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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 19, 2022 15:08:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I get the idea that Moldoff was parodying Kane’s style, and he got away with making fun of Kane because Kane was so bad that the parody was better than what was being parodied, and nobody really noticed. Interesting theory. However, as Bob Kane hadn't penciled a Batman story in over six years by this point, I have to wonder who would have even gotten the joke. Well, yeah, it’s more likely that Moldoff was straining his artistic talents. But if it was intentional, the intended audience might have only consisted of me, sixty or seventy years later. I attended the panel in San Diego in 2009 where Moldoff, Lee Sayre Schwartz and Jerry Robinson talked about ghosting Batman. Moldoff said Bob Kane was “the most miserable son of a bitch I ever met.” And then he told a bunch of stories about Bob Kane, mostly about how cheap he was. It was hilarious.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 19, 2022 15:27:14 GMT -5
Detective Comics #221 (July 1955) "The Thousand-and-One Escapes of Batman and Robin!" Script: ? Pencils: Sheldon Moldoff (signed as Bob Kane) Inks: Stan Kaye Colors: ? Letters: ? Grade: D The GCD once again speculates that this story may have been written by Bill Finger, but I don't see it this time. None of his usual trademarks are present. The tough-on-crime ending doesn't feel like him at all when he has so often championed reform, second chances, and a general belief in the goodness of the human race: Additionally, the over-all writing of the story is poor and seems to underestimate the intelligence of the reader: Explain it a third time, Robin. I didn't quite catch that.I don't necessarily feel Edmund Hamilton in this script either, as it lacks a flashy big imagination center to the story, and there are also no real layers/complications to the conflict. In fact, the entire thing can be summarized in these four panels: It's obvious that 1) the bad guys is going to kill him anyway, and 2) Robin is stalling for time while Batman is up to something. Sure enough, both things are exactly what happen by the close. To our mystery writer's credit, I was able to solve how Batman and Robin got out of all four traps -- it wasn't some lame mystery with a pay-off that came out of nowhere. Instead, each mystery probably would have been a worthwhile challenge for younger readers. And yet, what the hell am I missing in this scenario? What are they--Gremlins? Maybe it was originally intended to be acid or something, and Schiff decided the Comics Code would not allow that? Anyway, this next part is the one bit that maybe feels like Bill Finger just a little bit: Paging Dr. Wertham!Minor Details:1. Once again, we are given contradictory information about if/when Batman go out on patrol. We've been shown that they only go out if there is a crime, that they patrol at night, and that they patrol in the morning. Now we're back to night time patrols again:
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 19, 2022 16:29:50 GMT -5
This story was reprinted in the first Batman Annual, so I’ve been reading it over and over for many years. It’s not a major favorite, but I love it for the villain, who I call The Ascot. We don’t get to see his crimes, but I imagine they mostly involve robbing charity polo matches and escaping on the polo ponies. Maybe high society scavenger hunts? Rowing matches? Yacht races?
The Untold History of The Ascot is ripe for a limited series!
