watching them after school when I was in middle school.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 0:49:06 GMT -5
On a tangential note, there is a remake of Kung Fu in the works at the CW, with a female protagonist coming out later this year. Whether it is a continuation with her as a descendent of Kane, or a true reboot/remake, I don't know, but form the looks of the promo poster it has a contemporary setting, not an old west one. -M
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 18, 2021 3:39:43 GMT -5
(...) Definitely worth watching at least the first season. I would suggest not binge watching, as the formula tends to stick out more. The template worked better in weekly doses. (...) This can't be emphasized enough when recommending pretty much any longer-running series from, well, the preceding century. I made a point of stressing that a few weeks ago when someone was asking me if Kolchak is worth watching. At most, you should watch one a day, as though you're catching the show in syndication, but yeah, it's probably better to space them out even more, with a few days to a week between.
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Post by majestic on Apr 18, 2021 18:51:04 GMT -5
(...) Definitely worth watching at least the first season. I would suggest not binge watching, as the formula tends to stick out more. The template worked better in weekly doses. (...) This can't be emphasized enough when recommending pretty much any longer-running series from, well, the preceding century. I made a point of stressing that a few weeks ago when someone was asking me if Kolchak is worth watching. At most, you should watch one a day, as though you're catching the show in syndication, but yeah, it's probably better to space them out even more, with a few days to a week between. So true of entertainment back then whether it was comic books or TV shows. For comic books continued stories included lengthy recaps because it wasn't easy getting issues every month pre comic book stores. For TV each episode had to stand on it's own pre VCR days because you actually had to be home when the show aired or you missed it. I feel by the 90's the VCR started the change in TV shows to progress episode by episode.
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Post by majestic on Apr 18, 2021 18:53:19 GMT -5
The new CW Kung Fu only shares the name. There are no ties to the older TV show at all.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 18, 2021 20:54:02 GMT -5
(...) Definitely worth watching at least the first season. I would suggest not binge watching, as the formula tends to stick out more. The template worked better in weekly doses. (...) This can't be emphasized enough when recommending pretty much any longer-running series from, well, the preceding century. True for the most part, but there are exceptions. I'm rewatching Dark Shadows with Amber currently. I'd hoped Kung Fu would be cut from that kind of cloth, especially since Caine is on a journey that (one might assume) would have a beginning, middle, and end. Apparently not.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 18, 2021 22:26:52 GMT -5
This can't be emphasized enough when recommending pretty much any longer-running series from, well, the preceding century. True for the most part, but there are exceptions. I'm rewatching Dark Shadows with Amber currently. I'd hoped Kung Fu would be cut from that kind of cloth, especially since Caine is on a journey that (one might assume) would have a beginning, middle, and end. Apparently not. Well, in the big picture, there is a journey; but, it is a meandering one. In the pilot movie, Caine must flee China and goes to America. When the series starts, he seeks out information on his American family, including a half brother, Danny. In the first season, he meets his grandfather, played by Dean Jagger. A recurring issue is his wanted status, which finds him arrested in a few episodes. The third season, which was known to be the last when they were writing, focused back on the search for Danny and Caine eventually finds him and the series comes to a conclusion. So, like most series of it's era, it is mostly episodic, with a thematic continuity, if not a literal one. the third season, since it focuses on the family plot, has the most direct continuation of things. By contrast, Dark Shadows was a daily soap opera, with a tighter continuity and larger cast. Weekly shows tended to be more individual adventures or dramas, with maybe a little continuity in the characters, but not as much with events in episodes, unless characters returned. For instance, the Six Million Dollar Man had weekly adventures. In the first season, a friend is kidnapped and replaced with an advanced android. Steve eventually figures it out and destroys the robot and frees his friend. The creator of the robot then, later, kidnaps Steve to study his bionics, but Steve escapes. The man later kidnaps Oscar and replaces him with a more advanced android, which can eat and drink, unlike the previous one. Bigfoot and the aliens who created him appear in several episodes, across multiple seasons. A Soviet scientist who was the fiancee of a cosmonaut friend of Steve's appears in a first season episode, where the two men travel to an island installation to find the woman and stop a doomsday weapon from being accidentally detonated. She later appears as an advisor when a Soviet built space probe, meant for Venus, lands on Earth and tries to carry out its mission, endangering innocent lives. John Fujioka played a Japanese soldier who thought the war was still going on, until Steve finally convinces him of the truth and stops him from killing himself. later, the man repays his debt of honor to Steve by helping him search a jungle area for the missing son of a diplomat, who has been living as a feral creature since his disappearance. So, you could watch stand-alone stories on the show; but, there would be a continuity between episodes when a character was brought back. they even revisited the crash, from the pilot movie, which led to Steve's bionic implants. Steve discovers the crash wasn't an accident and is able to successfully fly the lifting body he had been testing.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 22, 2021 21:42:05 GMT -5