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Post by chadwilliam on Feb 19, 2022 17:45:21 GMT -5
Detective Comics #221 (July 1955) "The Thousand-and-One Escapes of Batman and Robin!" Script: ? Pencils: Sheldon Moldoff (signed as Bob Kane) Inks: Stan Kaye Colors: ? Letters: ? Grade: D The GCD once again speculates that this story may have been written by Bill Finger, but I don't see it this time. None of his usual trademarks are present. The tough-on-crime ending doesn't feel like him at all when he has so often championed reform, second chances, and a general belief in the goodness of the human race: Additionally, the over-all writing of the story is poor and seems to underestimate the intelligence of the reader: Explain it a third time, Robin. I didn't quite catch that.I don't necessarily feel Edmund Hamilton in this script either, as it lacks a flashy big imagination center to the story, and there are also no real layers/complications to the conflict. In fact, the entire thing can be summarized in these four panels: It's obvious that 1) the bad guys is going to kill him anyway, and 2) Robin is stalling for time while Batman is up to something. Sure enough, both things are exactly what happen by the close. To our mystery writer's credit, I was able to solve how Batman and Robin got out of all four traps -- it wasn't some lame mystery with a pay-off that came out of nowhere. Instead, each mystery probably would have been a worthwhile challenge for younger readers. And yet, what the hell am I missing in this scenario? What are they--Gremlins? Maybe it was originally intended to be acid or something, and Schiff decided the Comics Code would not allow that? Anyway, this next part is the one bit that maybe feels like Bill Finger just a little bit: Paging Dr. Wertham!Minor Details:1. Once again, we are given contradictory information about if/when Batman go out on patrol. We've been shown that they only go out if there is a crime, that they patrol at night, and that they patrol in the morning. Now we're back to night time patrols again: Wow,a 'D' - tough crowd. I love this one since it's Batman doing what Batman does best - escaping death traps page after page which is why it feels like Bill Finger to me. Why does Batman get so much fan mail? Because he's a legend in his own time. Why is he legend? Well, here you go - anecdote after anecdote of how he escaped certain death enough times for Robin to keep a criminal busy long enough for a whole story. Who better than Batman's creator to shine him in such a light? Plus, Finger was known for keeping a notebook full of story ideas - sounds like he was feeling particularly generous here and filled a tale full of them. And again, ideas relating to such a key component of Batman's make-up - his Houdini-like expertise in escaping death traps - sounds like Finger. I wouldn't say it was obvious that King was going to kill Batman and Robin regardless of who won his little contest. Probable, perhaps, but we have seen Batman be let go free before by his enemies if certain demands are met. I mean, they've got one villain who'll let them go or kill them all depending upon a coin toss and The Joker has a sort of twisted honor in that he won't kill Batman without proving himself his better first. Of course, King is no Joker. His guesses are pretty lame ("Did you just use magic to escape?" "Did you just scream for help?") but, like Hoosier X notes, he does earn some points for his outfit - jodhoppers, an ascot, and he even uses an atomizer - though yeah, even if he were planning to keep his word initially to let Robin and Batman go, I think he'd have to reconsider upon realizing that if he did that, word might get out as to how inept he was at solving Robin's conundrums.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 19, 2022 21:29:40 GMT -5
Another thing I like about this story is how Sheldon Moldoff it is.
It’s very Moldoffy. A 9.5 on the Moldoff scale.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 20, 2022 20:33:29 GMT -5
That sounds very much like an episode of the Adam West TV show.... the more of these stories you review, the more I see that it wasn't really so far off what the character was at the time.
Also, is that Dr. Silvana on purpose? Or just a stereotypical eggheaded guy in a lab coat?
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 20, 2022 22:47:44 GMT -5
I finally had some free time to get out my replica of Batman Annual #1 to read “The Thrilling Escapes of Batman.” (The title was changed from its original appearance, possibly because the theme of the annual is “1001 Secrets of Batman and Robin” and they didn’t want to wear out the “1001” references. I think yet another one of the stories reprinted here had its title changed because of another use of “1001.”)
The main thing I love about this story is how ridiculous Paul King is. He is really full of himself! And the way he flaunts his eccentricities is enough to make the Joker vomit! I mean ... the atomizer is just too much, man!
I will probably keep calling him The Ascot because that’s been my private nickname for him for close to twenty years. But he could just as easily be called:
The Dressing Gown The Dinner Jacket The Cigarette Holder
And I also like ... Mr Ridiculous!
He should have a lady partner in crime called The Lorgnette.
Or maybe he should team up with Joe Coyne and they could call themselves the Fashion Disaster Gang!
Really, they should have shown just one of the Ascot’s theme crimes. Batman and Robin are keeping an eye on the Gotham Fashion Museum because that famous institution has recently opened a “Historical Jodhpurs Exhibit” and it’s worth a fortune! Of course, The Ascot and his gang show up.
That’s how they should have been captured! During the fight in the Hall of Jodhpurs!
I was also amused by the fancy monogrammed “K” on his handkerchiefs.
One of the generic fedora-wearing Gotham gangsters in the gang is called “Hippo.” There is next to no continuity for these interchangeable Gotham thugs, but a criminal called “Hippo” Barnes shows up in one of those stories written by Alfred, in Batman #163, where Betty Kane returns from Europe, all grown up and ready to take over the Batwoman identity from Aunt Kathy. So maybe Alfred WAS paying attention and used an older, chubbier version of The Ascot’s henchman in his story? Or maybe not.
When I got to the part where Robin was describing the escapes in detail, my first thought is ... he’s making this up. He’s just messing with The Ascot. The Boy Wonder has no respect for this guy at all!
I love it that they included Vicki Vale in one of the stories. And she’s not nearly as useless as usual!
Two of the stories mention the names of the bad guys they are pursuing. One is Death Valley Dan and the other is Captain Shark. So we have to keep these characters in mind the next time there’s a discussion of obscure members of the Batman Rogues Gallery.
I’m going to give it a B+.
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 22, 2022 12:41:49 GMT -5
I’ve been thinking about those scenes where the stories refer back to past adventures. My gut feeling is that most of them - maybe all of them - are stories that weren’t chronicled in Batman, Detective or World’s Finest.
I don’t know for sure because there are a lot of Batman stories I haven’t read. But I feel like I’ve read enough that the odds are pretty good that I would recognize at least one of these adventures that are referred to, if it was a story that had been presented in the comics.
I’ve been looking at that list of men who have been suspected of being Batman.
Howard Dane Ted Stevens Guy Wilford Bruce Wayne
I can’t remember any story where another person was suspected of being Batman. Except for Bruce Wayne, none of these mugs has a separate entry in the Batman Encyclopedia. They are mentioned in the entry for Vincent Crail, the bad guy in the fan-mail story in Batman #92.
Oh. Wait. I DO remember a story where another person is suspected of being Batman! I couldn’t remember his name and I couldn’t remember where I read it. I gave up after looking for an hour last night but I found it this morning.
It’s in “The Phantom Eye of Gotham City” from Detective Comics #192. (It was reprinted in Batman #187.) It’s cover-dated 1953, so it would have been a good story to refer to. (Mike’s Amazing World says it was written by David V. Reed. And I suppose I should mention that there’s a panel where Batman and Robin are reading The Gotham Gazette.)
I won’t go into the plot in any detail because it’s a bit convoluted. The Phantom Eye is floating around the city and it films Batman’s secret identity. It’s leading Gotham citizen (and famous big-game hunter) Byron King!
It’s not one of the names from the list in Batman #92.
(I wonder if he’s related to Paul King, better known as The Ascot?)
But wait! It’s not really Byron King! It’s generic Gotham gangster Nails Riley masquerading as Byron King in a rather complicated scheme to steal King’s fortune!
Nails Riley is also conspicuously absent from the Batman suspects list in Batman #92.
None of this is conclusive proof that there are no stories involving Ted Stevens or Guy Wilford or Howard Dane. And maybe the Bill Finger story didn’t reference Byron King or Nails Riley because he didn’t write “The Phantom Eye of Gotham City.” But at this point, I’m inclined to believe that I would have come up with something if these stories existed.
I’ll keep looking.
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Post by chadwilliam on Feb 22, 2022 23:53:22 GMT -5
I’ve been looking at that list of men who have been suspected of being Batman. Howard Dane Ted Stevens Guy Wilford Bruce Wayne I can’t remember any story where another person was suspected of being Batman. Except for Bruce Wayne, none of these mugs has a separate entry in the Batman Encyclopedia. They are mentioned in the entry for Vincent Crail, the bad guy in the fan-mail story in Batman #92. Oh. Wait. I DO remember a story where another person is suspected of being Batman! I couldn’t remember his name and I couldn’t remember where I read it. I gave up after looking for an hour last night but I found it this morning. It’s in “The Phantom Eye of Gotham City” from Detective Comics #192. (It was reprinted in Batman #187.) It’s cover-dated 1953, so it would have been a good story to refer to. (Mike’s Amazing World says it was written by David V. Reed. And I suppose I should mention that there’s a panel where Batman and Robin are reading The Gotham Gazette.) I won’t go into the plot in any detail because it’s a bit convoluted. The Phantom Eye is floating around the city and it films Batman’s secret identity. It’s leading Gotham citizen (and famous big-game hunter) Byron King! It’s not one of the names from the list in Batman #92. (I wonder if he’s related to Paul King, better known as The Ascot?) But wait! It’s not really Byron King! It’s generic Gotham gangster Nails Riley masquerading as Byron King in