I liked KUNG FU when it was first-run, although, I must say, the one thing I never cared for was the " Fugitive" sub-plot. I'd put up with 4 years of Dr. Richard Kimble, and any series that tries to riff on that (especially THE INCREDIBLE HULK) is just asking for a "miss" in my book. ABC moved KUNG FU to Friday nights opposite something else I was already watching, for its 3rd season, and once past the 2-hour season opener, I decided, I'd wait until rerun season to catch up with it. THERE WAS NO RERUN SEASON. The a-holes took it right off the air as soon as the 3rd season was over. To this day, I have NEVER seen most of season 3. To this day, the only part of the original series I have in my collection is the pilot movie. That said, there have been several follow-ups. Allow me to list... SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE -- season 6 (arguably, the least-popular ever), had an episode hosted by David Carridine. One of the sketches they did had Kwai Chang Caine in the modern-day, walking into a Harlem clothing shop run by Eddie Murphy (his 1st season on the show). Caine wanted water, but Murphy wanted to sell him some "fine threads". On the original show, Caine would have memories of his dead teacher Master Po. But in this sketch, Caine looked into a mirror and saw Master Po, and SPOKE with him. Just like Christopher Reeve did with Marlon Brando in SUPERMAN (1978, 2 years earlier). " The man of the spirit, wears not the clothes of the pimp. Roll that around in your head awhile, Grasshopper!" At the end, Caine told Murphy, " And now, I must... destroy your store." "SAY WHAT???" "Do not worry... I do it all in... slow motion." KUNG FU (the movie) (1986) Caine returned in a 2-hour pilot movie intended to start a sequel series. In this, he'd settled down to live in a western town. Trouble reared its head when we found out-- in yet another example of the then-popular fad-- that Caine had fathered a son he NEVER KNEW HE HAD, played by Brandon Lee, who had been co-opted by Caine's enemies, and brainwashed into killing him. This film introduced, for the first time, real SUPERNATURAL mysticism, as Caine was seen HOVERING over the floor while meditating. SNL had predicted not only the return of the show, but the use of the supernatural. The movie ended with some sub-plots unresolved, no doubt intended to be followed up on in a series that NEVER happaned. Oh well. KUNG FU: THE NEXT GENERATION (1987) This was a one-hour UNSOLD pilot for another series that never happened. In the only KUNG FU to date not to feature Carridine, David Darlow played the great-grandson of Caine, in the modern world, who'd had a falling-out with his son, once again played by Brandon Lee! Also in the cast was Paula Kelly, who I always liked. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad. But it didn't sell. And in light of what happened later, was retroactively written out of continuity. (OR... maybe not. Hard to be 100% certain.) THE GAMBLER RETURNS: THE LUCK OF THE DRAW (1991) The 4th Kenny Rogers " Gambler" film is a 2-part 4-hour mini-series, that acts as an all-star reunion film for a pile of TV western heroes from the 60s... and one from the 70s, as Caine turns up for a 5-minute cameo in the 2nd part, for the first time since the 70s wearing his original hat and outfit. This is a lot of fun. KUNG FU: THE LEGEND CONTINUES (1993) -- oddly enough, "The Legend Continues" was the name of the 3rd Gambler film. Anyway...The grandson of Caine (Carridine) and his son Peter (Chris Potter) are separated for 15 years when a Shaolin monk turned evil destroys their temple and kills most of the priests. 15 years later, Peter has grown up to become a police detective, working in the precinct of his foster father (Robert Lansing), a man with a mysterious past as a professional government mercenary.
Caine, who's been wandering for 15 years, finds out that his son is still alive, and the main focus of the show is their reunion, as they get to know each other all over again. Another major character is "The Apocathecary", also known as Lo Si, "The Ancient" (Kim Chan), who was the very same priest who told each of them the other was DEAD 15 years earlier. The longer this show went on, the more involved, complex and sometimes impenetrable the continuity they were building became, made worse by the fact that the cable network that ran the show REPEATEDLY would show important connected episodes IN THE WRONG ORDER. But for 4 years, this was my FAVORITE show on TV, and one of the things I loved most, was it eliminating the "Fugitive" angle of the original. Richard Anderson narrated the opening credits. If there were ever going to be a legitimate sequel to this, it would have to star Chris Potter. Otherwise... WHY BOTHER?
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Post by Rob Allen on Apr 26, 2021 12:16:20 GMT -5
The pilot film from the original Kung Fu series had a huge impact on me. Decades later I saw it again and in scene after scene I kept thinking, "so that's where I got that idea from."
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 26, 2021 12:44:11 GMT -5
I think a good measure of whether you'll enjoy it or not would be if you've seen the Incredible Hulk show; if you've seen that and you liked it then you'll probably enjoy Kung Fu as it has that same kind of plot structure of hero wanders into town, gets befriends person in need and then helps out at the end before moving on again on a vague mission. That's really helpful. While I love Bill Bixby, I have zero patience for the repetitiveness of each episode of that series. Whenever I get a hankering for it, I watch one of the TV movies that spun out of that series. The pilot, the marriage special, the Trial (with Daredevil) and especially the Death of the Incredible Hulk, but never the regular episodes. My two younger sons find pre 1999 television to be largely unwatchable. They grew up with shows that (generally) had overarching story arcs and are generally much less episodic than what we grew up on. It's not just the age, because both are fans of old movies...including films going back to the 40s. It's the one-and-done nature that they don't like and that really nothing changes in the show except the weekly plot.
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