a rather complicated scheme to steal King’s fortune! Nails Riley is also conspicuously absent from the Batman suspects list in Batman #92. None of this is conclusive proof that there are no stories involving Ted Stevens or Guy Wilford or Howard Dane. And maybe the Bill Finger story didn’t reference Byron King or Nails Riley because he didn’t write “The Phantom Eye of Gotham City.” But at this point, I’m inclined to believe that I would have come up with something if these stories existed. I’ll keep looking. I actually just posted on another forum that it's peculiar the way that these lists almost always contain Bruce Wayne's name but never any of the others you see whenever someone decides to print a list of 'Five Gothamites Most Likely to be Batman'. And it's strange too considering that out of all these suspects, only Bruce Wayne is taking great pains to eliminate himself as a suspect and yet, he's the one constant on these lists. How is it that Batman - who carries upon himself at all times photograph of himself shaking hands with Bruce Wayne - can easily convince people that he isn't Ted Stevens or Guy Wilford or whoever, but can't convince people that he isn't Bruce Wayne? Bruce Wayne must have been photographed with Batman at least a dozen times now (albeit, Superman or Alfred or Robin or a dying actor or whoever in the costume) and yet Gothamites still aren't convinced they're not one and the same. Meanwhile, all these other suspects who aren't being photographed with Batman, aren't seen having dinner with him, aren't being constantly assured by those closest to Batman that they can't be Batman the way Bruce Wayne is, are completely exonerated without even trying. Bruce Wayne could be walking down Gotham Sqaure in broad daylight with his arm around Batman's shoulder and people would still be going "Hey - who's that guy standing next to Batman?" "Him? Oh, that's Bruce Wayne!" "Bruce Wayne nothing! I'll bet that guy walking next to Batman IS Batman!"
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Post by zaku on Feb 23, 2022 14:15:41 GMT -5
I’ve been looking at that list of men who have been suspected of being Batman. Howard Dane Ted Stevens Guy Wilford Bruce Wayne I can’t remember any story where another person was suspected of being Batman. Except for Bruce Wayne, none of these mugs has a separate entry in the Batman Encyclopedia. They are mentioned in the entry for Vincent Crail, the bad guy in the fan-mail story in Batman #92. Oh. Wait. I DO remember a story where another person is suspected of being Batman! I couldn’t remember his name and I couldn’t remember where I read it. I gave up after looking for an hour last night but I found it this morning. It’s in “The Phantom Eye of Gotham City” from Detective Comics #192. (It was reprinted in Batman #187.) It’s cover-dated 1953, so it would have been a good story to refer to. (Mike’s Amazing World says it was written by David V. Reed. And I suppose I should mention that there’s a panel where Batman and Robin are reading The Gotham Gazette.) I won’t go into the plot in any detail because it’s a bit convoluted. The Phantom Eye is floating around the city and it films Batman’s secret identity. It’s leading Gotham citizen (and famous big-game hunter) Byron King! It’s not one of the names from the list in Batman #92. (I wonder if he’s related to Paul King, better known as The Ascot?) But wait! It’s not really Byron King! It’s generic Gotham gangster Nails Riley masquerading as Byron King in a rather complicated scheme to steal King’s fortune! Nails Riley is also conspicuously absent from the Batman suspects list in Batman #92. None of this is conclusive proof that there are no stories involving Ted Stevens or Guy Wilford or Howard Dane. And maybe the Bill Finger story didn’t reference Byron King or Nails Riley because he didn’t write “The Phantom Eye of Gotham City.” But at this point, I’m inclined to believe that I would have come up with something if these stories existed. I’ll keep looking. How is it that Batman - who carries upon himself at all times photograph of himself shaking hands with Bruce Wayne - can easily convince people that he isn't Ted Stevens or Guy Wilford or whoever, but can't convince people that he isn't Bruce Wayne? Bruce Wayne must have been photographed with Batman at least a dozen times now (albeit, Superman or Alfred or Robin or a dying actor or whoever in the costume) and yet Gothamites still aren't convinced they're not one and the same. Isn't it virtually the same with Superman/Clark Kent? And he could also use robots at the time to take suspicion off himself!
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Post by shaxper on May 14, 2022 23:53:07 GMT -5
World's Finest Comics #77 (July-August 1955) "The Super-Bat Man!" Script: Edmond Hamilton Pencils: Curt Swan Inks: Stan Kaye Colors: ? Letters: Pat Gordon Grade: C- Edmond Hamilton seems to be running a little low on imagination this time. No elaborate clubs for bored wealthy people, no crazy misdirections and heroes keeping secrets from each other until the final act. Instead, a not-particularly mad scientist has once again created some amazing investion on his own and in secret, decided to use it for crime instead of making fortunes off of patents, and (of course) created an opposite ray that can undo the effects of his machine: "Wait a second...he isn't here to peer review these findings for the medical journal!"It's staggering to consider just how many criminals in these comics invent amazing machines that can transform humanity itself, while the law-abiding scientists either fail to create anything useful or end up deciding their inventions are too dangerous to be allowed to exist. So many geniuses, and humanity remains at the exact same level of scientific progress as it does in the real world. So, of course, Batman gets hit with the energizing ray, Superman gets hit with the de-energizing ray, and hijinks ensue, not that any of it is all that fun. Alfred gapes while Bruce accidentally hits or pulls things too hard over and over again, while Lois Lane repeatedly dogs Superman. Seriously, Hamilton takes this bit waaaay far. That's a lot of time spent across a twelve page story on being annoyed by the one female in the book. Is everything okay at home, Edmond? Superman's powers come back with a lazy explanation that raises more questions than it answers: 1. Why would he prepare a fake gun? What does he gain by convincing people it exists? 2. Why would he assume Superman would be the one to come stop him? 3. Is Kryptonite THAT easy to come by on the black market? Anyway, it's suddenly casually mentioned that Batman's new powers wear off after 24 hours, so everything is back to normal by the close. Well, except Lois gets one more chance to be an a$$hole: Minor Details:1. Yet another villain that both Batman and Superman have faced countless times before, yet we've never seen him previously, and we'll never see him again: 2. A nice thing about Atom Age crimefighting is that, given a vehicle and a generous head-start, the villain could still only hide out in the city you patrol! 3. Legitimately Swan's finest moment in this issue: 4. Did Batman and Robin just fly down into The Batcave?
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Post by Hoosier X on May 18, 2022 12:52:14 GMT -5
Comic books are stupid.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2022 11:45:50 GMT -5
Batman #93 (August 1955) A potential candidate for worst Batman cover of all time. Fortunately the stories within are mostly good! "Journey to the Top of the World!" Script: Bill Finger Pencils: Dick Sprang (signed as Bob Kane) Inks: Charles Paris Colors: ? Letters: Pat Gordon Grade: B In an era in which depicting gritty crimefighting was becoming more and more challenging thanks to the Comics Code, I'm starting to think that the measure of success for any given Batman story from this period is how well it can keep the dramatic action going without depicting death, gun violence, and more fighting than a punch to the face or three. In this case, Finger finds it by transplanting the dynamic duo to a mountain top, full of new hazards and obstacles that land safely outside of the Comics Code's purvue: Add to this enticing action a mystery, because as soon as Finger bothers to name and show the faces of every member of the hiking party, you know someone's going to die and this will end up being a whodunnit: And the mystery is executed well enough to have impressed an adolescent, Batman and Robin having strong reasons to suspect more than one member, while the only one seemingly beyond suspicion quickly dies off-panel at the very start and we never see the body. It's not easy to tell an engaging ensemble mystery in eight pages, but this one works well enough, and the mountain-top backdrop provides a lot of excitement to boot. This is the kind of story that lends itself best to comics, as no film of the era was going to convincingly portray a whodunnit at the summit of one of the world's tallest mountains. "Batman, Baby-Sitter!" Script: Bill Finger Pencils: Dick Sprang Inks: Charles Paris Colors: ? Letters: Pat Gordon Grade: A+ This may go down in history as my favorite lighthearted Batman story of all time. The setup is contrived and unbelievable, to be sure: but the hilarity that ensues more than justifies our accepting a relative Bruce Wayne has never before mentioned deciding that he is the best candidate to watch her child for an extended period of time on absolutely zero notice, as well as the fact that it never occurs to any of them for Bruce to hire a babysitter. While some of the comedy is Finger's, Sprang is really the one who has me in stitches in almost every panel with his comicly expressive faces: Of course, Finger does have his moments too: and the highlight of this story has got to be when they run out of milk on a Sunday (when all the stores are closed) and decide that this is a job for the Dynamic Duo, following leads until they finally arrive at this moment of hilarious desperation: That moment when Dick realized his comfortable stint as ward to a walking trustfund just might not be worth it after all:And, of course, this was a lot of fun too: In the end, the baby nearly gives away Bruce's secret identity, but the magic of unprompted emotional abuse saves the day: "Oh, thank God you were just tormenting my child for no good reason. And here I thought you were Batman!"Important Details:1. 1st (and likely only) appearance of Bruce's cousin, Jane, and her infant son. For her sake, I hope Jane is from Bruce's mother's side of the family and was not born "Jane Wayne". "The Caveman Batman" Script: Edmond Hamilton Pencils: Dick Sprang Inks: Charles Paris Colors: ? Letters: Pat Gordon Grade: C A bit surprising to see this one credited to Hamilton, as both Professor Carter Nichols timetravel stories AND stories introducing a new costumed hero who is somehow connected to Batman have pretty much exclusively been the purvue of Bill Finger until now. We've had Ace the Bathound, Batboy, Batman and Robin from 1255 AD, and the Batman of the 31st Century. Rog, the Prehistoric Batman, would seem to have been right up Finger's alley (no pun intended). So, what? they didn't have bats back then, or did Hamilton just decide that would be too coincidental?For what it's worth, this marks the second time in four issues that protecting a crusty old professional's good name warrants a time-travel adventure that risks jeopardizing the entire space-time continuem. Funny how they have time travel available to them whenever they need it, and yet Batman and Robin never use it to actually prevent crime...Of course, I'm not sure anyone in this story is all that concerned with preserving the space-time continuem anyway: Beyond the fact that this far lamer story got the cover when we could have instead seen Batman dangling off of a snowy cliff amidst an avalanche or attempting to change Junior's diaper, the most disappointing aspect of this story is the inconsistency in logic it uses. The very basis for this story is the smug reminder that, contrary to popular belief, dinosaurs and prehistoric man did not exist at the same time: So how do you make popular misconceptions about science the focal point of your story and then have Batman and Robin meet prehistoric men who speak perfect English? or have the climax centered on a Tyrannasaurus Rex who gets unfrozen and then immediately comes to life? Yeah, I guess this would have to be the work of Hamilton. Somehow, I don't feel like Finger would have insulted our intelligence this much. Important Details:1. First appearance of Rog/Tigerman, the Prehistoric Batman. 2. First appearance of archeologist Dr. William Sayre, who I very much doubt we will ever see again. Minor Details:1. Why do Batman and Robin need to change into costume in the Paleolithic Era? Who's going to recognize them? Sure, I get that the reader wants to see Batman and Robin having an adventure, not Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson, but then why not have them wear their costumes into the past? This moment was entirely unnecessary in a story that is already super compressed to work in just eight pages. 2. Robin, you literally didn't even know this man existed until one panel earlier: Definitely the clunker of this issue. I do enjoy Hamilton sometimes, but Finger seems to be producing the higher quality scripts of this era.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 12:37:12 GMT -5
As a matter of fact, one might say he was losing ground as sidekick Robin no longer appeared in his solo series in Star-Spangled Comics, a monthly slot he had held for almost five years, from #65 to #130 (1947 to 1952). A monthly slot for almost five years, eh? I did not know that until now. It is good to continually learn new things about my favourite characters. I’m quite pleased to know Robin had such a run.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 2, 2022 13:43:23 GMT -5
As a matter of fact, one might say he was losing ground as sidekick Robin no longer appeared in his solo series in Star-Spangled Comics, a monthly slot he had held for almost five years, from #65 to #130 (1947 to 1952). A monthly slot for almost five years, eh? I did not know that until now. It is good to continually learn new things about my favourite characters. I’m quite pleased to know Robin had such a run. And because Batman was only an occasional guest star in the Robin solo series, Robin appeared in more stories in the Golden Age than Batman did! I’m kind of busy right now, but when I have a few moments, I’ll provide a link to the CBR article.
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